Orange Hate

Northwind

You can tell because he's only your brother, not also your cousin and your brother-in-law.

Kowalski675

lawman

Kowalski675 wrote:

lawman wrote:

Tbh it's astonishing Triumph do so well when they're based so close to Atherstone and Bedworth! The majority of people around there seem to have lost the ability to mate with somebody other than a family relative and find it incredibly difficult to count to potato!

My brother lives in Bedworth, but he's not a native.

Why the fark would you live there by choice?! Surely his hometown can't be any worse?! It's often said the best part of that area of the midlands is the A444, so you can get the fark out of there!!

Kowalski675

lawman wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

lawman wrote:

Tbh it's astonishing Triumph do so well when they're based so close to Atherstone and Bedworth! The majority of people around there seem to have lost the ability to mate with somebody other than a family relative and find it incredibly difficult to count to potato!

My brother lives in Bedworth, but he's not a native.

Why the fark would you live there by choice?! Surely his hometown can't be any worse?! It's often said the best part of that area of the midlands is the A444, so you can get the fark out of there!!

Work took him to the midlands (environment agency) and Coleshill was too expensive.

adamfo

ej2320 wrote:

The only British bike related thing I'll buy are Hope

http://www.renthalcycling.com/File/about.aspx


Good enough for
http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes ... al-29.html

Northwind

Renthal pushbike bars aren't made in the UK though apparently. Chainrings and stems are. Don't know about the grips.

Works Components are another good UK company.

Kowalski675

And me. Got a few Rent

adamfo wrote:

ej2320 wrote:

The only British bike related thing I'll buy are Hope

http://www.renthalcycling.com/File/about.aspx


Good enough for
http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes ... al-29.html

And me. Got a few Renthal bars and sprockets.

lawman

Very little is actually made in the UK anymore. A lot of stuff is assembled, but the parts all come from overseas.

ej2320

adamfo wrote:

ej2320 wrote:

The only British bike related thing I'll buy are Hope

http://www.renthalcycling.com/File/about.aspx


Good enough for
http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes ... al-29.html

I just said I wouldn't.. I'd rather buy a Superstar Bar for £30

lawman

I'd rather have Easton bars tbh!

adamfo

lawman wrote:

Very little is actually made in the UK anymore. A lot of stuff is assembled, but the parts all come from overseas.

There are thousands of UK based companies beavering away making things. Just a couple of examples in the automotive gearbox and engine sector

http://www.xtrac.com/

http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/News--Medi ... ear-Award/

http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/News--Medi ... m-Bugatti/

According to Ford a third of their global engine production takes place in the UK

http://www.ford.co.uk/FordFleet/NewsAnd ... Celebrates

stubs

lawman wrote:

I'd rather have Easton bars tbh!

Me too all my bikes have had Easton bars and stems for years. Not the cheapest, lightest or blingest but I have never bust one.

Kowalski675

adamfo wrote:

lawman wrote:

Very little is actually made in the UK anymore. A lot of stuff is assembled, but the parts all come from overseas.

There are thousands of UK based companies beavering away making things. Just a couple of examples in the automotive gearbox and engine sector

http://www.xtrac.com/

http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/News--Medi ... ear-Award/

http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/News--Medi ... m-Bugatti/

According to Ford a third of their global engine production takes place in the UK

http://www.ford.co.uk/FordFleet/NewsAnd ... Celebrates

Britain is the world leader in motorsport engineering. The F1 teams aren't all based here for the weather, lol.

BigAl

Kowalski675 wrote:

adamfo wrote:

lawman wrote:

Very little is actually made in the UK anymore. A lot of stuff is assembled, but the parts all come from overseas.

There are thousands of UK based companies beavering away making things. Just a couple of examples in the automotive gearbox and engine sector

http://www.xtrac.com/

http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/News--Medi ... ear-Award/

http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/News--Medi ... m-Bugatti/

According to Ford a third of their global engine production takes place in the UK

http://www.ford.co.uk/FordFleet/NewsAnd ... Celebrates

Britain is the world leader in motorsport engineering. The F1 teams aren't all based here for the weather, lol.

Quite so. Defence and aerospace (my field) too. Great UK companies producing cutting edge products.

Then there's Orange. Simple (though honest) products but at a 'cutting edge' price.

