The Irony Thread
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A more obvious cycles is police stand back > things get out of control > police get heavy handed > people whine > police stand back and let it happenrick_chasey said:
It’s not inconceivable that the new laws creates a cycle of reasonable protest > banned by police with new powers > protest happens anyway > police intervene > kicks off > new laws restricted protests further > protests happen anyway > police intervene > kicks offPross said:Protestors holding a protest against the banning of protests (and rioting in the process to help gain support for the "ban").
The thing is if you want to go have a fight with the police and cause trouble, things just got a lot easier.1 -
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Why would you not have respect for policemen?
They aren't the scumbags you think they are - certainly not like recruiters, anyway
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Never investigated any of my bike thefts, when I was out with my black mate he *always* got stopped, when I used to go through security with an Iranian colleague he would, without fail, be stopped for a 'random' search - to the point where we would go ahead and cheer when he got stopped.shirley_basso said:Why would you not have respect for policemen?
They aren't the scumbags you think they are - certainly not like recruiters, anyway
One kid in my class who became a policeman was an absolute reprobate and i would not trust him with much.
I'm sure there are very sensible police out there, but they spend too much time covering for their appalling colleagues.0 -
Just like there general populace, there will be some a-holes in the ranks. I've certainly know of friends/colleagues who have had dodgy experiences with police.shirley_basso said:Why would you not have respect for policemen?
They aren't the scumbags you think they are - certainly not like recruiters, anyway
I've been stopped and searched twice, but have to say I didn't really have complaints, in that both times were following terrorist attacks where police had to show a visible presence and were in train stations when I was carrying backpacks.0 -
when it comes to riots the gloves should come off and they should be given free reign. if somebody wants to chuck missiles then they can accept being bitten, kicked or coshed.rick_chasey said:You have a lot more respect for policemen than I do, clearly.
I have been in a few riots and frankly it is the only language these people understand
Oh and I am swarthy enough that I used to get profiled at airports when with the missus, never on my own. I am OK with that and they were always very polite when they told me it was random1 -
I actually think the police do a good job of recruiting to limit the number of lunatics that get a job. They spend the bulk of their day speaking or arresting lunatics which must affect your view of the world. I am surprised they have such restraint when you watch an episode of 24 hours in police custody. You average middle classes professional would last ten minutes in a riot situation in their shoes. By all means call out corruption but in my view many other government functions have bigger problems.0
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Totally agree, there are not many of us for whom a bad day at work could mean hospitalisation or going home in a pine box.john80 said:I actually think the police do a good job of recruiting to limit the number of lunatics that get a job. They spend the bulk of their day speaking or arresting lunatics which must affect your view of the world. I am surprised they have such restraint when you watch an episode of 24 hours in police custody. You average middle classes professional would last ten minutes in a riot situation in their shoes. By all means call out corruption but in my view many other government functions have bigger problems.
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Keyboard warriors telling people to toughen up.0
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Seriously? You think all cops are bent because they don't care about your stolen bike?rick_chasey said:
Never investigated any of my bike thefts, when I was out with my black mate he *always* got stopped, when I used to go through security with an Iranian colleague he would, without fail, be stopped for a 'random' search - to the point where we would go ahead and cheer when he got stopped.shirley_basso said:Why would you not have respect for policemen?
They aren't the scumbags you think they are - certainly not like recruiters, anyway
One kid in my class who became a policeman was an absolute reprobate and i would not trust him with much.
I'm sure there are very sensible police out there, but they spend too much time covering for their appalling colleagues.
That's a resource issue
Being a racist isn't exclusive to the police force.0 -
True. They simply give you an incident number so you can claim on your insurance and move on. Bigger fish...shirley_basso said:
Seriously? Who gives a sh!t about bike thefts.rick_chasey said:
Never investigated any of my bike thefts, when I was out with my black mate he *always* got stopped, when I used to go through security with an Iranian colleague he would, without fail, be stopped for a 'random' search - to the point where we would go ahead and cheer when he got stopped.shirley_basso said:Why would you not have respect for policemen?
They aren't the scumbags you think they are - certainly not like recruiters, anyway
One kid in my class who became a policeman was an absolute reprobate and i would not trust him with much.
I'm sure there are very sensible police out there, but they spend too much time covering for their appalling colleagues.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I don't think they're bent, particularly, I think there's a lot of room for improvement, and I do think they're quite preoccupied with covering their own arse rather than improving.
I don't have any particular solutions, but your experience of the police is too dependent on who you are dealing with, and with my huge sample of knowing one person who went into it as a career, I certainly wouldn't trust him.
I imagine it's a rubbish job for the most part - i mean, who would voluntarily sign up to spend your days and nights dealing with criminals?
