Sky and David Walsh
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55mDavid Walsh@DavidWalshST
I spoke to all the management, and Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome. Every one very welcoming. So far! Written piece for tomorrow's ST.
58mDavid Walsh@DavidWalshST
First impressions are that this is a supremely well organised team. It will take more time to be definitive on other questions.
1hDavid Walsh@DavidWalshST
It was an enjoyable first experience and I'm looking forward to going back.
1hDavid Walsh@DavidWalshST
A week ago I joined up with team on training camp in Majorca. Spent five days living with the team. It was the first of many visits I hope.
1hDavid Walsh@DavidWalshST
I asked why he was offering this? "Because we don't have anything to hide, and I'd like you to see that. We want to lead this sport."
1hDavid Walsh@DavidWalshST
I asked how much access I'd get? "Total access," he said, "speak to whoever you want, races or training camps for as long as you want."
2hDavid Walsh@DavidWalshST
Three months ago Dave Brailsford made an offer I couldn't refuse. "Come and live inside Team Sky anytime you like, for as long as you like."
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FestinaGirl tweeting that they can't claim to be transparent until they give Kimmage the same access.
Gobshite.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
TailWindHome wrote:FestinaGirl tweeting that they can't claim to be transparent until they give Kimmage the same access.
Gobshite.
For once I agree. Twitter kicking up a right sh*t storm about this but I'm not sure why!?
Some people just can't be satisfied.0 -
Kimmage just copies Walsh's work anyway. No point doubling up.TailWindHome wrote:FestinaGirl tweeting that they can't claim to be transparent until they give Kimmage the same access.
Gobshite.
Ever since Kimmage has been unemployed he's been smearing Sky (particularly Wiggins) and then goading them into giving him an interview. It's basically blackmail.Twitter: @RichN950 -
^wot Rich says.
Kimmage has seen Walsh feted and lauded as an investigative journalist who stuck at the story for 13 years, and hopes that Wiggo is his Armstrong and Sky his USPS so that he can have some of the same as his best buddy Walsh.
The lastest Rouleur has an interview between Kimmage and Herbie Sykes, and its a 100% word for word transcript of their interview so no possibility of journalistic interpretation or slant by Sykes. Jeez, Kimmage just comes across as this mad shouty person, all over the place.0 -
That almost makes me want to buy Rouleur (it's about £100 a copy, right?). I like Herbie Sykes, he's a good writer even if he is stuck in 1950s Italy.Richmond Racer wrote:The lastest Rouleur has an interview between Kimmage and Herbie Sykes, and its a 100% word for word transcript of their interview so no possibility of journalistic interpretation or slant by Sykes. Jeez, Kimmage just comes across as this mad shouty person, all over the place.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
That almost makes me want to buy Rouleur (it's about £100 a copy, right?). I like Herbie Sykes, he's a good writer even if he is stuck in 1950s Italy.Richmond Racer wrote:The lastest Rouleur has an interview between Kimmage and Herbie Sykes, and its a 100% word for word transcript of their interview so no possibility of journalistic interpretation or slant by Sykes. Jeez, Kimmage just comes across as this mad shouty person, all over the place.
Break open your wallet and buy it. Its a seriously good piece of journalism by Sykes (who seems to be branching out these days - he also wrote a great article for Procycling about the Spanish attitude to doping).
Every other journalist who's interviewed Kimmage has been sycophantic in the extreme - I say interview, the results have been more a pamphlet of the thoughts of Kimmage by Kimmage. Sykes has really taken it to him, and in doing so and through his own words Kimmage has shown himself to be verging on a little bit crazy bonkers.0 -
"Festinagirl" is just the biggest hypocrite. Feting Walsh until he writes something positive about Sky then deciding he isn't good enough and only Kimmage can be trusted. FFS.0
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It's Armstrong in reverse. Kimmage smears those that slight him and the media fete him as a great champion (of anti-doping), any dissent is attacked by 'fanboys'. And behind it there's a fanatical driven personality.Richmond Racer wrote:quote]
Every other journalist who's interviewed Kimmage has been sycophantic in the extreme - I say interview, the results have been more a pamphlet of the thoughts of Kimmage by Kimmage. Sykes has really taken it to him, and in doing so and through his own words Kimmage has shown himself to be verging on a little bit crazy bonkers.
