TDF 2013 Stage 15 - Ventoux *Spoilers*
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He kind of waved his hand as if to say "no more" then made a throat slitting gesture, quite funnyGraeme_S wrote:
I missed that, what did Millar do?Paul 8v wrote:I really hope that's not true! I also liked Millars sign off the other day when he went off the back of the breakaway, nice to see a bit of character in the peloton0 -
Ah thanks - I remember now, I saw it in an ITV4 end of show highlights reel.0
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frenchfighter wrote:Pross wrote:Cracking stage that. People attacking miles before the top and holding on. To go all Frenchie, Quintana and Froome are real racers and Froome is a True Champion. I'm starting to warm to him. Was very surprised to see Gilbert only 8 minutes down but I suppose it was just the one climb. Kennaugh's ride was heroic and no-one can accuse him of lack of effort. Been a great Tour so far.
You missed out Nieve just like everyone else seemed to!
He attacked 2.5mins or so before Quintana and managed to finish 3rd despite riding the vast majority of the climb solo.
He is also the winner of the greatest GT stage ever.
He deserved to be picked up by a great team a couple of years ago and given a higher salary although maybe he is happy with his current situation.
No doubt true, I only caught the final 10km so didn't see much of Nieve when he led as I was catching the end of the GP of Wales at my parents house which was a pretty decent end to a festival that had the worst possible start! Been a sh*tty week but the quality of racing at the Tour helped provide a respite.0 -
mike6 wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:mike6 wrote:cyclingsheep wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Froome's performance was ridiculous, and that's all I'm going to say about that.
Contador was a massive disappointment today, but I suspect the playing fields were very different for various reasons.
I'm not sure I understand this comment. I know I'm not much of a poster here but have watched the tour for more than the Sky years. On one hand you say Froome's performance was unbelievable then that Contador was below par ( I say this as an assumption from your post unless you also think Contador's own teammate is doping too) so would a fit Contador have been one and a half minutes faster but believable? Just asking.
For myself as a neutral (not British, no particular heart flutterings for any riders) I saw today's stage as a great performance. I think Movistar could possibly have played it better but that's racing.
I wouldnt bother mate. Until recently there were 2 convicted but unrepentant dopers in the first 4 on GC, and no one on here said a word about that.
Sky, for some reason, are the only team that get the "I am convinced they are dopers" slur. For no other reason than they are leading on GC.
Log on to any other thread from say, the Belgian classics and you will see no bad mouthing of teams. There was even a post, from an earlier stage, accusing Froome of cheating and deliberately finishing second. You figure.
1) Doping is more rampant in GT's and this is the biggest. That's why you see more doping talk in a Tour thread then in any other race thread. Blood vector doping works best in the GT's.
2) You shot yourself in the foot when you decided to talk about two convicted and unrepentant dopers. What do we need to discuss,we know all about them. Had either of them done what Froome did today they discussion would be less because most would say they are still at it and you wouldn't have the Brits blindly defending them with USPS "logic."
It's pretty simple if you open your eyes to everything and not just what you want to see.
Eyes wide open, thanks. I believe I saw the same stage you did? Nothing spectacular. A lot of very tired athletes, but one had to win. But it was Froome. You tell me who you would have accepted as a, in your opinion, winner?
You may think they are open, but it is clear they are not based on what you wrote and how you avoided the info I presented to you.
Who would I accept? How about someone who has not suddenly become a power in every aspect of racing, someone who is not making proven dopers look like fools, someone who is not beating people by doing seated Cav impressions multiple times. It's pretty simple...if you really open your eyes.
As I have said before, I hope I am wrong but, based on over 30 years of cycling knowledge and knowledge of other pro sports, I have to have my doubts. Only a fool or a moron looks at pro sport and says "I know that was a clean performance."0 -
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Rundfahrt wrote:mike6 wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:mike6 wrote:cyclingsheep wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Froome's performance was ridiculous, and that's all I'm going to say about that.
Contador was a massive disappointment today, but I suspect the playing fields were very different for various reasons.
I'm not sure I understand this comment. I know I'm not much of a poster here but have watched the tour for more than the Sky years. On one hand you say Froome's performance was unbelievable then that Contador was below par ( I say this as an assumption from your post unless you also think Contador's own teammate is doping too) so would a fit Contador have been one and a half minutes faster but believable? Just asking.
For myself as a neutral (not British, no particular heart flutterings for any riders) I saw today's stage as a great performance. I think Movistar could possibly have played it better but that's racing.