Kowalski675

Orange's bikes are cutting edge too. Unfortunately it's the kind of cutting edge Time Team find when they dig up an iron age knife...

adamfo

Northwind wrote:

Renthal pushbike bars aren't made in the UK though apparently. Chainrings and stems are. Don't know about the grips.

OK, here's another company churning out sprockets and exporting most of their production.
Not bicycle parts but MX ones ! They are next door to Westland helicopters in Yeovil.

http://www.talon-eng.co.uk/

Orange don't export much. The reason is obvious, however some 36,000 UK companies do and are registered as such.

Northwind

Loads of people say Britain doesn't make anything, actually we make more today than at any time in history (well- a wee slump because of the recession, we peaked momentarily in 2010). 7th or 8th biggest manufacturer in the world despite being only 22nd by population and 80th by size. Not too shabby.

Kowalski675

adamfo wrote:

Northwind wrote:

Renthal pushbike bars aren't made in the UK though apparently. Chainrings and stems are. Don't know about the grips.

OK, here's another company churning out sprockets and exporting most of their production.
Not bicycle parts but MX ones ! They are next door to Westland helicopters in Yeovil.

http://www.talon-eng.co.uk/

Orange don't export much. The reason is obvious, however some 36,000 UK companies do and are registered as such.

Talon don't just make sprockets. Lovely wheels too.

rockmonkeysc

Britain is very good at making cutting edge and very high quality products. We have some of the best engineers in the world (USA could do better if they could understand the metric system).
What we aren't so good at is churning out cheap but good products.
Britain does very well in aerospace, motorsport, instrumentation and bespoke machinary.

YIMan

benpinnick wrote:

Recycling money within the uk is all well and good, better than sending it overseas, but the real benefit to the UK is to build, or own the brand that builds things that get sold overseas - and you can't do that with overpriced products, irrespective of the quality or otherwise.

So you're retracting your statement that a sticker saying made in Britain is a bad thing?

YIMan

ej2320 wrote:

YIMan wrote:

ej2320 wrote:

YIMan wrote:

benpinnick wrote:

YIMan wrote:

lawman wrote:

I think it's definitely the price factor. A five with frame with a Fox CTD shock is £1599, comes with a 3 year frame warranty and 5 years on the bearings. A Santa Cruz Heckler with the same shock costs £250 less at £1349, comes with a % year frame warranty and lifetime bearing & discounted crash replacement warranty. Both have similar amounts of travel, both have 650b wheels, both weigh about the same, have similar geometry. So as far as I can see your extra £250 gets you a sticker that says 'Made in Britain', which as has been discussed could be seen as bad thing. When you look at it that way, I'd say you'd be mad to go for the Five, and that's before the arguments over noise, looks and the state of the welds come into play.

And the prize for the most economically ignorant post of the week goes to.....

Please elaborate for us all....

The fact that you even ask says it all. Keep buying those Taiwanese/American goods.....

It's more affordable and better made abroad, so why should I buy British?
I buy the cheapest and competition drives the price down, if British was cheaper I'd buy it. But it isn't, so I won't

Yep, point proved again.

The only point proved here is you have a very small understanding of economics and market economy
The consumer buys the cheapest and competition drives the price down. Providing the goods are of the expected standard I'll buy the cheapest, I don't care where it's made.. If British make bikes were of a good standard and cheaper than the rest I'd buy them, but they're not (With the exception of Saracen maybe, but then again I doubt they're made in Britain).

Point proven a third time.

The uneducated consumer buys the cheapest regardless of what sweatshop it may be made in.

welshkev

why haven't I read this thread before? keep it up guys, this'll keep me entertained in work

YIMan

welshkev wrote:

why haven't I read this thread before? keep it up guys, this'll keep me entertained in work

Have a search...there's plenty of old ones exactly like it.

Northwind

YIMan wrote:

The uneducated consumer buys the cheapest regardless of what sweatshop it may be made in.

Obviously the educated consumer buys expensive, inferior products with poor customer service and short warranties because it was made in their country?

kammybear

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Britain is very good at making cutting edge and very high quality products. We have some of the best engineers in the world (USA could do better if they could understand the metric system).
What we aren't so good at is churning out cheap but good products.
Britain does very well in aerospace, motorsport, instrumentation and bespoke machinary.

