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nic_77 wrote:
This is the most amazing trolling. The topic is pretty harmless, your assertion is totally believable (and possibly right), yet your justifications are utter nonsense.Insideinfo wrote:Well a small snippet i heard this morning, is that the reason why hes going to sign for Rabo is because of the location, based in Holland its not a big hop across the water from his base in Essex. Also with a baby in tow it makes sense to keep things central without upheaval. Stansted to Amsterdam is nearer than Stansted to Glasgow, so its another small reason why hes joined the orange outfit.
Bravo.
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Was Cav to Rabobank not something discussed as a definite possibility before he moved to SKY?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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TailWindHome wrote:Was Cav to Rabobank not something discussed as a definite possibility before he moved to SKY?
It was. They were also one of the teams mentioned as soon as it was rumoured he may leave Sky.
Personally I think they are going to ride the Theo Bos train a little longer.0 -
Turfle wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Was Cav to Rabobank not something discussed as a definite possibility before he moved to SKY?
It was. They were also one of the teams mentioned as soon as it was rumoured he may leave Sky.
Personally I think they are going to ride the Theo Bos train a little longer.
however easily Bos :roll: still ends up in the sidings...0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:Really Cav is in a tough place. He isn't the best track cyclist, which is where you would expect him to excel in one discipline at least. He isn't the best road racer, one day/classic racer. He is too fast in a sprint to be a domestique, it ignores his obvious talents. His personality also casts him as a team leader, alpha male or point man - though his natural abilities mean he isn't going to be the best rider i.e. climber/all rounder. So in the very best teams, which he deserves to be in, he'll probably have to take a back seat to the GC contenders.
This leaves him with the weaker teams - who probably won't provide him with a decent enough lead out team/squad. Or he builds a team around him that focuses on getting the sprinters jersey at the Grand tours - HTC was really unique for this IMO. Trouble is the sprinter jerseys is largely transforming into/back into the points jersey where riders are expected to be able to sprint on flats but also uphill and of course this retain the ability to get over the hills/mountains within the specified time - this being something Cav either can't do, won't do or doesn't like doing so won't do.
Truth be told, I don't what he is going to do. He'd be better off reinventing himself and possibly becoming a classics or one day event contender. If such things were even possible.
With respect thats a load of crap , better off reinventing himself ? you're having a laugh.0 -
Fair enough, it was only a perception of the situation.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
Lichtblick wrote:Cav. Never warmed to him. Chippy northerner, can only do one thing (go very fast indeed over very short distances with a great deal of help).
Bearing in mind that it does not matter two cents what I or anyone else here says or thinks, I feel like saying "told you so" when he joined Sky and did the Tour this year. How can a team support yellow and green jersey ambitions, I asked. The response was - some teams do.
Cav without a lead-out train seems to = Cav very disappointed with subsequent result. Did Sagan or Greipel have lead-out trains in this year's Tour? I don't think so: if they did, I don't remember that. I think they won their sprint stages without.
I often wondered how Hincapie felt being in Cav's team; but maybe George was glad to have another year's contract no matter for what purpose. Another year towards retirement and end of all that - now that we know more (usada et al).
Yeah like the Worlds '11 and a couple of stages in this years tour , Cav grew up riding and winning without leadout trains , he knows how to win whatever way it takes.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:
Greipel didnt have a lead-out train? What the flip are you talking about? Here are some names to play with:
Greg Henderson - his lead-out guy
Marcus Seiberg - his second most important wing man
Lars Bak
Jurgen Roelandts
plus Adam Hansen always there to lend a hand where necessary
Greipel might be bloody fast but he cant handle the rough and tumble in the 800m without a pilot fish - Henderson fills that role and does it excellently. Without Lotto's sprint train Greipel would have won precisely 0 stages this year
EDIT: havent even started on the rest of what you've written...
My response to that, RR, is that cycling is not the only subject on this planet. I am (clearly) interested in ProCycling, but not obsessively. So, I didn't recall all those names you list from July's Tour. So what?
I am sorry that my devotion to detail on one subject, is not as detailed as yours seems to be. Now I must get back to work.