I wouldnt bother mate. Until recently there were 2 convicted but unrepentant dopers in the first 4 on GC, and no one on here said a word about that.
Sky, for some reason, are the only team that get the "I am convinced they are dopers" slur. For no other reason than they are leading on GC.
Log on to any other thread from say, the Belgian classics and you will see no bad mouthing of teams. There was even a post, from an earlier stage, accusing Froome of cheating and deliberately finishing second. You figure.
1) Doping is more rampant in GT's and this is the biggest. That's why you see more doping talk in a Tour thread then in any other race thread. Blood vector doping works best in the GT's.
2) You shot yourself in the foot when you decided to talk about two convicted and unrepentant dopers. What do we need to discuss,we know all about them. Had either of them done what Froome did today they discussion would be less because most would say they are still at it and you wouldn't have the Brits blindly defending them with USPS "logic."
It's pretty simple if you open your eyes to everything and not just what you want to see.
Eyes wide open, thanks. I believe I saw the same stage you did? Nothing spectacular. A lot of very tired athletes, but one had to win. But it was Froome. You tell me who you would have accepted as a, in your opinion, winner?
You may think they are open, but it is clear they are not based on what you wrote and how you avoided the info I presented to you.
Who would I accept? How about someone who has not suddenly become a power in every aspect of racing, someone who is not making proven dopers look like fools, someone who is not beating people by doing seated Cav impressions multiple times. It's pretty simple...if you really open your eyes.
As I have said before, I hope I am wrong but, based on over 30 years of cycling knowledge and knowledge of other pro sports, I have to have my doubts. Only a fool or a moron looks at pro sport and says "I know that was a clean performance."
So you've drawn the conclusion that Froome is doping, from the assumption that the other GC contenders are doping?
Could you please direct me to the evidence that shows that the other GC contenders are currently doping?0 -
Rundfahrt wrote:mike6 wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:mike6 wrote:cyclingsheep wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Froome's performance was ridiculous, and that's all I'm going to say about that.
Contador was a massive disappointment today, but I suspect the playing fields were very different for various reasons.
I'm not sure I understand this comment. I know I'm not much of a poster here but have watched the tour for more than the Sky years. On one hand you say Froome's performance was unbelievable then that Contador was below par ( I say this as an assumption from your post unless you also think Contador's own teammate is doping too) so would a fit Contador have been one and a half minutes faster but believable? Just asking.
For myself as a neutral (not British, no particular heart flutterings for any riders) I saw today's stage as a great performance. I think Movistar could possibly have played it better but that's racing.
I wouldnt bother mate. Until recently there were 2 convicted but unrepentant dopers in the first 4 on GC, and no one on here said a word about that.
Sky, for some reason, are the only team that get the "I am convinced they are dopers" slur. For no other reason than they are leading on GC.
Log on to any other thread from say, the Belgian classics and you will see no bad mouthing of teams. There was even a post, from an earlier stage, accusing Froome of cheating and deliberately finishing second. You figure.
1) Doping is more rampant in GT's and this is the biggest. That's why you see more doping talk in a Tour thread then in any other race thread. Blood vector doping works best in the GT's.
2) You shot yourself in the foot when you decided to talk about two convicted and unrepentant dopers. What do we need to discuss,we know all about them. Had either of them done what Froome did today they discussion would be less because most would say they are still at it and you wouldn't have the Brits blindly defending them with USPS "logic."
It's pretty simple if you open your eyes to everything and not just what you want to see.
Eyes wide open, thanks. I believe I saw the same stage you did? Nothing spectacular. A lot of very tired athletes, but one had to win. But it was Froome. You tell me who you would have accepted as a, in your opinion, winner?
You may think they are open, but it is clear they are not based on what you wrote and how you avoided the info I presented to you.
Who would I accept? How about someone who has not suddenly become a power in every aspect of racing, someone who is not making proven dopers look like fools, someone who is not beating people by doing seated Cav impressions multiple times. It's pretty simple...if you really open your eyes.
As I have said before, I hope I am wrong but, based on over 30 years of cycling knowledge and knowledge of other pro sports, I have to have my doubts. Only a fool or a moron looks at pro sport and says "I know that was a clean performance."
