The Scott CR1 SL Thread

luv2ride

Nice one. I went for those bottle cages too - stealthy! The Campag is looking good on it too. Just got back from my 3rd ride out on the CR1. Seems to have improved average speed, despite having at least 4 cheeky climbs on the route. Now actively seeking out hills to do never knew they could be so much fun!

galatzo

Had mine a couple of hours now so it's time to start thinking about upgrades :oops:
Apparently the headset is quite heavy ?
Anyone weigh theirs before fitting and know of a suitable lighter alternative ?
Also need to sort a Deda seatpost to match the bars and stem (got a great Ritchey carbon one on but, well it don't match plus the EY of Ritchey is below the seatclamp and that just won't do !). Thinking of one of the Deda Zero 100 alloy posts from Ribble as only £39 versus the Superzero Carbon at £82 anyone got an actual weight for these in a 31.6 ?
Other than that I can't think of anything I can afford to upgrade at the moment, anyone need a kidney

tincaman

Having used stock Tektro brakes for the last 3 years, but with good pads, I have been pleasantly surprised at the increase in braking power of the 105 brakeset with stock pads

Gazzaputt

Galatzo wrote:

Had mine a couple of hours now so it's time to start thinking about upgrades :oops:
Apparently the headset is quite heavy ?
Anyone weigh theirs before fitting and know of a suitable lighter alternative ?
Also need to sort a Deda seatpost to match the bars and stem (got a great Ritchey carbon one on but, well it don't match plus the EY of Ritchey is below the seatclamp and that just won't do !). Thinking of one of the Deda Zero 100 alloy posts from Ribble as only £39 versus the Superzero Carbon at £82 anyone got an actual weight for these in a 31.6 ?
Other than that I can't think of anything I can afford to upgrade at the moment, anyone need a kidney

I'm swapping to Chris King headset and bottom bracket.

asprilla

Gazzaputt wrote:

Galatzo wrote:

Had mine a couple of hours now so it's time to start thinking about upgrades :oops:
Apparently the headset is quite heavy ?
Anyone weigh theirs before fitting and know of a suitable lighter alternative ?
Also need to sort a Deda seatpost to match the bars and stem (got a great Ritchey carbon one on but, well it don't match plus the EY of Ritchey is below the seatclamp and that just won't do !). Thinking of one of the Deda Zero 100 alloy posts from Ribble as only £39 versus the Superzero Carbon at £82 anyone got an actual weight for these in a 31.6 ?
Other than that I can't think of anything I can afford to upgrade at the moment, anyone need a kidney

I'm swapping to Chris King headset and bottom bracket.

I didn't know CK did an integrated headset or a push fit bb?

Gazzaputt

Asprilla wrote:

Gazzaputt wrote:

Galatzo wrote:

Had mine a couple of hours now so it's time to start thinking about upgrades :oops:
Apparently the headset is quite heavy ?
Anyone weigh theirs before fitting and know of a suitable lighter alternative ?
Also need to sort a Deda seatpost to match the bars and stem (got a great Ritchey carbon one on but, well it don't match plus the EY of Ritchey is below the seatclamp and that just won't do !). Thinking of one of the Deda Zero 100 alloy posts from Ribble as only £39 versus the Superzero Carbon at £82 anyone got an actual weight for these in a 31.6 ?
Other than that I can't think of anything I can afford to upgrade at the moment, anyone need a kidney

I'm swapping to Chris King headset and bottom bracket.

I didn't know CK did an integrated headset or a push fit bb?

http://chrisking.com/headsets/hds_inset

http://chrisking.com/PFBB

jonny_trousers

Gazzaputt wrote:

Asprilla wrote:

Gazzaputt wrote:

Galatzo wrote:

Had mine a couple of hours now so it's time to start thinking about upgrades :oops:
Apparently the headset is quite heavy ?
Anyone weigh theirs before fitting and know of a suitable lighter alternative ?
Also need to sort a Deda seatpost to match the bars and stem (got a great Ritchey carbon one on but, well it don't match plus the EY of Ritchey is below the seatclamp and that just won't do !). Thinking of one of the Deda Zero 100 alloy posts from Ribble as only £39 versus the Superzero Carbon at £82 anyone got an actual weight for these in a 31.6 ?
Other than that I can't think of anything I can afford to upgrade at the moment, anyone need a kidney

I'm swapping to Chris King headset and bottom bracket.

