Cavendish has left..
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I find it hard to believe it's Rabobank. They don't even operate here in the UK, or are they planning to? I know they sponsor the Celtic League Rugby Union championship.....
OPQS seems to tick all the boxes, Specialized, ex HTC, etcAll Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
I think if insideinfo can produce a graphic which actually defines his relationship to his 'source' he can buy himself another 24 hours. After all anyone can simply guess Cav's next team and declare it a FACT - there probably are only three realistic options:
OPQS
Rabo
Sky
Bear in mind the OP says "I've got it on good authority (friend works for them)"
Which eventually transpired to mean a friend's girlfriend who is a very poor junior sport journalist.
This guy has no credibility - he lied before, he's lying now... hmmm I'm beginning to sound like one of LA's lawyers.0 -
I've got a phone interview for a job with Rabobank tomorrow. I'll ask them whether there's any substance to this.0
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Rick Chasey wrote:DeadCalm wrote:I've got a phone interview for a job with Rabobank tomorrow. I'll ask them whether there's any substance to this.
Which part of the business?
Just being nosey, feel free to not answer.
I work in IT.0 -
Cav's main leadout man from HTC days is already at Rabobank. The supergroup at Sky didn't work, so he's reforming the old band.davidof wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Insideinfo wrote:
If this is true, all I can say is why? Have Rabo even got a lead out train? Mark is going to have his work cut out schooling them if this is true.
Marianne Vos is going to lead him out next season.0 -
I,ve just read the article in wielertaal as mentioned earlier about Mark Cavendish supposedly going to Rabobank.I think some people may have got the wrong end of the stick. The article is by somebody called Mark, and he first of all says how it comes as no surprise that Cav is leaving Sky. He then says that favourite to sign Cav is OPQS but go,s on to say that Boonen is and always will be there number 1. He also points out that with Sylvian Chavanel in the team Cavs hopes of having the whole team based around him to win all the stages will be in doubt. In short ,Mark the author of the article feels that Cav will be wasting his time signing for OPQS and concludes by saying that the team Cav SHOULD sign for is Rabobank. At Rabobank Cav will be the undoubted number 1 in the team. At no point in this article does it say that Cav is going to Rabobank.
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ademort wrote:I,ve just read the article in wielertaal as mentioned earlier about Mark Cavendish supposedly going to Rabobank.I think some people may have got the wrong end of the stick. The article is by somebody called Mark, and he first of all says how it comes as no surprise that Cav is leaving Sky. He then says that favourite to sign Cav is OPQS but go,s on to say that Boonen is and always will be there number 1. He also points out that with Sylvian Chavanel in the team Cavs hopes of having the whole team based around him to win all the stages will be in doubt. In short ,Mark the author of the article feels that Cav will be wasting his time signing for OPQS and concludes by saying that the team Cav SHOULD sign for is Rabobank. At Rabobank Cav will be the undoubted number 1 in the team. At no point in this article does it say that Cav is going to Rabobank.
Ademort
OK, ok...but now if you go back and read the thread from the start you will realise nobody is actually referring to the wielertaal article as anything close to the truth...
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LeicesterLad wrote:ademort wrote:I,ve just read the article in wielertaal as mentioned earlier about Mark Cavendish supposedly going to Rabobank.I think some people may have got the wrong end of the stick. The article is by somebody called Mark, and he first of all says how it comes as no surprise that Cav is leaving Sky. He then says that favourite to sign Cav is OPQS but go,s on to say that Boonen is and always will be there number 1. He also points out that with Sylvian Chavanel in the team Cavs hopes of having the whole team based around him to win all the stages will be in doubt. In short ,Mark the author of the article feels that Cav will be wasting his time signing for OPQS and concludes by saying that the team Cav SHOULD sign for is Rabobank. At Rabobank Cav will be the undoubted number 1 in the team. At no point in this article does it say that Cav is going to Rabobank.
Ademort
OK, ok...but now if you go back and read the thread from the start you will realise nobody is actually referring to the wielertaal article as anything close to the truth...
No, it is true. My mum the hairdresser for Peta says it is true. Apparently she paid using a Rabobank credit card last week. Coincidence?0 -
Im not here to gloat when its made public, i only came on to inform people so i wont be lording it over anyone when it turns out to be true
Just saying what ive heard, havent heard anymore lately but will keep you posted if i do.0 -
Insideinfo wrote:Im not here to gloat when its made public, i only came on to inform people so i wont be lording it over anyone when it turns out to be true
Just saying what ive heard, havent heard anymore lately but will keep you posted if i do.
You do that. Every update from you is like manna from heaven 0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Insideinfo wrote:Im not here to gloat when its made public, i only came on to inform people so i wont be lording it over anyone when it turns out to be true
Just saying what ive heard, havent heard anymore lately but will keep you posted if i do.