I want to see the TDF, cos love pro cycling and also believe the vast majority of them are clean. If I didnt think that I would watch another sport. I dont see the point of involvement in something if all you want to do is denigrate the athletes. With the new testing, biological passports, etc it is much more difficult to cheat. Ask Contador, he had a tiny amount of a banned substance in his body but it was picked up. Froome is making EX proven dopers struggle.
Come from nowhere???? Like finishing second in two GTs so far. He is now the right age to peak, If you open your biased eyes.(I wont stoop to personal abuse but it is obviously your bag If someone has a different opinion to you.)
So you would accept Sagan? He has come from nowhere in the last two to three years, same as Froome, only without the GT results pedigree.
Quintana? Where are your doubts concerning him???
And if we are going to play the "how long I have been following cycling" hand, not that it makes any difference, I have been riding bikes and watching racing since the lats 70s. I am a qualified athletics endurance coach with 22 years experience, so I understand athletes and how they mature and peak.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:"Hey @chrisfroome - no gifts on the Ventoux."
-Lance Armstrong
Didn't he always claim to have gifted that stage to pantani?0 -
Oh and I'm sure someone has already said this, they must have done, but froome's attack on contador looked utterly ridiculous, like watching my mate on his Fixie try to keep up on the downhills.
Looked just like that scene in the Goonies, when the big brother gets dragged along by the car whilst on the kiddy bike0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Who wants to bet that Sagan has 10 fans for every 1 that Froome has? Probably being generous there too.
More probably. Sagan is awesome.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:"Hey @chrisfroome - no gifts on the Ventoux."
-Lance Armstrong
Passing the torch on. Touching.0 -
I believe so and Pantani was pissed about it tooCrozza wrote:frenchfighter wrote:"Hey @chrisfroome - no gifts on the Ventoux."
-Lance Armstrong
Didn't he always claim to have gifted that stage to pantani?0 -
The Goonies is officially the bestest movie of all time. You remember the big brother on the kiddy bike, I remember the little girl whose bike it was. "I want my bike! I want my bike!" Memories of youth...Correlation is not causation.0
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Crozza wrote:frenchfighter wrote:"Hey @chrisfroome - no gifts on the Ventoux."
-Lance Armstrong
Didn't he always claim to have gifted that stage to pantani?
That was kind of.. the point
He got a fair bit of bollocking for it. Especially from Pantani himself. 0 -
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Above The Cows wrote:The Goonies is officially the bestest movie of all time. You remember the big brother on the kiddy bike, I remember the little girl whose bike it was. "I want my bike! I want my bike!" Memories of youth...
Err...no. 'The Shawshank Redemption' is the best movie of all time.0 -
Anybody got a link to the photos of David Millar giving his cap to Tom Simpson?http://www.snookcycling.wordpress.com - Reports on Cingles du Mont Ventoux, Alpe D'Huez, Galibier, Izoard, Tourmalet, Paris-Roubaix Sportive & Tour of Flanders Sportive, Amstel Gold Xperience, Vosges, C2C, WOTR routes....0
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I need to watch Froomes attack again I think, what a film though!Crozza wrote:0 -
cyclingsheep wrote:Damn you guys (and gals) are good. It is as well, I'm a reformed mtber for my sins
I still have a Mint Sauce sticker on the stem of my old RockHopper (now relegated to commuting duties). The sticker must be almost 20 years old...
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Agent57 wrote:cyclingsheep wrote:Damn you guys (and gals) are good. It is as well, I'm a reformed mtber for my sins
I still have a Mint Sauce sticker on the stem of my old RockHopper (now relegated to commuting duties). The sticker must be almost 20 years old...
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I still have the famous keyring0 -
Crozza wrote:
And there was me thinking this was going to link to this footage of Chris Froome's press conference earlier...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYHeZCEFwhI0 -
Froboz wrote:Above The Cows wrote:The Goonies is officially the bestest movie of all time. You remember the big brother on the kiddy bike, I remember the little girl whose bike it was. "I want my bike! I want my bike!" Memories of youth...
Err...no. 'The Shawshank Redemption' is the best movie of all time.
Rubbish. Now, if Andy Dufresne did the truffle shuffle...
