Sagan's antics and podium girls

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,791
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
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    I fear we already live in a world like that but I say more fool the people who fall for that guff. I see through it and don't let it affect my choices in any way.

    well expressing that opinion could be construed in a infinitesimal way as trying to do something about it
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Yowch. Think someone at Cannondale's had a word...

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201101264360053
  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    https://twitter.com/BIGRINGRIDING/status/318826776598028288

    hehehe

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    Good to see he's apologised though.
  • de_sisti
    de_sisti Posts: 1,283
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  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    For those defending having podiums girls, at what point would it become sexist or objectionable?

    1) Podium girls clad only in lingerie
    2) Topless podium girls
    3) Full frontal nude podium girls
    4) Nude podium girls performing sex acts on the winner

    Their only purpose is to provide a little titillation to male fans, they have no connection with cycling. The only question is how far you think they should go to provide that.

    Just put this through google translate and it comes out as

    "My wifes just caught me looking at the Podium Girls thread - help me out guys - yours sincerely ass loving No Ta Doctor" :lol:
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  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
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  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    I thought it was funny.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    Above The Cows wrote:
    jane90 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Such a big deal over nothing.

    It was even described as 'sexual assault' of someone in their workplace.

    If this is 'sexual assault' then every hen party were a waiter gets his ars* grabbed also constitutes sexual assault.
    I'm sorry, but this is just factually incorrect and good luck in a court of law if you proceed on the basis that it isn't.

    As for the argument that I've seen trotted out here a couple of times that hen parties do it so it must be OK, if you just think about what you're saying you must surely see that this argument doesn't hold water. It's a sad fact that some women perpetrate domestic violence against their male partners, but does this excuse or justify a husband beating up his wife? No, of course not. Both instances are wrong.

    +1 Jane it is sexual assault. I know of instances where people have been prosecuted and convicted of such.

    Excusing it with the usual whataboutery of 'what about the men' doesn't excuse or lessen the incident.


    OK

    Firstly I agree that Peter Sagan's behaviour was inappropriate and crass. He was in the wrong and has rightly apologised.

    I make the comparison with the behaviour of your typical hen party, not to 'excuse' the behaviour of Sagan but to try to put it into perspective and bring a sense of scale to it. Do you agree that what Sagan did was comparable to a hen party pinching the bum of a waiter? For while it was wrong, it wasn't any worse than that.

    What punishment should be doled out to Sagan. Should he be prosecuted? Fine or jail? Should he be put on a sex offenders register?

    Now would you be happy to see the hen party getting the same punishment? Or would that seem daft?
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    Message from Bob Burbank, Global General Manager, Cannondale:

    There have been a lot of conversations around Peter Sagan today. I can tell you as the General Manager of the brand that I don’t condone or tolerate this behavior for any reason with any athletes whether they are on or off the bike. I also believe that professional athletes are an extension of the brands they represent and affect people’s impression of the industry. Our brand is built on fun, passion and excitement for cycling but it also must include respect for everyone involved in the sport. It’s my expectation that all of our athletes behave accordingly. Peter understands the impact of and accepts full responsibility for his actions.
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    I sincerely hope there are no double standards from those who've posted on the podium girls thread. I'm sure someone will trawl through it to check...
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  • acidstrato
    acidstrato Posts: 945
    has there been any response by the podium girl herself "Maya"?

    I wonder if she is even bothered? is the gesture/act still as bad as some people make out if she actually enjoyed it? For example If a pretty girl pinches my arse then I feel rather chuffed,

    yet maybe she has a partner who was seething at the sight of what Sagan did

    Not saying what he did was ok but there are 2 sides to every coin and if she's that bothered she will speak up. I'd be surprised if she hasn't been hounded by press over the last 40hrs
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Reported Mayan reaction. Although since the source has been outed for selective sanctimony...
    "janeaubrey 10:25am via Web

    Maja Leye on DH.be: I thought [about slapping Sagan]. I had to stay professional. If I had responded, the incident would have been amplified"

    I'm hearing of a new wrinkle on Sky's zero harassment policy which perhaps sheds new light on the Cav/Bernie bust up. But I'll bide my time till there's a more appropriate place to post it.
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Sexual assault and outmoded ceremony debates aside, this is just another piece of evidence that Peter Sagan - outside his riding ability - has no class.

    It's all a bit too much "Hey look at me. HEY LOOK AT ME!" and he'll do anything to make sure you do look. He had his arse handed to him on a plate at the weekend and he simply couldn't bear not being the centre of attention in the aftermath.

    He needs to grow up and wind his prodigiously talented neck in.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    Shane Stokes ‏@SSbike 11h
    So has Sagan avoided the Mayan apocalypse?
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  • bdu98252
    bdu98252 Posts: 171
    In response to the waiter anology. If the hen party was hot then I would be happy to receive their attention. If they were ugly then I would definitely press for prosecution:)
  • PeteinSQ
    PeteinSQ Posts: 2,292
    Just because a woman is paid to look attractive and hand out prizes does not make her fair game for anything else. You don't get to touch her bum just because she has agreed to wear sexy clothes.

    It is a form of sexual harrasment - if there were no sexual connotations then whey didn't he just pinch Cancellara on the bum instead?

    As to the waiter being molested by a hen party - I can assure you that some waiters would find that pretty distasteful.