You do that. Every update from you is like manna from heaven
Well a small snippet i heard this morning, is that the reason why hes going to sign for Rabo is because of the location, based in Holland its not a big hop across the water from his base in Essex. Also with a baby in tow it makes sense to keep things central without upheaval. Stansted to Amsterdam is nearer than Stansted to Glasgow, so its another small reason why hes joined the orange outfit.0 -
Insideinfo wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Insideinfo wrote:Im not here to gloat when its made public, i only came on to inform people so i wont be lording it over anyone when it turns out to be true
Just saying what ive heard, havent heard anymore lately but will keep you posted if i do.
You do that. Every update from you is like manna from heaven
Well a small snippet i heard this morning, is that the reason why hes going to sign for Rabo is because of the location, based in Holland its not a big hop across the water from his base in Essex. Also with a baby in tow it makes sense to keep things central without upheaval. Stansted to Amsterdam is nearer than Stansted to Glasgow, so its another small reason why hes joined the orange outfit.
Which team is based in Glasgow?
But I can't see how that's correct. Wouldn't he just fly to whatever race he is taking part in?0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Insideinfo wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Insideinfo wrote:Im not here to gloat when its made public, i only came on to inform people so i wont be lording it over anyone when it turns out to be true
Just saying what ive heard, havent heard anymore lately but will keep you posted if i do.
You do that. Every update from you is like manna from heaven
Well a small snippet i heard this morning, is that the reason why hes going to sign for Rabo is because of the location, based in Holland its not a big hop across the water from his base in Essex. Also with a baby in tow it makes sense to keep things central without upheaval. Stansted to Amsterdam is nearer than Stansted to Glasgow, so its another small reason why hes joined the orange outfit.
Which team is based in Glasgow?
But I can't see how that's correct. Wouldn't he just fly to whatever race he is taking part in?
Yes he would for races, but Rabo HQ is based in Holland.0 -
Insideinfo wrote:Yes he would for races, but Rabo HQ is based in Holland.
OK, but so what? How often would he need to go there in a year? I would be surprised if he picked which team to ride for based on that.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Insideinfo wrote:Yes he would for races, but Rabo HQ is based in Holland.
OK, but so what? How often would he need to go there in a year? I would be surprised if he picked which team to ride for based on that.
Well, according to Holy Dave after the Worlds, Cav REALLY wants to ride Amstel Gold
(the above might not be strictly true)0 -
OPQS aren't exactly based in Timbuktu, you know.Insideinfo wrote:Well a small snippet i heard this morning, is that the reason why hes going to sign for Rabo is because of the location, based in Holland its not a big hop across the water from his base in Essex. Also with a baby in tow it makes sense to keep things central without upheaval. Stansted to Amsterdam is nearer than Stansted to Glasgow, so its another small reason why hes joined the orange outfit.Twitter: @RichN950 -
This is the most amazing trolling. The topic is pretty harmless, your assertion is totally believable (and possibly right), yet your justifications are utter nonsense.Insideinfo wrote:Well a small snippet i heard this morning, is that the reason why hes going to sign for Rabo is because of the location, based in Holland its not a big hop across the water from his base in Essex. Also with a baby in tow it makes sense to keep things central without upheaval. Stansted to Amsterdam is nearer than Stansted to Glasgow, so its another small reason why hes joined the orange outfit.
Bravo.0 -
it HAS been a mildy entertaining diversion from Armstrong etc, you have to admit that0
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Really Cav is in a tough place. He isn't the best track cyclist, which is where you would expect him to excel in one discipline at least. He isn't the best road racer, one day/classic racer. He is too fast in a sprint to be a domestique, it ignores his obvious talents. His personality also casts him as a team leader, alpha male or point man - though his natural abilities mean he isn't going to be the best rider i.e. climber/all rounder. So in the very best teams, which he deserves to be in, he'll probably have to take a back seat to the GC contenders.
This leaves him with the weaker teams - who probably won't provide him with a decent enough lead out team/squad. Or he builds a team around him that focuses on getting the sprinters jersey at the Grand tours - HTC was really unique for this IMO. Trouble is the sprinter jerseys is largely transforming into/back into the points jersey where riders are expected to be able to sprint on flats but also uphill and of course this retain the ability to get over the hills/mountains within the specified time - this being something Cav either can't do, won't do or doesn't like doing so won't do.
Truth be told, I don't what he is going to do. He'd be better off reinventing himself and possibly becoming a classics or one day event contender. If such things were even possible.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:Really Cav is in a tough place. He isn't the best track cyclist, which is where you would expect him to excel in one discipline at least. He isn't the best road racer, one day/classic racer. He is too fast in a sprint to be a domestique, it ignores his obvious talents. His personality also casts him as a team leader, alpha male or point man - though his natural abilities mean he isn't going to be the best rider i.e. climber/all rounder. So in the very best teams, which he deserves to be in, he'll probably have to take a back seat to the GC contenders.