The Goonies is just the tops. Especially when the Fratellis make Chunk tell them EVERYTHING.Insta: ATEnduranceCoaching
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Paul 8v wrote:
He kind of waved his hand as if to say "no more" then made a throat slitting gesture, quite funnyGraeme_S wrote:
I missed that, what did Millar do?Paul 8v wrote:I really hope that's not true! I also liked Millars sign off the other day when he went off the back of the breakaway, nice to see a bit of character in the peloton
As much as I am a fan of Millar, I have to point out that guys do this all the time these days. In one of the early stages of this Tour one of the breakaway riders smiled and waved goodbye to the camera as the catch was about to be made. He'll, watch some DVD's of Fignon quitting the Tour and you will see lovely gestures!0 -
ALIHISGREAT wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:mike6 wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:mike6 wrote:cyclingsheep wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Froome's performance was ridiculous, and that's all I'm going to say about that.
Contador was a massive disappointment today, but I suspect the playing fields were very different for various reasons.
I'm not sure I understand this comment. I know I'm not much of a poster here but have watched the tour for more than the Sky years. On one hand you say Froome's performance was unbelievable then that Contador was below par ( I say this as an assumption from your post unless you also think Contador's own teammate is doping too) so would a fit Contador have been one and a half minutes faster but believable? Just asking.
For myself as a neutral (not British, no particular heart flutterings for any riders) I saw today's stage as a great performance. I think Movistar could possibly have played it better but that's racing.
I wouldnt bother mate. Until recently there were 2 convicted but unrepentant dopers in the first 4 on GC, and no one on here said a word about that.
Sky, for some reason, are the only team that get the "I am convinced they are dopers" slur. For no other reason than they are leading on GC.
Log on to any other thread from say, the Belgian classics and you will see no bad mouthing of teams. There was even a post, from an earlier stage, accusing Froome of cheating and deliberately finishing second. You figure.
1) Doping is more rampant in GT's and this is the biggest. That's why you see more doping talk in a Tour thread then in any other race thread. Blood vector doping works best in the GT's.
2) You shot yourself in the foot when you decided to talk about two convicted and unrepentant dopers. What do we need to discuss,we know all about them. Had either of them done what Froome did today they discussion would be less because most would say they are still at it and you wouldn't have the Brits blindly defending them with USPS "logic."
It's pretty simple if you open your eyes to everything and not just what you want to see.
Eyes wide open, thanks. I believe I saw the same stage you did? Nothing spectacular. A lot of very tired athletes, but one had to win. But it was Froome. You tell me who you would have accepted as a, in your opinion, winner?
You may think they are open, but it is clear they are not based on what you wrote and how you avoided the info I presented to you.
Who would I accept? How about someone who has not suddenly become a power in every aspect of racing, someone who is not making proven dopers look like fools, someone who is not beating people by doing seated Cav impressions multiple times. It's pretty simple...if you really open your eyes.
As I have said before, I hope I am wrong but, based on over 30 years of cycling knowledge and knowledge of other pro sports, I have to have my doubts. Only a fool or a moron looks at pro sport and says "I know that was a clean performance."
So you've drawn the conclusion that Froome is doping, from the assumption that the other GC contenders are doping?
Could you please direct me to the evidence that shows that the other GC contenders are currently doping?
It's amazing how often you blind Sky defenders will read something and then completely make up what the poster actually said. Perhaps going around defending your boys on multiple forums is having a tiring affect on you. Take a rest day.0 -
Can.t believe some of the bllox posted on here.
MR why was Froome's performance unbelievable?
So he gained just over a minute on a former dope now riding clean and just over 2 minutes on a pair of cloggies, both decent riders but no top climbers, and Evans lost a packet no doubt with heavy legs from Giro, and Piti blew as h probably clean now also, so top climber attacks with 7kn to go on a climbs and makes 30s to 2mins gains. During the dopng period riders were gaining much more than that, remember AC and Rassmusson going hammer and tongs up climbs attacking each other while riding away from meveryone else?
Runfahrt is just trolling. ("I been in cycling for so long I know when some one is doping" )
As for Froomes "Uglky" attack, wtf is that about. What do you expect, you want hin to comb his hair add some makeup and look glam?
This forum is getting worse, negative comments about the race, commentators, riders wo attack, riders who wheel suck, you have an off button, either watch and enjoy or turn the fooking tv off.
Everyone has opinion I guess but no need to try to convince everyone.
FWIW I think the majority of the peleton is clean which is why you see teams struggling to control daily, even sky! SAxo and AC paid for their blast in the wind to gain a ninute, all of which was lost yesterday as AC blew towards the end.
Looking at 2 to 6 it is very close, it's just Froome is strongest there.
Unless he gets ill, or crashes can't see him loosing this.