I didn't know CK did an integrated headset or a push fit bb?

http://chrisking.com/headsets/hds_inset

http://chrisking.com/PFBB

I'm sure it's great kit, but surely the weight difference will be the same as weather you carry 2 gels or 3?

pete54

Luv2ride wrote:

The Campag is looking good on it too.

The shifting is superb. Campag really is all it's cracked up to be and Condor did a fantastic job on the build. I only managed a few laps of Regent's Park last night, but I don't think I've managed 50 km/h on the flat before. Can't wait to take it up some hills at the weekend.

galatzo

pete54 wrote:

Luv2ride wrote:

The Campag is looking good on it too.

The shifting is superb. Campag really is all it's cracked up to be and Condor did a fantastic job on the build. I only managed a few laps of Regent's Park last night, but I don't think I've managed 50 km/h on the flat before. Can't wait to take it up some hills at the weekend.

Absolutely, mine is shifting really well after the build (it was a bit iffy before), maybe it's the new cassette and chain and to think I was considering a change of groupset. Next time you see me post about wanting Shim or Sram just remind me not too !

Gazzaputt

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

I'm sure it's great kit, but surely the weight difference will be the same as weather you carry 2 gels or 3?

Not really a weight thing just that they'll last as long as I have the bike and they run so well.

Going for pewter I think.

keef66

"Suggest the angle grinder may be overkill
Hacksaw and finish with a file...shimano chainrings are after all made mainly of cheese."

OK, cheese grater it is then!

itsnotarace

markhewitt1978 wrote:

Interesting that someone taller than me would have a XS frame when I'm on 52. tbh I guess I could have gone smaller as I don't have much seat post showing and an 80mm stem.

I usually ride a 52cm CAAD with 120mm headtube, 535mm top tube and 100mm stem so I would have gone for a 52cm if any had been left in stock, but would have had to run a -17 stem to get the bars low enough due to the extra headtube length on the Scott. The 49cm has a closer headtube length to my CAAD so have gone with 120mm -6 stem to make up for the shorter toptube. Many ways to skin a cat, basically.

Galatzo wrote:

Apparently the headset is quite heavy ?
Anyone weigh theirs before fitting and know of a suitable lighter alternative ?

The headset itself is fine at 59g but you can save weight swapping the other parts out





The expansion plug is 24g and the topcap/bolt is 11g. You could save 17g on the expander by going for an Extralite Ultrastar 2 and another 6 grams on the topcap/bolt but your headset would need to be adjusted for preload before you start and also you should be careful about not over-tightening the stem bolts, as the existing Scott compression plug helps support the inside of the carbon steerer against over-tightening.



2x 10mm spacers supplied with headset are 4.5g each


The suggested Chris King headset would be heavier than stock at 90+ grams, but should last you a lifetime.

jonny_trousers

Galatzo wrote:

pete54 wrote:

Luv2ride wrote:

The Campag is looking good on it too.

The shifting is superb. Campag really is all it's cracked up to be and Condor did a fantastic job on the build. I only managed a few laps of Regent's Park last night, but I don't think I've managed 50 km/h on the flat before. Can't wait to take it up some hills at the weekend.

Absolutely, mine is shifting really well after the build (it was a bit iffy before), maybe it's the new cassette and chain and to think I was considering a change of groupset. Next time you see me post about wanting Shim or Sram just remind me not too !

Nice looking bike, Pete!