Yes! At this time of night, some people are still at work. Amazing, eh?0 -
or something like thatLichtblick wrote:so I was wrong, that actually makes you a fool not me0 -
Ta. I'm glad my Mastermind chosen specialist subject of leadout trains of the last 5 years, came in useful
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Lichtblick wrote:Cav. Never warmed to him. Chippy northerner, can only do one thing (go very fast indeed over very short distances with a great deal of help).
Bearing in mind that it does not matter two cents what I or anyone else here says or thinks, I feel like saying "told you so" when he joined Sky and did the Tour this year. How can a team support yellow and green jersey ambitions, I asked. The response was - some teams do.
Cav without a lead-out train seems to = Cav very disappointed with subsequent result. Did Sagan or Greipel have lead-out trains in this year's Tour? I don't think so: if they did, I don't remember that. I think they won their sprint stages without.
I often wondered how Hincapie felt being in Cav's team; but maybe George was glad to have another year's contract no matter for what purpose. Another year towards retirement and end of all that - now that we know more (usada et al).
I dont think there are many teams that would not push there budget to have a proven (serial) winner on there roster. There is no doubt, even in his sprint rivals minds, that Cav is the fastest sprinter out there. Most of the top sprinters use lead out trains, or jump on one when they can. You do not get to win all those Grand Tour stages by being a one trick pony.
As for the "Chippy Northener" He speaks his mind, a refreshing change to the media speak heard from most of the Pro peloton.0 -
What suprised me about Sky was the absolute singlemindness with which they stuck to their game plan of only focusing on getting Wiggins to Paris in Yellow.
It was really apparent on the stage into Pau, which should have been a Cav banker and Sky just took a day off. On the stage where he caught Roche/LLS on the line you really got the impression of a boy saying "Please let me play too". Too his credit however he didn't spit the dummy.
I'm wouldn't be that suprised if he ends up at Rabobank. Their GC contenders haven't exactly shone. They could go to the tour with a decent lead for Cav (Renshaw, LLS, Bos, Boom), turn LLS loose as a stage raider and potentially bank 6/7 stages.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Jesus there are some right eejits on this thread! The op is either 12 or a troll. DDD has joined n with his usual PR race trolling (still believe that LA is innocent DDD?) Then Lichtblick his jumped in having a pop a Cab whilst admitting that he knows off all about sprinters :-)
Seriously wtf!0 -
+1 Wot 'e said. The Ignorance Quotient on this thread is simply off the scale!
(And I know nothing).'fool'0 -
I think some posters might be BOTs. I don't know how sophisticated they are these days, but it's the only thing that makes sense.0
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Turfle wrote:I think some posters might be BOTs. I don't know how sophisticated they are these days, but it's the only thing that makes sense.
Bearers Of Total Shite?0 -
Interesting little interview with Wiggo tonight on Sky.... He says that he will probably ride the Giro, almost certainly ride the Tour in "some capacity" and will do a few leadouts for Cav if he "hopefully" stays.0
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DonDaddyD wrote:
I don't know what team in pro racing Cav could (not would) go to. It seems he is too good for the teams that could not realistically challenge for GC in a Grand Tour.Nick Fitt wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:Really Cav is in a tough place. He isn't the best track cyclist, which is where you would expect him to excel in one discipline at least. He isn't the best road racer, one day/classic racer. He is too fast in a sprint to be a domestique, it ignores his obvious talents. His personality also casts him as a team leader, alpha male or point man - though his natural abilities mean he isn't going to be the best rider i.e. climber/all rounder. So in the very best teams, which he deserves to be in, he'll probably have to take a back seat to the GC contenders.
This leaves him with the weaker teams - who probably won't provide him with a decent enough lead out team/squad. Or he builds a team around him that focuses on getting the sprinters jersey at the Grand tours - HTC was really unique for this IMO. Trouble is the sprinter jerseys is largely transforming into/back into the points jersey where riders are expected to be able to sprint on flats but also uphill and of course this retain the ability to get over the hills/mountains within the specified time - this being something Cav either can't do, won't do or doesn't like doing so won't do.
Truth be told, I don't what he is going to do. He'd be better off reinventing himself and possibly becoming a classics or one day event contender. If such things were even possible.