With the podium places close and up for grabs, if I was DS of sky I would get them to ride club run pace at he front
If any of the GC contenders attack one of the other 3 teams would have to work to control it or loose their podium chances as their gaps are far closer thanfrom Froome to others.
Cant wait for the double claim of Alpe. Not a uge fan of Froome bu warming o him and his "ugly" style.0 -
mike6 wrote:
I want to see the TDF, cos love pro cycling and also believe the vast majority of them are clean. If I didnt think that I would watch another sport. I dont see the point of involvement in something if all you want to do is denigrate the athletes. With the new testing, biological passports, etc it is much more difficult to cheat. Ask Contador, he had a tiny amount of a banned substance in his body but it was picked up. Froome is making EX proven dopers struggle.
1) How do you know the vast majority are clean? Is it cleaner? Yes, but since you have no idea what is available to use, no idea of current methods, are not in the pro peloton and don't really know what it was totally like in the past you can't possibly say that and be serious.
2) If you really were giving up on sports that were dirty you never would have gotten into cycling and you would have no other sports to watch. Even amateurs dope in sports these day. Every sport has doping issues.
3) I don't denigrate the athletes, I question the performances. Huge difference. I watch the sport, because I love the show, I love being able to relate to the pain and suffering. While I may not be able to ride the pave as fast as Cancellara (who I have suspicions about) I can ride to my limits on them and wake up sore the next day. I may not be able to TT like Martin but I can ride to my limit with strings of spittle hanging out of my mouth and tunnel vision. I can ride a race in a peloton and fight to be near the front, use excellent skill to avoid the crash in front of me, destroy the field descending at 63 mph. It's a thing of beauty and I can do it to, at my own level. Just as I love other sports despite knowing there is doping. I love that I can play soccer in a local league and curl a free kick into the upper corner, it may not be at the old Wembley and it might not be Kahn in the net, but I can do it at my own level. As a matter of fact the fact that I am willing to question and not just accept that they are clean without question simply shows how much I love the sport.
4) It is more difficult to cheat...using the methods of the past. Just as it was more difficult to cheat in 2005 then in the 90's. Unfortunately the dopers are ahead of the game so instead of filling up on EPO they microdose, instead of EPO they went bag to real blood. It goes on and on, but there is always an advance in doping and, as has been stated by a number of ex-dopers, getting caught is more about being stupid then doping.Come from nowhere???? Like finishing second in two GTs so far. He is now the right age to peak, If you open your biased eyes.(I wont stoop to personal abuse but it is obviously your bag If someone has a different opinion to you.)
1) Second in two GT's in less then a year. It's not like we are talking about a guy who finished 75, 35, 10, 2, 2 in GT's, showing even growth. Interesting that you stuck to that and didn't touch the idea that he is now the best climber in the world, one of the best TT men and can ride the cross winds with the best (when paying attention).
2) Stoop to my personal abuse?!?! That's a laugh considering how much personal I abuse I receive and how little I have dished out. I guess when you are blindly flailing this is the easiest route to take.So you would accept Sagan? He has come from nowhere in the last two to three years, same as Froome, only without the GT results pedigree.
It's easier to accept a young rider who is very good at one day races then someone who is good at GT's. If you know about blood vector doping you would understand why this is. I think the biggest difference for me is that I have seen Sagan improve each year by increments. He wasn't just an ok rider who is suddenly the best sprinter, a great climber and TT man. He gets blown out in big mountain stages and rarely out sprints the big dogs. His forte is smaller group sprints and hilly terrain.Quintana? Where are your doubts concerning him???
I have doubts about all of the Columbians. The country does not have the financial or cycling infrastructure to be suddenly producing so many great riders who have spent most of their time in Columbia.And if we are going to play the "how long I have been following cycling" hand, not that it makes any difference, I have been riding bikes and watching racing since the lats 70s. I am a qualified athletics endurance coach with 22 years experience, so I understand athletes and how they mature and peak.
Excellent then you should be a sceptic just like I am and should understand that endurance athletes do not suddenly spring up making huge gains in short periods of time and start dominating at various distances and events. I would think, if this was true, you would be discussing this topic with me and understanding where I am coming from rather then trying to squelch all Sky doping talk.0 -
Hey oldwelshman, can you please point out where I have ever posted what you quoted me as saying?
I would also like to point out that the comments by most of us about Froome's ugly attacks are merely taking the piss about his riding style, something many people do in the cycling word. The guy looks like a daddy long legs spider humping a bike for gods sake!0
