The Irony Thread

pblakeney

Are we allowed to be slightly less patriotic regarding national sport this evening?

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

This article seems to sum up the Cake Stop attitude quite well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/20/bbc-labour-share-nasty-problem-patriotism/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Quote:
The Union flag row shows the yawning gap between the public and Britain’s urban progressive elites

What is so funny about patriotism? The Union flag, God Save the Queen, the Royal family, the Armed Forces: the majority of us don’t embrace the emblems of nationhood out of overweening pride, or because we think we are better than anyone else, or we lust after an imaginary past in which Britannia Ruled The Waves. It’s just that patriotism is normal, as humdrum as crotchety March weather or a morning cup of tea.

But that is not how a metropolitan minority sees it. At the more extreme fringes of the Left, the Union Jack is a badge of imperialism and demagoguery. (In contrast with the EU flag, which they stick on their bumpers.) British history is one crime after another, and British people should be ashamed of themselves.

But even more moderate “progressives” view patriotism as something gauche to be sniggered at. Who can forget the snobbish reaction of Labour’s Emily Thornberry to seeing an English flag during a by-election trip to Rochester? And who will be able to forget the remarkable footage this week of the BBC’s Charlie Stayt and Naga Munchetty sneering at a Cabinet minister for having a Union Jack in 
his office?

Nice to know I'm considered part of the elite 😁. I guess if you've got nothing else to feel part of, working yourself up about this gives you something to belong to. It's as risible as Xi banning Winnie the Pooh.

Maybe, just maybe, you're taking a joke about a flag a bit too seriously.

Well done for taking the bait, seems like you felt the need to make a case for the defence. But don't worry, I would never consider you as 'elite'

Under no illusions on the elite front. Slightly lost as to who am I supposed to be defending, though.

briantrumpet

morstar said:

If you read my earlier post. I said I had nothing wrong with encouraging patriotism.

I took issue with enforced jingoistic flag waving.
The Tory party are engaging in fake patriotism. The flag thing is new and mandated. It is an empty gesture.

As for the BBC presenters sneering. Hardly, they giggled. I also acknowledged that was a bit surprising.

I think the thing with Jenrick is the question how far down the food chain the flag waving goes. I kind of get it with heads of state, prime ministers, whatever, but having ministers adorn their working offices with gert big ones is a bit weird.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

This article seems to sum up the Cake Stop attitude quite well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/20/bbc-labour-share-nasty-problem-patriotism/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Quote:
The Union flag row shows the yawning gap between the public and Britain’s urban progressive elites

What is so funny about patriotism? The Union flag, God Save the Queen, the Royal family, the Armed Forces: the majority of us don’t embrace the emblems of nationhood out of overweening pride, or because we think we are better than anyone else, or we lust after an imaginary past in which Britannia Ruled The Waves. It’s just that patriotism is normal, as humdrum as crotchety March weather or a morning cup of tea.

But that is not how a metropolitan minority sees it. At the more extreme fringes of the Left, the Union Jack is a badge of imperialism and demagoguery. (In contrast with the EU flag, which they stick on their bumpers.) British history is one crime after another, and British people should be ashamed of themselves.

But even more moderate “progressives” view patriotism as something gauche to be sniggered at. Who can forget the snobbish reaction of Labour’s Emily Thornberry to seeing an English flag during a by-election trip to Rochester? And who will be able to forget the remarkable footage this week of the BBC’s Charlie Stayt and Naga Munchetty sneering at a Cabinet minister for having a Union Jack in 
his office?

If you honestly think this is what most people (and in this instance, I) on cake stop believe you need better reading comprehension.

morstar

briantrumpet said:

morstar said:

If you read my earlier post. I said I had nothing wrong with encouraging patriotism.

I took issue with enforced jingoistic flag waving.
The Tory party are engaging in fake patriotism. The flag thing is new and mandated. It is an empty gesture.

As for the BBC presenters sneering. Hardly, they giggled. I also acknowledged that was a bit surprising.

I think the thing with Jenrick is the question how far down the food chain the flag waving goes. I kind of get it with heads of state, prime ministers, whatever, but having ministers adorn their working offices with gert big ones is a bit weird.

Yep, I’m most certainly not anti flag and there’s only a handful of us commented so Stevo is just doing his whole, if you’re not with us you’re against us true blue straw man nonsense.

I fully expect flags to be in staterooms, briefing rooms and pretty much any official location.