Who was it that said that slowly we become the things we hate?*
(*For example, IainF72 is now 27% velodrome, 15% HTC phone)Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
It's Armstrong in reverse. Kimmage smears those that slight him and the media fete him as a great champion (of anti-doping), any dissent is attacked by 'fanboys'. And behind it there's a fanatical driven personality.Richmond Racer wrote:quote]
Every other journalist who's interviewed Kimmage has been sycophantic in the extreme - I say interview, the results have been more a pamphlet of the thoughts of Kimmage by Kimmage. Sykes has really taken it to him, and in doing so and through his own words Kimmage has shown himself to be verging on a little bit crazy bonkers.
Who was it that said that slowly we become the things we hate?*
(*For example, IainF72 is now 27% velodrome, 15% HTC phone)...
...and 58% bicycle?0 -
The biggest problem with this is that in the grand scheme of things, Sky and Walsh have the same employers. If Walsh was writing it up about a cycling team and a governing body having a link like that he'd be frothing about the conflict of interest etc etc.
As long as he asks why when the team first started they were anything but transparent and did they think black listing people was a good idea.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
What would you expect from someone with a twittername like Festinagirl. Glad I'm not a tweeterer. I feel sorry for Kimmage, getting banned from BR as Biking Bernie hit him hard.0
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Excuse my ignorance but I don't do Twitter, Facebook etc but who is festinagirl? Why do her/his/whatever have any relevance and why do they keep getting quoted as some sort of significant opinion?“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
Wilier Cento Uno SR/Wilier Mortirolo/Specialized Roubaix Comp/Kona Hei Hei/Calibre Bossnut0 -
iainf72 wrote:The biggest problem with this is that in the grand scheme of things, Sky and Walsh have the same employers. If Walsh was writing it up about a cycling team and a governing body having a link like that he'd be frothing about the conflict of interest etc etc.
As long as he asks why when the team first started they were anything but transparent and did they think black listing people was a good idea.
No doubt he'll be going into it again, but when Walsh interviewed DB 3 months ago he grilled him on Leinders and on the hardening of the zero tolerance to let go of De Jongh, Julich etc - most of the resulting article published, focused on these points.
Re him writing for the STimes, its an interesting point. What I have found is that that by far the toughest questioning of Sky and Brailsford across all of the British papers has come from the Times with Jeremy Whittle, and even Owen Slot, and then the Sunday Times with Walsh.
It might be worth looking at it another way: Walsh's reputation is at an incredible high right now, he can basically write his own ticket anywhere. If Sky are up to something, and he misses it, he's now got an incredibly high position to fall from - that's a long way down. He's put himself out there now as the ultimate detector of lies and bullsh*t.0 -
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ddraver wrote:Not this time, They don't need me to look stupid at the moment!
