Orange Hate

benpinnick

mike hunts alpine wrote:

For being over priced I'd have to disagree, they are hand built in the UK(not all the models I know :roll: ) real r&d in the UK quality materials and they are built to last. Building things in this country is a lot more expensive than asia minimum wage proper guidelines, tools safe working environment etc. But its supporting our economy Providing fair paid jobs in our country not outsourcing to maximise profits, with unfair wages in some sweatshop like environment. More focussed on mass production mediocre bikes in a lot I of cases to shift numbers. On bikes that aren't built to there highest potential.
So if you take into consideration that UK built means less profit margin, outsourcing= huge profit margin.
who's really being taken for a ride?

Pretty much everything you wrote here is wrong.

poah

mike hunts alpine wrote:

For being over priced I'd have to disagree, they are hand built in the UK(not all the models I know :roll: ) real r&d in the UK quality materials and they are built to last. Building things in this country is a lot more expensive than asia minimum wage proper guidelines, tools safe working environment etc. But its supporting our economy Providing fair paid jobs in our country not outsourcing to maximise profits, with unfair wages in some sweatshop like environment. More focussed on mass production mediocre bikes in a lot I of cases to shift numbers. On bikes that aren't built to there highest potential.
So if you take into consideration that UK built means less profit margin, outsourcing= huge profit margin.
who's really being taken for a ride?

uk built don't = good quality

expensive is expensive

Kowalski675

POAH wrote:

uk built don't = good quality

Austin Allegro, anyone?

mike hunts alpine

:roll: never fucking mind.

rockmonkeysc

Kowalski675 wrote:

POAH wrote:

uk built don't = good quality

Austin Allegro, anyone?

Allegro was a quality vehicle and ahead of it's time. Name one other vehicle with a square steering wheel :P

I have seen the Orange factory in various video's. The machinery they use is the same kit I used as an apprentice nearly 20 years ago and it was all out dated and crap then! The reason Orange bikes are expensive to build is that they are using out dated, inefficient production techniques rather than investing in modern machinery.
As for the comment above about better quality materials in the UK that is complete horse sh1t. The aluminium stocks in the UK come from the far east so it's the same material the far eastern factories. The quality of frames in general is far better from the far east. Compare the welding on a Cannondale or Giant to an Orange. I can lay turds neater than their welds.
There are reasons why UK manufacturing is more expensive than in the far east. Wages are only a small factor.

Kowalski675

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

POAH wrote:

uk built don't = good quality

Austin Allegro, anyone?

Allegro was a quality vehicle and ahead of it's time.

Are you drunk?

stubs

Kowalski675 wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

POAH wrote:

uk built don't = good quality

Austin Allegro, anyone?

Allegro was a quality vehicle and ahead of it's time.

Are you drunk?

Actually the Allegro was potentialy a very good car and very advanced for its time. Unfortunately it was built by BL who built cars in much the same way Orange build bikes.

rockmonkeysc

Kowalski675 wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

POAH wrote:

uk built don't = good quality

Austin Allegro, anyone?

Allegro was a quality vehicle and ahead of it's time.

Are you drunk?

Not yet.
The Allegro did have a square steering wheel though.

Dick Scruttock

We have a Orange owner in the house

Kowalski675

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

POAH wrote:

uk built don't = good quality

Austin Allegro, anyone?

Allegro was a quality vehicle and ahead of it's time.

Are you drunk?

Not yet.
The Allegro did have a square steering wheel though.

And was more aerodynamic when travelling backwards than it was when travelling forwards, lol. It represents everything that was the utter horror of the British car industry. You could keep goldfish in the glovebox when it rained though, lol, which was a pretty novel design feature.

cooldad

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

POAH wrote:

uk built don't = good quality

Austin Allegro, anyone?

Allegro was a quality vehicle and ahead of it's time.

Are you drunk?

Not yet.
The Allegro did have a square steering wheel though.

It wasn't square, it was 'Quartic', whatever the fark that means.

Kowalski675

cooldad wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Kowalski675 wrote:

POAH wrote:

uk built don't = good quality

Austin Allegro, anyone?

Allegro was a quality vehicle and ahead of it's time.

