TDF 2013 Stage 15 - Ventoux *Spoilers*
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Rundfahrt wrote:mike6 wrote:cyclingsheep wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Froome's performance was ridiculous, and that's all I'm going to say about that.
Contador was a massive disappointment today, but I suspect the playing fields were very different for various reasons.
I'm not sure I understand this comment. I know I'm not much of a poster here but have watched the tour for more than the Sky years. On one hand you say Froome's performance was unbelievable then that Contador was below par ( I say this as an assumption from your post unless you also think Contador's own teammate is doping too) so would a fit Contador have been one and a half minutes faster but believable? Just asking.
For myself as a neutral (not British, no particular heart flutterings for any riders) I saw today's stage as a great performance. I think Movistar could possibly have played it better but that's racing.
I wouldnt bother mate. Until recently there were 2 convicted but unrepentant dopers in the first 4 on GC, and no one on here said a word about that.
Sky, for some reason, are the only team that get the "I am convinced they are dopers" slur. For no other reason than they are leading on GC.
Log on to any other thread from say, the Belgian classics and you will see no bad mouthing of teams. There was even a post, from an earlier stage, accusing Froome of cheating and deliberately finishing second. You figure.
1) Doping is more rampant in GT's and this is the biggest. That's why you see more doping talk in a Tour thread then in any other race thread. Blood vector doping works best in the GT's.
2) You shot yourself in the foot when you decided to talk about two convicted and unrepentant dopers. What do we need to discuss,we know all about them. Had either of them done what Froome did today they discussion would be less because most would say they are still at it and you wouldn't have the Brits blindly defending them with USPS "logic."
It's pretty simple if you open your eyes to everything and not just what you want to see.
Eyes wide open, thanks. I believe I saw the same stage you did? Nothing spectacular. A lot of very tired athletes, but one had to win. But it was Froome. You tell me who you would have accepted as a, in your opinion, winner?0 -
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Tour de France Stage 13 -> 43 page thread
Tour de France Stage 15 -> 41 page thread
Echelons are more exciting than Mont Ventoux and dope chat then?0 -
I'm not reading all 41 pages. Has Frenchie exploded after Froome's heavyweight champion demonstration of panache to win the stage?Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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With threads like this I'm starting to be rather keen on the idea of the Tour of Poland...0
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This ^^^ddraver wrote:RoadPainter wrote:stuff to make us all jealous
POIDH!
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lostboysaint wrote:I'm not reading all 41 pages. Has Frenchie exploded after Froome's heavyweight champion demonstration of panache to win the stage?
Same boat. Missed race and BR banter. Glad I didn't start trawling through the pages to see the point of explosion if he was a no-show.
So in summary, what was best/worst bit of Ventoux stage (on BR - not race)?0 -
Take a look at the photos here. Many of them are superb. They have been highly edited in places.
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/07/chasi ... mountains/Contador is the Greatest0 -
OCDuPalais wrote:lostboysaint wrote:I'm not reading all 41 pages. Has Frenchie exploded after Froome's heavyweight champion demonstration of panache to win the stage?
Same boat. Missed race and BR banter. Glad I didn't start trawling through the pages to see the point of explosion if he was a no-show.
So in summary, what was best/worst bit of Ventoux stage (on BR - not race)?
Was a sad indictment of the PR spoiler thread today. Unfortunately one poster just cannot understand simple requests...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Pross wrote:Cracking stage that. People attacking miles before the top and holding on. To go all Frenchie, Quintana and Froome are real racers and Froome is a True Champion. I'm starting to warm to him. Was very surprised to see Gilbert only 8 minutes down but I suppose it was just the one climb. Kennaugh's ride was heroic and no-one can accuse him of lack of effort. Been a great Tour so far.
You missed out Nieve just like everyone else seemed to!
He attacked 2.5mins or so before Quintana and managed to finish 3rd despite riding the vast majority of the climb solo.
He is also the winner of the greatest GT stage ever.
He deserved to be picked up by a great team a couple of years ago and given a higher salary although maybe he is happy with his current situation.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Nieve is quite interesting. He didn't turn pro until 25 and he's been incredibly consistent in Grand Tours - he's done four of them and come 10th in all four.frenchfighter wrote:
You missed out Nieve just like everyone else seemed to!
He attacked 2.5mins or so before Quintana and managed to finish 3rd despite riding the vast majority of the climb solo.
He is also the winner of the greatest GT stage ever.
He deserved to be picked up by a great team a couple of years ago and given a higher salary although maybe he is happy with his current situation.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Nieve is quite interesting. He didn't turn pro until 25 and he's been incredibly consistent in Grand Tours - he's done four of them and come 10th in all four.frenchfighter wrote:
You missed out Nieve just like everyone else seemed to!
He attacked 2.5mins or so before Quintana and managed to finish 3rd despite riding the vast majority of the climb solo.
He is also the winner of the greatest GT stage ever.
He deserved to be picked up by a great team a couple of years ago and given a higher salary although maybe he is happy with his current situation.
Ha Ha, I noticed that on Wikipedia yesterday.
I can't quite work him out, same with Anton, there are times when they look like world beaters at times, but mostly they are invisible."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
Gee whizz there is a lot of waffle clogging this thread unrelated to racing or doping. Glad I have stopped following and contributing much to them now. You should create a thread for unrelated chat - in fact there are whole sub-sections of the forum for that.Contador is the Greatest0
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RichN95 wrote:
Nieve is quite interesting. He didn't turn pro until 25 and he's been incredibly consistent in Grand Tours - he's done four of them and come 10th in all four.frenchfighter wrote:
You missed out Nieve just like everyone else seemed to!