Having a whopping great flag in your office is a bit unusual.
It is also a new thing that happens to coincide with attempts to curtail dissent and control the media. I find these actions at best a bit weird, at worst, quite worrying.

My son is British forces and I have never been anti British but neither do I buy into contrived allegiance and nationalism.

nibnob21

Why is the focus on the flag and not the hilarious massive portrait of the Queen? That's definitely the funny/cringey contrived part of his office. I wouldn't have even thought twice about the flag if it hadn't have been pointed out.

kingstongraham

I have a Kingston flag in the background of all my teams meetings.

veronese68

morstar said:

briantrumpet said:

morstar said:

If you read my earlier post. I said I had nothing wrong with encouraging patriotism.

I took issue with enforced jingoistic flag waving.
The Tory party are engaging in fake patriotism. The flag thing is new and mandated. It is an empty gesture.

As for the BBC presenters sneering. Hardly, they giggled. I also acknowledged that was a bit surprising.

I think the thing with Jenrick is the question how far down the food chain the flag waving goes. I kind of get it with heads of state, prime ministers, whatever, but having ministers adorn their working offices with gert big ones is a bit weird.

...neither do I buy into contrived allegiance and nationalism.

Those are not patriotism to my mind whatever people say, it's perfectly possible to be quietly patriotic.

rick_chasey

10 years ago if you saw a politician at home with a Union Jack draped in the background you would assume they were a far right party.

I get what they’re doing but it just looks weird.

I mean, it’s fine, who cares, but that’s the gut reaction

Also, why so thin skinned about the criticism?

blazing_saddles

rick_chasey said:

10 years ago if you saw a politician at home with a Union Jack draped in the background you would assume they were a far right party.

I get what they’re doing but it just looks weird.

I mean, it’s fine, who cares, but that’s the gut reaction

Also, why so thin skinned about the criticism?

Thin skin in the cake stop?
Who would have thunk it.
Bullseye on the thread.

elbowloh

Not all politicians enjoy flag waving

https://youtu.be/_kgQF5rvpY0

rick_chasey

blazing_saddles said:

rick_chasey said:

10 years ago if you saw a politician at home with a Union Jack draped in the background you would assume they were a far right party.

I get what they’re doing but it just looks weird.

I mean, it’s fine, who cares, but that’s the gut reaction

Also, why so thin skinned about the criticism?

Thin skin in the cake stop?
Who would have thunk it.
Bullseye on the thread.

I meant more the politicians and anyone else getting upset at the very soft ribbing on tv about the topic

john80

If I walked into my bosses office on Monday to find a massive flag and a picture of the queen I would be laughing my head off. It certainly does not work at all levels.

rick_chasey

It is delicious irony that the Telegraph is calling for news presenters to be kicked off for their views

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/bbc-must-stop-employing-despise-country/

morstar

What a surprise. Conflating taking the mick out of contrived behaviour with hating the country.

We will not be criticised, we are your worthy leaders...

Cancel culture in action.

kingstongraham

rick_chasey said:

It is delicious irony that the Telegraph is calling for news presenters to be kicked off for their views

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/bbc-must-stop-employing-despise-country/

From someone who described the 2019 election as being between "coco the crown's degenerate younger brother and a man who wants to reopen auschwitz".

You'd think he could understand the concept of personal mockery.

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

It is delicious irony that the Telegraph is calling for news presenters to be kicked off for their views

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/bbc-must-stop-employing-despise-country/

From someone who described the 2019 election as being between "coco the crown's degenerate younger brother and a man who wants to reopen auschwitz".

You'd think he could understand the concept of personal mockery.

I am no fan of the DT but that is a very funny satirical summary of the last election

Stevo_666

orraloon said:

Funny how Telegraph "patriotism" doesn't extend to paying fully their UK taxes. See Barclay brothers and tax dodging.

Go on, I'm all ears....

kingstongraham

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

It is delicious irony that the Telegraph is calling for news presenters to be kicked off for their views

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/bbc-must-stop-employing-despise-country/

From someone who described the 2019 election as being between "coco the crown's degenerate younger brother and a man who wants to reopen auschwitz".

You'd think he could understand the concept of personal mockery.

I am no fan of the DT but that is a very funny satirical summary of the last election

Don't worry, it wasn't in the Telegraph. But yes, a good joke.

https://twitter.com/JamesEFoster/status/1324399480469364736?s=19

Stevo_666

elbowloh said:

Not all politicians enjoy flag waving

https://youtu.be/_kgQF5rvpY0

I think there may be a historical angle involved for that particular country....