Are you drunk?

Not yet.
The Allegro did have a square steering wheel though.

It wasn't square, it was 'Quartic', whatever the fark that means.

Half way between circular and square, by the look of it, lol. Christ, thank f**k car interiors aren't this horrific anymore. It looks like something from communist Russia in the 1960s:



Thank god the Japanese killed of the British industry, lol.

supersonic

I think that Guy bloke summed them up perfectly 'they are what they are'.

And the stereotypical owners and haters will always turn up in these thread!

Angus Young

I learnt to drive in one of those. Splendid car.

supersonic

Until the suspension collapsed ;-).

The Allegro, not the Orange...

Northwind

mike hunts alpine wrote:

real r&d in the UK

Ehhhhh bollocks. What R&D have Orange done lately? Apart from spending several hours poring over taiwanese frame catalogues in order to make their road bike, anyway. They're an R&D backwater of the highest order, I don't think there's another big manufacturer that's so static. Just look at their hardtails, when the CEN testing came in Cotic went away and sweated out the details and came back with a frame that was pretty much exactly the same weight, and almost the same price. Orange threw metal at the P7 til it weighed as much as a motorbike, then increased the price.

Especially funny when you consider the route they took to production of the 322, trying 20 different options none of which was any good and pretty much all of which broke before eventually landing on a frame that is within bawhairs of the 222. R&D my arris, that's just throwing ideas at the hills and seeing what sticks, then when nothing does reverting to type.

Whatever else you can say about Orange, you can't say they're innovative.

Angus Young

supersonic wrote:

Until the suspension collapsed ;-).

Apparently the Bill couldn't tow them away because they bent in the middle if you hitched them up at the front. And that's not a joke.

Kowalski675

Angus Young wrote:

supersonic wrote:

Until the suspension collapsed ;-).

Apparently the Bill couldn't tow them away because they bent in the middle if you hitched them up at the front. And that's not a joke.

And the goldfish water spilled out of the glovebox.

mudsucker

I have looked at Orange bikes and though to myself "Wow that's a lot of money for a very average spec". That's the reason I don't have one. I could easily afford one so its not because of the price its just that I have a bit of common sense.

Thewaylander

mike hunts alpine wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

For me its more of a hate orange full sus bikes...

Why? they ride like a sack spanners and sound like it too, and charge you a premium to do this.. horrible. Last orange owner i met couldn't get over how well my bike came down the DH trails at FOD compared to his orange as he could hardly keep it tracking down the trail.

And ..... Then you woke up...

Hahaha no...

pesky_jones

supersonic wrote:

And the stereotypical owners and haters will always turn up in these thread!

Yeah, how wierd that they turn up!

If there was a thread called "GT Hate", you wouldnt make a peep, would you?

mudsucker

Lol!

Does seem a bit weird that there we don't get treads called "Specialized Hate", "Trek Hate" and "Giant Hate". Must be a reason for that right? :-)

Thewaylander

yarp,

Orange suck :P owned one sold it fast... my one mistake when i didnt test ride a bike..

pesky_jones

mudsucker wrote:

Lol!

Does seem a bit weird that there we don't get treads called "Specialized Hate", "Trek Hate" and "Giant Hate". Must be a reason for that right? :-)

haha, but if there were, would it be unreasonable to assume a fair few spesh/trek/giant owners would pipe up in defence?

The only place I've heard people b1tching about Orange is on the internet. Never heard any riders in real life have any problems with them. Must be a reason for that right?

rockmonkeysc

You don't often hear Orange owners complaining but you can hear them coming from a mile away. I can't think of any other bike which makes that amount of noise.

pesky_jones

A motorbike? I joke, I joke.

kajjal

Is this still dragging on, sensible people are out riding their bikes Orange or otherwise.

Angus Young

What's going on at the back? Looks a little 'industrial'...

rockmonkeysc

Angus Young wrote:

What's going on at the back? Looks a little 'industrial'...

I believe the word you were looking for is 'agricultural'

Angus Young

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

What's going on at the back? Looks a little 'industrial'...

I believe the word you were looking for is 'agricultural'

Yes, that too.