    Podium girls and other such work (booth babes at tech conferences for example) really are a throwback to a different era, and it is inherently sexist. You're effectively putting a woman on a pedestal as a thing rather than as a person which in my view is just a bit pathetic. I appreciate that they agree to do it, and they get paid for the work but it doesn't change the fact of what their role is, or what the watching men (including me as I'm not a saint) are thinking when we post in the podium girls section of this forum.
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  • Gazzaputt
    Gazzaputt Posts: 3,227
    Got page 2 and got bored.

    Was a peachy bum to have a sneaky pinch of though.
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    He lost out to Fabian in the race, thereby being professionally and ritually humiliated, and this was his ego-driven attempt to re-impose himself and also deflate Canc's moment of triumphal acknowledgement in the process. If it hadn't been the podium girl incident it would have been some other attention-grabbing clowning.

    The podium girl ceremony thing is a naff cliche though.
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  • BR 1979
    BR 1979 Posts: 296
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    He lost out to Fabian in the race, thereby being professionally and ritually humiliated, and this was his ego-driven attempt to re-impose himself.
    ^ LC's got it. Sagan wouldn't have done it from the top step.

    ... Actually, he might have. The man's clearly borderline sex-pest.
  • Abdoujaparov
    Abdoujaparov Posts: 642
    Reckon a few people on this thread seem to be missing the point about podium girls - the issue is around reinforcing sexist gender stereotypes rather than objectifying women in a sexual way. They are objectified, but in order to present the winner as a champion / hero (in some really old-fashioned way that is mildly insulting to women). It's not about giving blokes a hard-on.

    And on the separate point, Sagan is clearly a muppet.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    Abdoujaparov wrote:
    Reckon a few people on this thread seem to be missing the point about podium girls - the issue is around reinforcing sexist gender stereotypes rather than objectifying women in a sexual way. They are objectified, but in order to present the winner as a champion / hero (in some really old-fashioned way that is mildly insulting to women). It's not about giving blokes a hard-on.
    It seems to be that you are objectifying them as some sort of symbol rather than as people just getting on with doing a job. They do more than just hand out the prizes - they work throughout the day in a promotional capacity for the race and it's sponsors. And whether you like it or not a good looking woman gets people's attention (both male and female) and adds a bit of glamour to something that is otherwise quite drab.

    Have a look at women's magazines (eg Take a Break) - they have good looking women on the cover (who have no connection with the magazine's content). Is that sexist? The same goes for adverts aimed at women.

    Now there are some bits of podium that should be taken out (the simultaneous kisses on the cheek is a bit Benny Hill), but the girls aren't provocatively dressed and the sponsors would rather have their product subliminally linked to them than a middle aged local politician in an ill fitting polyester suit.
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  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    I like looking at podium girls.

    I am clearly a misogynist and a sexual deviant.
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  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    Can someone with better photoshop skills than me cut sagan out of the picture so I can paste him into other amusing situations?

    Many thanks.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    inkyfingers wrote:
    I like looking at podium girls.

    I am clearly a misogynist and a sexual deviant.

    Pervert. Don't forget that one.
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  • Abdoujaparov
    Abdoujaparov Posts: 642
    RichN95 wrote:
    Abdoujaparov wrote:
    Reckon a few people on this thread seem to be missing the point about podium girls - the issue is around reinforcing sexist gender stereotypes rather than objectifying women in a sexual way. They are objectified, but in order to present the winner as a champion / hero (in some really old-fashioned way that is mildly insulting to women). It's not about giving blokes a hard-on.
    It seems to be that you are objectifying them as some sort of symbol rather than as people just getting on with doing a job. They do more than just hand out the prizes - they work throughout the day in a promotional capacity for the race and it's sponsors. And whether you like it or not a good looking woman gets people's attention (both male and female) and adds a bit of glamour to something that is otherwise quite drab.

    Have a look at women's magazines (eg Take a Break) - they have good looking women on the cover (who have no connection with the magazine's content). Is that sexist? The same goes for adverts aimed at women.

    Now there are some bits of podium that should be taken out (the simultaneous kisses on the cheek is a bit Benny Hill), but the girls aren't provocatively dressed and the sponsors would rather have their product subliminally linked to them than a middle aged local politician in an ill fitting polyester suit.

    Um, the kissing is the bit that's seen by millions of people around the world and is therefore the bit that reinforces gender stereotypes. What they spend the rest of their day doing is by the by.
  • Walter White
    Walter White Posts: 238
    frenchfighter wrote:
    mididoctors, your general writing style is very odd. It is almost impossible to understand what you are saying even if I read it several times.

    Its the old chestnut of someone on the internet trying to sound very clever when in reality hes not clever.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    Interesting piece on the role of the podium girls.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... of-britain
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  • redbicycle
    redbicycle Posts: 271
    http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/

    a different perspective... :)
  • Captain Fagor
    Captain Fagor Posts: 739
    RichN95 wrote:
    acidstrato wrote:

    is that a Suzuki Baleno?
    And he's driven to the wrong side of the petrol pump. Schoolboy error.

    Perhaps, but he reached with his hose, right?
  • Captain Fagor
    Captain Fagor Posts: 739
    redbicycle wrote:
    http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/

    a different perspective... :)
    Funnily enough, I was wondering how long it would be before the pc brigade started questioning the champagne celebrations. Next up, it will be the demeaning use of lipstick, and the unnecessary shaving of under-arm hair. :roll:

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