My shifting's not quite right yet. I've dumped the chain a few times on sudden switches to the little ring and it's not totally settled at the back. I guess there's bound to be a bit of cable stretch going on (even though Campag cables are supposedly pre-stretched), but it's the excuse I need to learn how to index properly myself. I can't imagine not being able to shift multiple sprockets at a time.

jonny_trousers

tincaman wrote:

Having used stock Tektro brakes for the last 3 years, but with good pads, I have been pleasantly surprised at the increase in braking power of the 105 brakeset with stock pads

Someday treat yourself to the next notch up and you'll be in braking heaven. I've used Tektro and 105 before and although you're right: there is an upgrade, Ultegra or equivalent Campag is noticeably even better.

pete54

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

Nice looking bike, Pete!
My shifting's not quite right yet. I've dumped the chain a few times on sudden switches to the little ring and it's not totally settled at the back. I guess there's bound to be a bit of cable stretch going on (even though Campag cables are supposedly pre-stretched), but it's the excuse I need to learn how to index properly myself. I can't imagine not being able to shift multiple sprockets at a time.

It should work correctly now though, surely? Condor told me to bring it back after 200 miles or so after the cables have stretched a bit and they will re-adjust. I haven't used the small ring yet, but the rear indexing is perfect.

jonny_trousers

pete54 wrote:

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

Nice looking bike, Pete!
My shifting's not quite right yet. I've dumped the chain a few times on sudden switches to the little ring and it's not totally settled at the back. I guess there's bound to be a bit of cable stretch going on (even though Campag cables are supposedly pre-stretched), but it's the excuse I need to learn how to index properly myself. I can't imagine not being able to shift multiple sprockets at a time.

It should work correctly now though, surely? Condor told me to bring it back after 200 miles or so after the cables have stretched a bit and they will re-adjust. I haven't used the small ring yet, but the rear indexing is perfect.

I just don't think it's quite indexed right yet. There's one sprocket it struggles to settle into at the back. It's fine. I'll have a fiddle with it myself. What could possibly go wrong?

pete54

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

just don't think it's quite indexed right yet. There's one sprocket it struggles to settle into at the back. It's fine. I'll have a fiddle with it myself. What could possibly go wrong?

You had it built by your LBS, didn't you? Can't you just take it back there and get them to fix it? BTW, care to name and shame them?

galatzo

pete54 wrote:

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

just don't think it's quite indexed right yet. There's one sprocket it struggles to settle into at the back. It's fine. I'll have a fiddle with it myself. What could possibly go wrong?

??? Endless ticking, creaking, clanking that can send a man mad while out trying to enjoy a ride !

jonny_trousers

pete54 wrote:

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

just don't think it's quite indexed right yet. There's one sprocket it struggles to settle into at the back. It's fine. I'll have a fiddle with it myself. What could possibly go wrong?

You had it built by your LBS, didn't you? Can't you just take it back there and get them to fix it? BTW, care to name and shame them?

I did, but right now I have nothing but praise for them. Any time I've popped in they will stop whatever they are doing to fettle the bike any way I want. They've messed around with the indexing once for me, but the issue has returned so I suspect it is a question of everything still needing to settle (that and that, as a keen cyclist, I really ought to be able to do the indexing myself). Mine too is offering a free follow-up service and there is absolutely no charge for small tweaks any time I want them.

jonny_trousers

Galatzo wrote:

pete54 wrote:

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

just don't think it's quite indexed right yet. There's one sprocket it struggles to settle into at the back. It's fine. I'll have a fiddle with it myself. What could possibly go wrong?

??? Endless ticking, creaking, clanking that can send a man mad while out trying to enjoy a ride !

Really not that. Dumping the chain when I tried to shift front and back at the same time and one cog at the back needing an extra push to drop in. Nothing I shouldn't be able to fix myself.

Gazzaputt

Galatzo wrote:

pete54 wrote:

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

just don't think it's quite indexed right yet. There's one sprocket it struggles to settle into at the back. It's fine. I'll have a fiddle with it myself. What could possibly go wrong?