This leaves him with the weaker teams - who probably won't provide him with a decent enough lead out team/squad. Or he builds a team around him that focuses on getting the sprinters jersey at the Grand tours - HTC was really unique for this IMO. Trouble is the sprinter jerseys is largely transforming into/back into the points jersey where riders are expected to be able to sprint on flats but also uphill and of course this retain the ability to get over the hills/mountains within the specified time - this being something Cav either can't do, won't do or doesn't like doing so won't do.
Truth be told, I don't what he is going to do. He'd be better off reinventing himself and possibly becoming a classics or one day event contender. If such things were even possible.
Eh?0 -
I take it this is just CW speculating? (look at list of outgoing riders)
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/535170/sky-strengthens-gc-focused-squad.html0 -
hammerite wrote:I take it this is just CW speculating? (look at list of outgoing riders)
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/535170/sky-strengthens-gc-focused-squad.html
It implies that the news came from Sky though. I am sure I read that Geraint Thomas wanted to focus on one day classics FWIW, I might be wrong though. Clearly states Cavendish going to OPQS too0 -
Nick Fitt wrote:hammerite wrote:I take it this is just CW speculating? (look at list of outgoing riders)
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/535170/sky-strengthens-gc-focused-squad.html
Clearly states Cavendish going to OPQS too
That's the bit I was pointing out.0 -
I don't know what team in pro racing Cav could (not would) go to. It seems he is too good for the teams that could not realistically challenge for GC in a Grand Tour.Nick Fitt wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:Really Cav is in a tough place. He isn't the best track cyclist, which is where you would expect him to excel in one discipline at least. He isn't the best road racer, one day/classic racer. He is too fast in a sprint to be a domestique, it ignores his obvious talents. His personality also casts him as a team leader, alpha male or point man - though his natural abilities mean he isn't going to be the best rider i.e. climber/all rounder. So in the very best teams, which he deserves to be in, he'll probably have to take a back seat to the GC contenders.
This leaves him with the weaker teams - who probably won't provide him with a decent enough lead out team/squad. Or he builds a team around him that focuses on getting the sprinters jersey at the Grand tours - HTC was really unique for this IMO. Trouble is the sprinter jerseys is largely transforming into/back into the points jersey where riders are expected to be able to sprint on flats but also uphill and of course this retain the ability to get over the hills/mountains within the specified time - this being something Cav either can't do, won't do or doesn't like doing so won't do.
Truth be told, I don't what he is going to do. He'd be better off reinventing himself and possibly becoming a classics or one day event contender. If such things were even possible.
Eh?
The teams that could realistically contest a Grand Tour have their GC contenders and build a team around them. Therefore said team couldn't allocate enough men to help support Cav win sprints and the sprinters/points jersey I.e. What happened at Team Sky.
It would seem for Cav to be really useful to a high profile Team he could change his riding style perhaps becoming a one day/Classics specialist.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
I think Cav would have the choice of almost any team in the peloton, and they'd happily take him to the Tour + any other high profile race he wished to ride.
Sky would LOVE for Cav to ride the 2013 Tour for them, and for him to win another 3+ stages without having to commit too much manpower to it.0 -
Cav. Never warmed to him. Chippy northerner, can only do one thing (go very fast indeed over very short distances with a great deal of help).
Bearing in mind that it does not matter two cents what I or anyone else here says or thinks, I feel like saying "told you so" when he joined Sky and did the Tour this year. How can a team support yellow and green jersey ambitions, I asked. The response was - some teams do.
Cav without a lead-out train seems to = Cav very disappointed with subsequent result. Did Sagan or Greipel have lead-out trains in this year's Tour? I don't think so: if they did, I don't remember that. I think they won their sprint stages without.
I often wondered how Hincapie felt being in Cav's team; but maybe George was glad to have another year's contract no matter for what purpose. Another year towards retirement and end of all that - now that we know more (usada et al).0 -
Lichtblick wrote:Cav. Never warmed to him. Chippy northerner, can only do one thing (go very fast indeed over very short distances with a great deal of help).
Bearing in mind that it does not matter two cents what I or anyone else here says or thinks, I feel like saying "told you so" when he joined Sky and did the Tour this year. How can a team support yellow and green jersey ambitions, I asked. The response was - some teams do.
Cav without a lead-out train seems to = Cav very disappointed with subsequent result. Did Sagan or Greipel have lead-out trains in this year's Tour? I don't think so: if they did, I don't remember that. I think they won their sprint stages without.
I often wondered how Hincapie felt being in Cav's team; but maybe George was glad to have another year's contract no matter for what purpose. Another year towards retirement and end of all that - now that we know more (usada et al).
Greipel didnt have a lead-out train? What the flip are you talking about? Here are some names to play with:
Greg Henderson - his lead-out guy
Marcus Seiberg - his second most important wing man
Lars Bak
Jurgen Roelandts
plus Adam Hansen always there to lend a hand where necessary
Greipel might be bloody fast but he cant handle the rough and tumble in the 800m without a pilot fish - Henderson fills that role and does it excellently. Without Lotto's sprint train Greipel would have won precisely 0 stages this year
EDIT: havent even started on the rest of what you've written...0
