Sagan's antics and podium girls
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Not true. It's reported quite prominently in the Flemish media. And they're certainly not more forgiving. They even found he's a serial offender: http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cn ... 130402_063 .emadden wrote:...meanwhile over in Belgium (and in particular in Oudenaarde this morning where Fabian Cancellara turned up to meet his "fan Club" at the De Ronde Museeum) nobody was really was paying much attention to this or making any song and dance. Perhaps its just a British thing with the ever powerful PC brigade?0 -
I've always thought that the whole podium girl thing is a mild embarrassment for cycling as a sport, especially as for people who don't follow cycling the majority of the images they are exposed to are probably podium presentations with the winner sandwiched between the girls. As well as objectifying women, reinforcing sexist stereotypes etc, the whole thing is just cringingly contrived and absurd, especially when the women (who have been selected for their catwalk figures) tower several inches above some tiny climber and have to stoop to kiss him. It's always a relief to watch the Tour of Qatar and see half dignified presentations more worthy of the achievement.0
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All winners should be presented by a local dignitary and all runners up snogged by Hinault0
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neeb wrote:I've always thought that the whole podium girl thing is a mild embarrassment for cycling as a sport, .
I haven't been following this discussion but are podium girls in cycling any different from cheerleaders in rugby league and football, or girls who stand next to the cars in F1?0 -
I like podium girls. Maybe in the interest of sexual equality someone should sort out podium guys for women's cycling. Or girls and men for both men's and women's cycling, if we could be so progressive! (within scope). Buff, tanned guys in thin white lycra. No chamois. Then, in this bright and happy future, we can lust over one another equally.1968, human content on bitumen.0
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No, not any different really - Formula 1 immediately occurred to me as having something very similar (maybe that's where cycling got the idea from for all I know), but everyone knows that's a huge money-fuelled media circus glorifying macho stereotypes and materialist car culture in any case.Milton50 wrote:neeb wrote:I've always thought that the whole podium girl thing is a mild embarrassment for cycling as a sport, .
I haven't been following this discussion but are podium girls in cycling any different from cheerleaders in rugby league and football, or girls who stand next to the cars in F1?
I don't follow rugby league or football, but aren't cheerleaders a recent thing in football? They are very much a U.S.culture thing. 0 -
And let's not get started on "beer wenches"neeb wrote:
No, not any different really - Formula 1 immediately occurred to me as having something very similar (maybe that's where cycling got the idea from for all I know), but everyone knows that's a huge money-fuelled media circus glorifying macho stereotypes and materialist car culture in any case.Milton50 wrote:neeb wrote:I've always thought that the whole podium girl thing is a mild embarrassment for cycling as a sport, .
I haven't been following this discussion but are podium girls in cycling any different from cheerleaders in rugby league and football, or girls who stand next to the cars in F1? I don't follow rugby league or football, but aren't cheerleaders a recent thing in football? They are very much a U.S.culture thing.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
neeb wrote:As well as objectifying women, reinforcing sexist stereotypes etc, the whole thing is just cringingly contrived and absurd, especially when the women (who have been selected for their catwalk figures) tower several inches above some tiny climber and have to stoop to kiss him.
Why shouldnt the women be taller, isnt that reinforcing a sexist stereotype?
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I actually thought of that myself as I was writing it..Cumulonimbus wrote:Why shouldnt the women be taller, isnt that reinforcing a sexist stereotype? But seriously, the problem is that they are /always/ tall, i.e. they have to conform to the unnatural stereotype of the skinny, leggy fashion model. Shorter, ampler women need not apply.. The fact that male pro cyclists are often fairly short just acts to highlight this. 0 -
There plenty of pretty women who are happy to use their looks to earn a crust. Ugly women need to get over this.0
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Love podium girls but it is also a bit juvenile and when women
on same day are not deemed worth tv,
perhaps insulting women are shown on
Tv for beauty only. Get rid of them or
give the female RVV winners media.
Get both genders from the race on
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Of course there are, if there's a market people will supply it. The point is whether cycling (and other organisations / society in general) should be creating/sustaining this market.Gazzaputt wrote:There plenty of pretty women who are happy to use their looks to earn a crust. Ugly women need to get over this.
And it's not about pretty vs. ugly either - the podium girl look represents a very narrow view of attractiveness, that whole bland ideal of physical perfection that ties in with celebrity culture and other such inanities. There are plenty of gorgeous women who wouldn't get a look in for that job because they don't fit the mold.0 -
Gazz , if podium girls trained 1200 miles aGazzaputt wrote:There plenty of pretty women who are happy to use their looks to earn a crust. Ugly women need to get over this.
month they would't look so hot...I would be ok
if the girl winners got on podium with the
male winners..no need barbies0 -
The problem is that he's a professional and has responsibilities to represent cycling in an appropriate way in public, whatever he gets up to elsewhere. Pro cyclists can't be allowed to be seen to be doing something acceptable if they pinch women's arses in an official event in public.The Mad Rapper wrote:Jesus, I cannot believe the furore this has caused. So he grabbed some fit bird's @rse - who gives a sh*t? He's a young lad and is acting his age, I really do not see the problem.
Maybe you should read the Guardian more often then instead of the Daily Mail or whatever crap you get these attitudes from.The Mad Rapper wrote:The Guardian readers need to put their dildos away and quit bitching as well, I've never read such lezzer, tree-hugging crap in my life.0 -
Dave_1 wrote:
Gazz , if podium girls trained 1200 miles aGazzaputt wrote:There plenty of pretty women who are happy to use their looks to earn a crust. Ugly women need to get over this.
month they would't look so hot...I would be ok
if the girl winners got on podium with the
male winners..no need barbies
What difference does it make? Beauty has always been associated with victory and power. So it has been, may it always be.0 -
neeb wrote:The problem is that he's a professional and has responsibilities to represent cycling in an appropriate way in public, whatever he gets up to elsewhere. Pro cyclists can't be allowed to be seen to be doing something acceptable if they pinch women's arses in an official event in public.