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Lorry drivers now getting arrested for smuggling migrants out of the UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-565069540 -
Culturally, the biggest problem for the police is that you do need a pair (figuratively) to do the job which lends itself to a sub-set of society. That has been reinforced by recruiting to an even narrower stereotype for a long time.
Operationally, they’re screwed with underfunding, an ever widening brief of responsibility and ever narrowing operating parameters.
Like teaching, a thankless task as being good at your job isn’t enough in its own right.0 -
That's reinforcing the (probably unfair) view I have that you have a pretty narrow perspective on life and that you probably only hang around with like minded people!rick_chasey said:I don't think they're bent, particularly, I think there's a lot of room for improvement, and I do think they're quite preoccupied with covering their own censored rather than improving.
I don't have any particular solutions, but your experience of the police is too dependent on who you are dealing with, and with my huge sample of knowing one person who went into it as a career, I certainly wouldn't trust him.
I imagine it's a rubbish job for the most part - i mean, who would voluntarily sign up to spend your days and nights dealing with criminals?
I know numerous current or ex-police officers. Two of my best friends from school joined - one joined in his mid 20s and is now a Chief Inspector and the other joined a few years ago in his mid 40s after working as an IT consultant (he was one intake in front of my daughter's best friend!). I know someone else who has just started his training in his mid 30s having been a bus driver. I applied when I was about 20 but failed the eyesight standards that were in place at the time. I actually know more people who have been in the SAS than you know who became police officers which seems odd.
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I can come up with four, for one it was all she ever wanted to do but could not cope with the violence and left after a year, another couldn't cope with the complaints and threat of prosecution and left after several yearsPross said:
That's reinforcing the (probably unfair) view I have that you have a pretty narrow perspective on life and that you probably only hang around with like minded people!rick_chasey said:I don't think they're bent, particularly, I think there's a lot of room for improvement, and I do think they're quite preoccupied with covering their own censored rather than improving.
I don't have any particular solutions, but your experience of the police is too dependent on who you are dealing with, and with my huge sample of knowing one person who went into it as a career, I certainly wouldn't trust him.
I imagine it's a rubbish job for the most part - i mean, who would voluntarily sign up to spend your days and nights dealing with criminals?
I know numerous current or ex-police officers. Two of my best friends from school joined - one joined in his mid 20s and is now a Chief Inspector and the other joined a few years ago in his mid 40s after working as an IT consultant (he was one intake in front of my daughter's best friend!). I know someone else who has just started his training in his mid 30s having been a bus driver. I applied when I was about 20 but failed the eyesight standards that were in place at the time. I actually know more people who have been in the SAS than you know who became police officers which seems odd.0 -
People who want to improve society for all?rick_chasey said:
I imagine it's a rubbish job for the most part - i mean, who would voluntarily sign up to spend your days and nights dealing with criminals?1 -
My nextdoor neighbour is a policeman. Nice guy, but he did have a bonfire the other day and got ash on my cars. Don't think he's killed any black people though.2
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I think I'm friends with the same number of volcanologists as serving policemen (two).0
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I read a while ago about how good or bad your local police force is on various metrics including trust and I think I’ve lived in the bottom two areas - south Cambs and South Yorkshire.
Is quite old so maybe it’s moved on but I guess that’s some more context.0 -
what do you think he was burning?nibnob21 said:My nextdoor neighbour is a policeman. Nice guy, but he did have a bonfire the other day and got ash on my cars. Don't think he's killed any black people though.
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Hope he wasn't German.
They take a dim view of such things.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-526748090 -
Obsessedballysmate said:Hope he wasn't German.
They take a dim view of such things.
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Is this in the irony thread because Bally was such a staunch defender of a bill that massively reduces the ability to protest? 🤪0
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It's actually an equality bill, as it makes the burning of any foreign flag equivalent of burning the German flag. The writer of the article focussed on the EU flag.0
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I imagine his angry typing did not get beyond “Germans burning EU flag” and then in the haste to post forgot to read the articleelbowloh said:It's actually an equality bill, as it makes the burning of any foreign flag equivalent of burning the German flag. The writer of the article focussed on the EU flag.
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Of course I read the article, that's why I emphasised it being a German law and not anything to do with whichever flag is burnt.
But mea culpa, I posted a light hearted response to a post about burning flags, forgetting the first rule of CS. ie Don't post anything that may be construed as pro Brexit or god forbid, anti EU.
Reminds me, still enjoying the Brexit bonus, otherwise known as the covid jab roll out?
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rick_chasey said:
Is this in the irony thread because Bally was such a staunch defender of a bill that massively reduces the ability to protest? 🤪
Fully support your right to march up and down waving your placard saying all coppers are bstards because they didn't get your bike back.
Don't think you have the right to disrupt everyone else disproportionately though.
But hey ho.
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That the communist Chinese understand the problem with monopolies better than the West.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56701765
It's commonly recognised that Apple practices are stifling app development.0