Feeling rather spritely today as it happens
Me too. Great CX watching yday, Qatar and Mallorca both start today. Good times!0 -
Quick question before i brave the rain this morning.... has anyone got a link to the article walsh has written today? times is paywalled but usually see it referenced in other parts of the press which i cant seem to find this morning0
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Mooro wrote:Quick question before i brave the rain this morning.... has anyone got a link to the article walsh has written today? times is paywalled but usually see it referenced in other parts of the press which i cant seem to find this morning
Dont think so. Time to brave the elements...0 -
Mooro wrote:Quick question before i brave the rain this morning.... has anyone got a link to the article walsh has written today? times is paywalled but usually see it referenced in other parts of the press which i cant seem to find this morning
Dont think so. Time to brave the elements...0 -
An excellent question. I followed her because at one time she seemed to be mentioned on these forums quite positively. I found her tweets completely pointless and just ceased the follow. I'm never quite sure how she got the notoriety in the first place.Dabber wrote:Excuse my ignorance but I don't do Twitter, Facebook etc but who is festinagirl? Why do her/his/whatever have any relevance and why do they keep getting quoted as some sort of significant opinion?0 -
dougzz wrote:
An excellent question. I followed her because at one time she seemed to be mentioned on these forums quite positively. I found her tweets completely pointless and just ceased the follow. I'm never quite sure how she got the notoriety in the first place.Dabber wrote:Excuse my ignorance but I don't do Twitter, Facebook etc but who is festinagirl? Why do her/his/whatever have any relevance and why do they keep getting quoted as some sort of significant opinion?
I think it's coz she's a girl, and, by retweeting her, her followers think they have a slightly better chance of actually having sex. Might add 'girl' to my twitter-name in a desperate attempt to get more followers...0 -
Main points from Walsh's article:
Joe Dombrowski is frightened of needles - he has to lie down for blood tests in case he faints.
When Dombrowski turned up to his first team meeting he had a Livestrong wristband on. Wiggins said "You can start by taking that ******* thing off"
Brailsford says they were too defensive regarding doping questions in the summer - hence the offer to Walsh
Kerrison says he finds it harder to train the guys who don't speak much English
Kerrison admits to getting demoralised by a google search suggesting the word doping next to his name.
In the first year they planned strategy for the Giro four days before the race, last year four weeks before, this year four months before.
Ellingworth says EBH doesn't win enough and Kennaugh needs to turn potential into reults.
Josh Edmondson doesn't answer his phone.
Walsh will return.
Edit: It seems to be online: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/spo ... ea10f8b076Twitter: @RichN950 -
Perhaps to add a little to Rich's summary:
Walsh: 'Last season when you were winning so much, the team reacted defensively when asked doping-related questions. You didnt seem to want to discuss it. That fuelled suspicion.'
DB: 'We were too defensive...I see that now and we're going to try to change that. How would you like to come and live with the team?...You join the team any time you like, for as long as you like. You live in the hotel, eat with us, attend our meetings. Everything. Access to all areas and that doesnt mean you see what we want to show you. You want to go to a doctor's bedroom and see what he is carrying with him, you knock on the door. He wont have a problem.'
Walsh: The riders?
DB: You speak to who you want, when you want, but try not to p*** them off. Thats my only issue. Link up with the team any time you like; when we're on a training camp, when we're at a race, we'll find a room. If we're short of a room, our doctor says you can share with him, and we will carry on doing exactly what we'd normally do. Who you talk to, that's entirely up to you.'
Walsh: 'Why are you offering this?
DB: Because we dont have anything to hide and we want people to see that'0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:DB: You speak to who you want, when you want, but try not to p*** them off. Thats my only issue.
Which succinctly explains why Kimmage would never get the job.0 -
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ratsbeyfus wrote:dougzz wrote:
An excellent question. I followed her because at one time she seemed to be mentioned on these forums quite positively. I found her tweets completely pointless and just ceased the follow. I'm never quite sure how she got the notoriety in the first place.Dabber wrote:Excuse my ignorance but I don't do Twitter, Facebook etc but who is festinagirl? Why do her/his/whatever have any relevance and why do they keep getting quoted as some sort of significant opinion?
I think it's coz she's a girl, and, by retweeting her, her followers think they have a slightly better chance of actually having sex. Might add 'girl' to my twitter-name in a desperate attempt to get more followers...
I think she got retweeted and replied to by a number of key figures in the sport (thinking Vaughters here) and gained some notoriety that way. Plus a lot of people don't bother to unfollow, which is something I was guilty of.
As to team sky, it's great that they are I finally offering the openness they said they would when they first started. They are never going to please everyone but they seem to be doing the right thing, gradually.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