Eh?
The teams that could realistically contest a Grand Tour have their GC contenders and build a team around them. Therefore said team couldn't allocate enough men to help support Cav win sprints and the sprinters/points jersey I.e. What happened at Team Sky.
It would seem for Cav to be really useful to a high profile Team he could change his riding style perhaps becoming a one day/Classics specialist.
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Tom BB wrote:Jesus there are some right eejits on this thread! The op is either 12 or a troll. DDD has joined n with his usual PR race trolling (still believe that LA is innocent DDD?) Then Lichtblick his jumped in having a pop a Cab whilst admitting that he knows off all about sprinters :-)
Seriously wtf!
Can't speak for the OP.
If it's a free-for-all tonight with slinging insults about,mike6 wrote:
I dont think there are many teams that would not push there budget to have a proven (serial) winner on there roster. There is no doubt, even in his sprint rivals minds, that Cav is the fastest sprinter out there. Most of the top sprinters use lead out trains, or jump on one when they can. You do not get to win all those Grand Tour stages by being a one trick pony.
As for the "Chippy Northener" He speaks his mind, a refreshing change to the media speak heard from most of the Pro peloton.
There and their are two different words. Sorry, mike6, but Tom BB started it.
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Started what? You're very quick to act the pedant, on this and other threads....I'm all for new members getting stuck in on the forum, but coming out with toss like Greipel doesn't have a sprint train is going to get shot down!0
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Tom BB wrote:Jesus there are some right eejits on this thread! The op is either 12 or a troll. DDD has joined n with his usual PR race trolling (still believe that LA is innocent DDD?) Then Lichtblick his jumped in having a pop a Cab whilst admitting that he knows off all about sprinters :-)
Seriously wtf!
Are you a troll? Only you seem very negative, a sure sign of trolling. Just because you have a profile pic of you on a bike just before you got off and walked doesnt make you an authority either.0 -
Think people on this thread need to chill out.
TomBB And others - if you don't like the thread or care for what the OP says then just confine it to the 'do not read' section of your mind. Coming on here playing the 'i've been on here longer' card and calling people idiots makes you look like the newbie. At the end of the day, whether its right or wrong, new poster or old poster everybody is entitled to an opinion and if somebody wants to share gossip on here then let them.
Whoever accused the OP of being a troll - I didn't see any malice in any of his posts or anything said specifically to get a rise out of people, he even says himself it's just what he's heard, he's not sure he believes it and he's putting it out there.
As for the actual rumour - people on here pretty much laughing it down, I don't think Cav will go to Rabobank but I think there are plenty of justifiable reasons for him to: Big budget team without success, former best mate and lead out specialist Renshaw, massive paycheck, european base, guaranteed principal status, at least for a lot of races - it was one of the strongest rumours before he originally joined Sky, and its been mentioned in serious text since August also so I don't really see what is laughable about it. If you don't think Cav will join Rabo then great, thats fine, but you can't go shooting anybody that says otherwise unless you work for OPQS and know 100% that that's where Cav is going or you take everything the Comic has to say (even though 99% of it is recycled news given a week late) as the absolute truth :roll: . The jist of it is, anything involving Cavendish right now is Speculation, and people will speculate.0 -
Just in case anyone thinks im 'trolling', heres the info so far.
I said i had it on good authority, through a friend about Cavs Rabo move and i wasnt lying, i also said dont shoot the messenger- im only passing on what ive heard. I then said the girl ive spoken to said 'orange and white outfits' and i backed this up by saying you know what women are like, they may have been black and white for all she knows! But she was adamant. I then heard snippets and posted those. Thats it.
Surely if i was trolling i would be on here every 2 minutes making up all sorts of rubish, having a pop at you lot and forcing the issue? But im not forcing anything, for all i know her info might be complete rubbish as well, as i said, im just posting what im hearing.
One thing that has amazed me is that someone said Cav was going to OPQS a few weeks ago and its stuck, and most of you lot took that as gospel and have defended it ever since, but wheres the solid proof? Its purely speculation as much as anything. Also, why is it such a big step to think Cav wouldnt join Rabobank? They have lots of money, could afford his salary, dont have a GC rider, could do with the publicity Cav could bring and could back him up with a good lead out train. Why is it so difficult to understand and believe this but its easy to understand a 'rumour' it could be OPQS?