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

This article seems to sum up the Cake Stop attitude quite well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/20/bbc-labour-share-nasty-problem-patriotism/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Quote:
The Union flag row shows the yawning gap between the public and Britain’s urban progressive elites

What is so funny about patriotism? The Union flag, God Save the Queen, the Royal family, the Armed Forces: the majority of us don’t embrace the emblems of nationhood out of overweening pride, or because we think we are better than anyone else, or we lust after an imaginary past in which Britannia Ruled The Waves. It’s just that patriotism is normal, as humdrum as crotchety March weather or a morning cup of tea.

But that is not how a metropolitan minority sees it. At the more extreme fringes of the Left, the Union Jack is a badge of imperialism and demagoguery. (In contrast with the EU flag, which they stick on their bumpers.) British history is one crime after another, and British people should be ashamed of themselves.

But even more moderate “progressives” view patriotism as something gauche to be sniggered at. Who can forget the snobbish reaction of Labour’s Emily Thornberry to seeing an English flag during a by-election trip to Rochester? And who will be able to forget the remarkable footage this week of the BBC’s Charlie Stayt and Naga Munchetty sneering at a Cabinet minister for having a Union Jack in 
his office?

If you honestly think this is what most people (and in this instance, I) on cake stop believe you need better reading comprehension.

Not sure what figures more in your post, condescension or lack of self awareness?

Judging by the replies on here I seem to have hit a raw nerve...

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

This article seems to sum up the Cake Stop attitude quite well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/20/bbc-labour-share-nasty-problem-patriotism/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Quote:
The Union flag row shows the yawning gap between the public and Britain’s urban progressive elites

What is so funny about patriotism? The Union flag, God Save the Queen, the Royal family, the Armed Forces: the majority of us don’t embrace the emblems of nationhood out of overweening pride, or because we think we are better than anyone else, or we lust after an imaginary past in which Britannia Ruled The Waves. It’s just that patriotism is normal, as humdrum as crotchety March weather or a morning cup of tea.

But that is not how a metropolitan minority sees it. At the more extreme fringes of the Left, the Union Jack is a badge of imperialism and demagoguery. (In contrast with the EU flag, which they stick on their bumpers.) British history is one crime after another, and British people should be ashamed of themselves.

But even more moderate “progressives” view patriotism as something gauche to be sniggered at. Who can forget the snobbish reaction of Labour’s Emily Thornberry to seeing an English flag during a by-election trip to Rochester? And who will be able to forget the remarkable footage this week of the BBC’s Charlie Stayt and Naga Munchetty sneering at a Cabinet minister for having a Union Jack in 
his office?

Nice to know I'm considered part of the elite 😁. I guess if you've got nothing else to feel part of, working yourself up about this gives you something to belong to. It's as risible as Xi banning Winnie the Pooh.

Maybe, just maybe, you're taking a joke about a flag a bit too seriously.

I'm not the one taking it seriously judging by the responses

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

elbowloh said:

Not all politicians enjoy flag waving

https://youtu.be/_kgQF5rvpY0

I think there may be a historical angle involved for that particular country....

True enough, although they were just the most recent attempt to rule Europe. I would guess that now that WW2 is almost out of living memory that idea will fade.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

elbowloh said:

Not all politicians enjoy flag waving

https://youtu.be/_kgQF5rvpY0

I think there may be a historical angle involved for that particular country....

True enough, although they were just the most recent attempt to rule Europe. I would guess that now that WW2 is almost out of living memory that idea will fade.

Almost out of living memory. It's clearly still a sensitive point for them though.

rjsterry

For some. Far from all, though.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

For some. Far from all, though.

True. It was clearly sensitive for Merkel in that video above.

tailwindhome

The Ulsterisation of UK politics still going well I see.

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

bait

Yup

Pross

Protestors holding a protest against the banning of protests (and rioting in the process to help gain support for the "ban").

rick_chasey

Pross said:

Protestors holding a protest against the banning of protests (and rioting in the process to help gain support for the "ban").

It’s not inconceivable that the new laws creates a cycle of reasonable protest > banned by police with new powers > protest happens anyway > police intervene > kicks off > new laws restricted protests further > protests happen anyway > police intervene > kicks off

The thing is if you want to go have a fight with the police and cause trouble, things just got a lot easier.