He attacked 2.5mins or so before Quintana and managed to finish 3rd despite riding the vast majority of the climb solo.
He is also the winner of the greatest GT stage ever.
He deserved to be picked up by a great team a couple of years ago and given a higher salary although maybe he is happy with his current situation.
Proper little racer. Fails a decent amount with his attacks but certainly not afraid to try. IMO he is better than Anton but is often in support of him.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Pross wrote:Cracking stage that. People attacking miles before the top and holding on. To go all Frenchie, Quintana and Froome are real racers and Froome is a True Champion. I'm starting to warm to him. Was very surprised to see Gilbert only 8 minutes down but I suppose it was just the one climb. Kennaugh's ride was heroic and no-one can accuse him of lack of effort. Been a great Tour so far.
You missed out Nieve just like everyone else seemed to!
He attacked 2.5mins or so before Quintana and managed to finish 3rd despite riding the vast majority of the climb solo.
He is also the winner of the greatest GT stage ever.
He deserved to be picked up by a great team a couple of years ago and given a higher salary although maybe he is happy with his current situation.
I'm reluctant to comment on Nieve since I know nothing about him.. and I will admit to having some naughty thoughts yesterday (so ashamed :oops: )
but I did notice him and was impressed by him towing Contador up the climb, then dropping him and beating Rodriguez to the podium for the day. Looks like a good rider.0 -
mididoctors wrote:Froome attacks as thou he is doing some sort of spin interval on a turbo with a relatively high cadence recovery..which I wouldn't be surprised too learn is how he trains for them.
Funnily enough this is exactly what I thought. Just the sort of thing I would do to `finish myself off`.
Pretty amazing that he can do it about 5 times against the best in the World, on a mountain with little oxygen, on a hot day, after 220km of very fast racing AND still continue to tap out a very fast past after. You don`t see that sort of recovery very often.
Kind of ridiculous that he had to try and drop Quintana like that. So pleased the Colombian just sidled back up to his wheel each time even with Froome trying to bully him.
Contador did great to hang with him but it was just too much. He was looking superb at the early part of the climb and I thought it would be his day. He was virtual second for a while and I would have been happy if he hung on to that - big shame he blew in the last km and lost 30secs. Not sure why he did no work with Nieve - maybe he was totally cooked trying to follow Froome`s ET spins. I would also like to know what he was saying - I was thinking: contract at Saxo if you help? 5k if you help? Or maybe he was just asking help from a friend...he has many of those in the peloton.
Anyone know what Froome was using the radio for all the way up the climb?Contador is the Greatest0 -
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Aside from all the other nonsense about what he is or isn't doing, this part is quite clear to me too.poppit wrote:I'm warming to Froome though, seems to be a quiet, intelligent, thoughtful guy who loves his sport, doesn't appear to be a lot of ego there.
I am warming to him.0 -
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frenchfighter wrote:Anyone know what Froome was using the radio for all the way up the climb?
My theory was that he was constantly getting updates on how far back his rivals were. He was (in my view) desperate to see how far he could get ahead of Contador. Whilst he (Contador) is not as able physically as he was during his peak years (07-11), he is still very very tactically astute, and will be in 2nd/3rd by the time the tour is over.
It seems that this year the world was looking for A Nibbles vs Froome race. That would be a close call, don’t think there is anyone quite in their class this year for GC racing. Maybe the world championship road race?0 -
philbar72 wrote:It seems that this year the world was looking for A Nibbles vs Froome race. That would be a close call, don’t think there is anyone quite in their class this year for GC racing. Maybe the world championship road race?
Interesting to ponder how Nibali would have faired in this race (assuming he didnt have a Giro in his legs). I find it hard to imagine him getting the better of Froome on these MTFs (or the flat TT) but you have to imagine he would be closer than Mollema and that Astana would have sent a stronger team with the GC as a genuine ambition which would place a fragile Sky under more pressure.0 -
philbar72 wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Anyone know what Froome was using the radio for all the way up the climb?
My theory was that he was constantly getting updates on how far back his rivals were. He was (in my view) desperate to see how far he could get ahead of Contador. Whilst he (Contador) is not as able physically as he was during his peak years (07-11), he is still very very tactically astute, and will be in 2nd/3rd by the time the tour is over.
It seems that this year the world was looking for A Nibbles vs Froome race. That would be a close call, don’t think there is anyone quite in their class this year for GC racing. Maybe the world championship road race?
As long as he was gaining/sustaining a time gap over Contador, Froome could afford to keep something in the tank for the stage win. If Contador started coming back after the Froome surge, he may have pushed more, earlier. Froome would only be human ( ) if the trauma from riding solo with Movi and Saxo on stage 9, and being thrashed in the wind on Friday, agitated the paranoia gland. ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
watched the highlights after work...but fell asleep....so this question is purely based on the cycling news ticker.
If the break had waited for Rolland to get across, how would the stage have played out?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
My theory was he had a Slayer album on, it's always the quiet ones!
He probably had it on shuffle and one of Michelles Girls Aloud albums had come on and he was fiddling with the remote to get back to Seasons in the Abyss!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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TailWindHome wrote:watched the highlights after work...but fell asleep....so this question is purely based on the cycling news ticker.
If the break had waited for Rolland to get across, how would the stage have played out?
Rolland would have won the combativity prize not Chavanel.0 -
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Wish I was watching on French tv yesterday. They were comparing Froome to Rasmussen.Contador is the Greatest0