I think it's clear we have the ability to produce the best in the world but at a very high cost.

We have the skills, it's just not worth the cost at a mass produced price.

The Chinese can only dream of producing luxury cars to our standards...!

rockmonkeysc

I saw something which really surprised me today.
At work we buy castings from Japan by the container load. It costs quite a lot more to transport the container from Portsmouth to Bristol than it costs to ship it from Japan to Portsmouth!
I always thought that carrying several tonnes across several thousand miles, over three weeks would cost thousands but it's a fraction of the cost I expected.

YIMan

Northwind wrote:

YIMan wrote:

The uneducated consumer buys the cheapest regardless of what sweatshop it may be made in.

Obviously the educated consumer buys expensive, inferior products with poor customer service and short warranties because it was made in their country?

Your words, not mine.

Buying the cheapest just because it's the cheapest is remarkably short-sighted. It applies to everything, not just bikes. People go for the cheapest at the time and then wonder why after a few years they have no local shops and whenever they ring up their energy/tv/phone supplier they speak to someone in India.

People need to wake up and smell the roses and realise that short term gain behaviour can lead to long term loss.

Slating a successful British company on the Internet with made up parochial tales of woe says more about the people chucking the stones than it does about Orange as a bike/brand/company/owners club.

YIMan

kammybear wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Britain is very good at making cutting edge and very high quality products. We have some of the best engineers in the world (USA could do better if they could understand the metric system).
What we aren't so good at is churning out cheap but good products.
Britain does very well in aerospace, motorsport, instrumentation and bespoke machinary.

I think it's clear we have the ability to produce the best in the world but at a very high cost.

We have the skills, it's just not worth the cost at a mass produced price.

The Chinese can only dream of producing luxury cars to our standards...!

We are losing the skills in some areas. Why do you think we have to buy Nuclear power plants off the French and trains off the Germans?

In the long term there will be nowhere with cheap labour to force down the price of manufacture any more, but we will have spent so long buying cheaper-from-elsewhere that we'll be held over a barrel.

benpinnick

YIMan wrote:

benpinnick wrote:

Recycling money within the uk is all well and good, better than sending it overseas, but the real benefit to the UK is to build, or own the brand that builds things that get sold overseas - and you can't do that with overpriced products, irrespective of the quality or otherwise.

So you're retracting your statement that a sticker saying made in Britain is a bad thing?

Err, no. Because I didn't say that.

benpinnick

YIMan wrote:

ej2320 wrote:

YIMan wrote:

ej2320 wrote:

YIMan wrote:

benpinnick wrote:

YIMan wrote:

lawman wrote:

I think it's definitely the price factor. A five with frame with a Fox CTD shock is £1599, comes with a 3 year frame warranty and 5 years on the bearings. A Santa Cruz Heckler with the same shock costs £250 less at £1349, comes with a % year frame warranty and lifetime bearing & discounted crash replacement warranty. Both have similar amounts of travel, both have 650b wheels, both weigh about the same, have similar geometry. So as far as I can see your extra £250 gets you a sticker that says 'Made in Britain', which as has been discussed could be seen as bad thing. When you look at it that way, I'd say you'd be mad to go for the Five, and that's before the arguments over noise, looks and the state of the welds come into play.

And the prize for the most economically ignorant post of the week goes to.....

Please elaborate for us all....

The fact that you even ask says it all. Keep buying those Taiwanese/American goods.....

It's more affordable and better made abroad, so why should I buy British?
I buy the cheapest and competition drives the price down, if British was cheaper I'd buy it. But it isn't, so I won't

Yep, point proved again.

The only point proved here is you have a very small understanding of economics and market economy
The consumer buys the cheapest and competition drives the price down. Providing the goods are of the expected standard I'll buy the cheapest, I don't care where it's made.. If British make bikes were of a good standard and cheaper than the rest I'd buy them, but they're not (With the exception of Saracen maybe, but then again I doubt they're made in Britain).

Point proven a third time.

The uneducated consumer buys the cheapest regardless of what sweatshop it may be made in.

Who is making bikes in a sweatshop? Have you ever seen a bike factory or dealt with one? Most bikes are made in taiwan by skilled workers earning good money for what they do. Their factories are well organised, professional and more to the point not sweatshops. The only point your proving here is that the uneducated person (you) buys things for all the wrong reasons.