??? Endless ticking, creaking, clanking that can send a man mad while out trying to enjoy a ride !

I suffer with the cranks with a ticking drives me mad! Only out of the saddle but cranks been off and on several times now to no avail.

Also developed a clicking from the stem now to when out of the saddle arghh! Torque wrench out again tonight

galatzo

Going for first steady ride now, God I hope there's no noises....

tetm

Gazzaputt wrote:

Galatzo wrote:

pete54 wrote:

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

just don't think it's quite indexed right yet. There's one sprocket it struggles to settle into at the back. It's fine. I'll have a fiddle with it myself. What could possibly go wrong?

??? Endless ticking, creaking, clanking that can send a man mad while out trying to enjoy a ride !

I suffer with the cranks with a ticking drives me mad! Only out of the saddle but cranks been off and on several times now to no avail.

Also developed a clicking from the stem now to when out of the saddle arghh! Torque wrench out again tonight

Have you tried tightening your pedal release tension? I definitely had a broken frame/crank/BB cups/headset/QRs for weeks until fettled all of them just to find that a quarter turn of an allen key was all I needed.

itsnotarace

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

Dumping the chain when I tried to shift front and back at the same time

That is never advisable really

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

and one cog at the back needing an extra push to drop in. Nothing I shouldn't be able to fix myself.

Put it in the gear that skips and twiddle with the barrel adjuster so the mech is directly in line with the sprocket. Turning a barrel adjuster is easy, I don't know why people take it to a shop to do.

jonny_trousers

itsnotarace wrote:

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

Dumping the chain when I tried to shift front and back at the same time

That is never advisable really

Really? I'm sure I read something here that suggested it shouldn't be a problem on modern groupsets?

itsnotarace wrote:

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

and one cog at the back needing an extra push to drop in. Nothing I shouldn't be able to fix myself.

Put it in the gear that skips and twiddle with the barrel adjuster so the mech is directly in line with the sprocket. Turning a barrel adjuster is easy, I don't know why people take it to a shop to do.

Cheers! That's exactly as I thought and I'm going to give it a go this afternoon.

indyp

I agree it's not a good idea to engage front & rear shifters simultaneously.

A good tip when adjusting the barrel is to do it in small turns, a quarter at a time. Then when out on the bike you can hop off, give it a quick turn, jump back on and try again, repeating until smooth shifting.

daniel_b

indyP wrote:

I agree it's not a good idea to engage front & rear shifters simultaneously.

A good tip when adjusting the barrel is to do it in small turns, a quarter at a time. Then when out on the bike you can hop off, give it a quick turn, jump back on and try again, repeating until smooth shifting.

It's only the rear that has a barrel adjuster is that correct, as the frame does not have a threaded insert for the front one?

pete54

Daniel B wrote:

It's only the rear that has a barrel adjuster is that correct, as the frame does not have a threaded insert for the front one?

You need an in-line adjuster for the front mech.

itsnotarace

Jonny_Trousers wrote:

Really? I'm sure I read something here that suggested it shouldn't be a problem on modern groupsets?

Well there's nothing to stop you doing it, but you are much more likely to drop your chain off the front mech as the rear changes the chain angle whilst the front is shifting.

Just like hard pedalling during gear shifts - yes you can, but no, you shouldn't

indyp

Daniel B wrote:

indyP wrote:

I agree it's not a good idea to engage front & rear shifters simultaneously.

A good tip when adjusting the barrel is to do it in small turns, a quarter at a time. Then when out on the bike you can hop off, give it a quick turn, jump back on and try again, repeating until smooth shifting.

It's only the rear that has a barrel adjuster is that correct, as the frame does not have a threaded insert for the front one?

Yea you're correct it's just the rear that has a barrel adjuster. The front mech is adjusted by cable tension and by finely tuning the L/H screws. It's pretty straight forward to do though - I taught myself just by reading the Shimano instructions and then doing it.