As i said, i dont care where he goes im just relaying basic info, thats it.0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Think people on this thread need to chill out.
TomBB And others - if you don't like the thread or care for what the OP says then just confine it to the 'do not read' section of your mind. Coming on here playing the 'i've been on here longer' card and calling people idiots makes you look like the newbie. At the end of the day, whether its right or wrong, new poster or old poster everybody is entitled to an opinion and if somebody wants to share gossip on here then let them.
Whoever accused the OP of being a troll - I didn't see any malice in any of his posts or anything said specifically to get a rise out of people, he even says himself it's just what he's heard, he's not sure he believes it and he's putting it out there.
As for the actual rumour - people on here pretty much laughing it down, I don't think Cav will go to Rabobank but I think there are plenty of justifiable reasons for him to: Big budget team without success, former best mate and lead out specialist Renshaw, massive paycheck, european base, guaranteed principal status, at least for a lot of races - it was one of the strongest rumours before he originally joined Sky, and its been mentioned in serious text since August also so I don't really see what is laughable about it. If you don't think Cav will join Rabo then great, thats fine, but you can't go shooting anybody that says otherwise unless you work for OPQS and know 100% that that's where Cav is going or you take everything the Comic has to say (even though 99% of it is recycled news given a week late) as the absolute truth :roll: . The jist of it is, anything involving Cavendish right now is Speculation, and people will speculate.
Thank you Leicester Lad. Appreciated. As you point out ive never said this is 100% FACT, its just what ive heard so thought i would share it. Its really that simple.
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I never claimed to be a huge authority....most casual fans know that Greipel has a lead out train and also know that if Cav does go to Rabo it wont be to shorten his commute ffs! The pic of me is mid race btw...i unlike others don't feel the need to hide behind anonymous users names and avatars on the interweb 0
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I honestly dont give a shit where he goes, I doubt he cares where I work. I quite like the banter about it though, lets just have a bit of a laugh, once its announced we can all be really clever again... The commute idea is a tad far fetched - it did make me snigger. Personally I think he would look daft in Rabobank kit but that's probably not scientific reasoning to turn down a million squid plus contract. I must admit, Id rather have a Specialized than a Colnago. If I was him Id insist on having one of the Limited Edition S-Works Allez instead of the the plastic Tarmac or Venge or whatever they call it ;-)0
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I have since changed my position to Lance is probably guilty and there is a plausible rationale for the word 'probably'.
It's like Wiggins saying the evidence is "pretty damning". He never outright states Lance is guilty for a reason.
Anyway, my opinion on Cavendish is based on the fact that it appears that he likes a team being built around him coupled to the fact that a decent team with a GC contender (like Sky) may not be able to divert the riders from said contender to Cavendish. This may be wrong and that is fair enough, but an opinion (which can change) isn't an example of trolling.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
Tom BB wrote:I never claimed to be a huge authority....most casual fans know that Greipel has a lead out train and also know that if Cav does go to Rabo it wont be to shorten his commute ffs! The pic of me is mid race btw...i unlike others don't feel the need to hide behind anonymous users names and avatars on the interweb
Really? I just looked up your results on British Cycling website and there was nothing for "Tom BB"! 0 -
Really! Is 'BB' your real last name? Or have you, er, I do not know, made it a tad anonymous....Tom BB wrote:i unlike others don't feel the need to hide behind anonymous users names and avatars on the interwebFood Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:
Really! Is 'BB' your real last name? Or have you, er, I do not know, made it a tad anonymous....Tom BB wrote:i unlike others don't feel the need to hide behind anonymous users names and avatars on the interweb
At least he doesn't put a quote from himself in his own signature though eh? You'll be talking about yourself in the third person next.
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
By the way, if you are going to put a quote of your own (even making a point of accrediting it to yourself, I assume through pride resulting from your own feelings as to the quality, style and content of the quote) in your signature, why not check the grammar while you're at it, after all, it will appear on every post you make y'know.
....as for Cav... IF he went to Rabobank, this thread will become dead funny!0