He does represent cycling in a professional way. Grabbing a girl's bottom doesn't even begin to constitute unprofessional in my book. It's light hearted. People getting their panties in a bunch over things like this is utterly pathetic.Maybe you should read the Guardian more often then instead of the Daily Mail or whatever crap you get these attitudes from.
Daily Mail? mod: removed0 -
Boxing also use pretty woman in a much more seductive way. Its just the way it is. If I burst my b@lls for 5 hours in the saddle, a kiss from a fit woman would be very welcomedCube Attain SL Disc
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I'd assume you must be joking if your other comments didn't suggest that you really are that effing stupid.The Mad Rapper wrote:neeb wrote:The problem is that he's a professional and has responsibilities to represent cycling in an appropriate way in public, whatever he gets up to elsewhere. Pro cyclists can't be allowed to be seen to be doing something acceptable if they pinch women's arses in an official event in public.
He does represent cycling in a professional way. Grabbing a girl's bottom doesn't even begin to constitute unprofessional in my book. It's light hearted. People getting their panties in a bunch over things like this is utterly pathetic.
:roll: I see I've hit a nerve... Don't know what your problem is but you really need to expand your horizons / get some dickhead management therapy or whatever.The Mad Rapper wrote:neeb wrote:Maybe you should read the Guardian more often then instead of the Daily Mail or whatever crap you get these attitudes from.
Daily Mail? Perhaps you should go f*ck yourself. Prick.0 -
They fit a mold because they are generally working models. And they fit a mold because clients don't want to have accomodate a range of sizes. It so much easier for them if models come a basic standard size. As do mannequins.neeb wrote:
Of course there are, if there's a market people will supply it. The point is whether cycling (and other organisations / society in general) should be creating/sustaining this market.Gazzaputt wrote:There plenty of pretty women who are happy to use their looks to earn a crust. Ugly women need to get over this.
And it's not about pretty vs. ugly either - the podium girl look represents a very narrow view of attractiveness, that whole bland ideal of physical perfection that ties in with celebrity culture and other such inanities. There are plenty of gorgeous women who wouldn't get a look in for that job because they don't fit the mold.
It's like with Star Wars and the stormtroopers. They made a load suits to fit six foot people and then hired six foot extras. They didn't make a huge load of sizes to accomodate a range of people.Twitter: @RichN950 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Dave_1 wrote:
Gazz , if podium girls trained 1200 miles aGazzaputt wrote:There plenty of pretty women who are happy to use their looks to earn a crust. Ugly women need to get over this.
month they would't look so hot...I would be ok
if the girl winners got on podium with the
male winners..no need barbies
What difference does it make? Beauty has always been associated with victory and power. So it has been, may it always be.
So ignore women racing...no need they show up to race...looking pretty
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Dave_1 wrote:So ignore women racing...no need they show up to race...looking pretty
is what matters
No offence intended Dave, but you're speaking with the wrong guy about women's racing. Female cycling doesn't interest me at all, I wouldn't be sad if it didn't exist. I understand the point you're trying to make though.0 -
neeb wrote:What f*cking age are you?? I guess by the number of posts something over 13, which is the age at which most people progress from this sort of stuff..
Grow up, FFS.
I suggest you take your own advice. Accept that your World view doesn't match mod: removed and I won't agree with you. mod: removed0 -
I am no fan of feminist women or blokeish typeThe Mad Rapper wrote:Dave_1 wrote:So ignore women racing...no need they show up to race...looking pretty
is what matters
No offence intended Dave, but you're speaking with the wrong guy about women's racing. Female cycling doesn't interest me at all, I wouldn't be sad if it didn't exist. I understand the point you're trying to make though.
women....I live in south east asia where women have a role I
understand...and I like lookers as much as the next man but do
strugglre to justify women's race ignored on tv and dolls
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The Mad Rapper wrote:neeb wrote:What f*cking age are you?? I guess by the number of posts something over 13, which is the age at which most people progress from this sort of stuff..
Grow up, FFS.
I suggest you take your own advice. Accept that your World view doesn't match reality and zip that irritating hole in your face. I don't agree with you and I won't agree with you. Now run along pumpkin.
Can this argument not be had over PM? :roll:Cube Attain SL Disc
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Dave_1 wrote:I am no fan of feminist women or blokeish type
women....I live in south east asia where women have a role I
understand...and I like lookers as much as the next man but do
strugglre to justify women's race ignored on tv and dolls
do men's podium
Its a fair point & I would love to see more female racing on TV, or just more female races as a start.
Think someone else made the point that females tend not to spend as much on cycling as males hence the bias in advertising that companies are willing to put into the female side. This has and is changing but slowly as it is a chicken Vrs egg agreement that there are not enough lower & upper level riders or teams so sponsors do not want to spend without getting the equivalent coverage and income. The flip side being that without it you'll never get female racing to the level of male racing.Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.0 -
All right guys. Everyone calm down. This thread isn't going to change anything in the world so no need to get het up.
I will remove a couple of reported posts, but keep it civil and no namd calling please.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:seanorawe wrote:Can this argument not be had over PM? :roll:
Don't be silly! Having a good argument is the exact point of the Internet
Think it was the slinging insults at strangers he was on about.0 -
