Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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ddraver wrote:Stanley222 wrote:ddraver wrote:Yes Stanley but he's exciting and cute so it's allowed!!!
And there was me thinking that we were against dopers!
No no only British and US dopers. Spanish Ones we just chuckle, ruffle their hair and send them back out on the road the little scamps!
I dont mind if they dope tbh, :roll: :shock: :shock: :shock:0 -
I guess you are happy when riders die from heart attacks in their sleep and I guess you are happy with a 2 speed peloton. Or maybe just a 1 speed one since clean riders would have no place in the sport.Vino'sGhost wrote:ddraver wrote:Stanley222 wrote:ddraver wrote:Yes Stanley but he's exciting and cute so it's allowed!!!
And there was me thinking that we were against dopers!
No no only British and US dopers. Spanish Ones we just chuckle, ruffle their hair and send them back out on the road the little scamps!
I dont mind if they dope tbh, :roll: :shock: :shock: :shock:
If we can't be idealistic about sporting achievement we can't really be idealistic about anything.0 -
nathancom wrote:
I guess you are happy when riders die from heart attacks in their sleep and I guess you are happy with a 2 speed peloton. Or maybe just a 1 speed one since clean riders would have no place in the sport.Vino'sGhost wrote:ddraver wrote:Stanley222 wrote:ddraver wrote:Yes Stanley but he's exciting and cute so it's allowed!!!
And there was me thinking that we were against dopers!
No no only British and US dopers. Spanish Ones we just chuckle, ruffle their hair and send them back out on the road the little scamps!
I dont mind if they dope tbh, :roll: :shock: :shock: :shock:
If we can't be idealistic about sporting achievement we can't really be idealistic about anything.
you can be as idealistic as you like about whatever you like, but that doesn't mean i need to blindly follow you. Im capable of my own reasoned thought and that means i can watch the races and the tactics and enjoy relating to my own experience racing (very low level) on the same routes / hills. Now i can go and ride sportives or just have a leisure ride and enjoy the scenery and the company of people I'm with and not be angst ridden.
Its only a bike race, if people cheat thats there look out and whilst not ideal, it wont detract from the things that i enjoy. In fact spotting the doper adds to long transition stages in the tours.0 -
Full South Park Episode here - http://9gag.com/gag/5734388?ref=fb.s
OK, I'm a fan but I thought it was fantastic, I ve not laughed that much at a TV show for a long time. I'd put it on the same level as the Scientology episode.
WWJD?
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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lol. Laughed my nuts off at this
(if mentioned before in this monumental thread I apologise)
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... night.htmlCan I upgrade???0 -
Vino'sGhost wrote:nathancom wrote:
I guess you are happy when riders die from heart attacks in their sleep and I guess you are happy with a 2 speed peloton. Or maybe just a 1 speed one since clean riders would have no place in the sport.Vino'sGhost wrote:ddraver wrote:Stanley222 wrote:ddraver wrote:Yes Stanley but he's exciting and cute so it's allowed!!!
And there was me thinking that we were against dopers!
No no only British and US dopers. Spanish Ones we just chuckle, ruffle their hair and send them back out on the road the little scamps!
I dont mind if they dope tbh, :roll: :shock: :shock: :shock:
If we can't be idealistic about sporting achievement we can't really be idealistic about anything.
you can be as idealistic as you like about whatever you like, but that doesn't mean i need to blindly follow you. Im capable of my own reasoned thought and that means i can watch the races and the tactics and enjoy relating to my own experience racing (very low level) on the same routes / hills. Now i can go and ride sportives or just have a leisure ride and enjoy the scenery and the company of people I'm with and not be angst ridden.
Its only a bike race, if people cheat thats there look out and whilst not ideal, it wont detract from the things that i enjoy. In fact spotting the doper adds to long transition stages in the tours.
+1... nicely put. ....angst ridden would seem to be an apt description of a few people on this thread.0 -
The bit in bold is certainly true.Vino'sGhost wrote:I think Contador is the best most exciting thing to happen to Pro cycling in years. Great attacking attitude, not invincible, never says die and prepared to risk everything to win and its not a foregone conclusion either. Marvellous to watch.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
You are trolling, please tell me you are trolling. :?Vino'sGhost wrote:Its only a bike race, if people cheat thats there look out and whilst not ideal, it wont detract from the things that i enjoy. In fact spotting the doper adds to long transition stages in the tours.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
nope not trolling, Im just not that bothered if they dope.
Bullying on the other hand is unpleasant destroys things and is always bad news in the end. Hence lack of respect for armstrong and hein and all the other crones. But i enjoy watching contadors battles. that time trial he did at the end of the tour the other year where the guy in the car was telling him he was behind even though he was gaining. That was a guy totally committed not allowing himself to be beaten. I love that style0 -
IOC opens Lance Armstrong probe
The IOC opened an investigation Thursday into Lance Armstrong's role in a doping scandal that has already wiped out his seven Tour de France titles and could cost him his Olympic bronze medal.
This is from 2000, 12 years ago. Who gives a ???? about a bronze medal from 12 years ago? :shock:
Petty, petty, petty, IMHO. I shouldn't think LA gives a, either.
.......I wonder what he's doing nowadays, hiding in his redoubt. No more news on SCA Promotions wanting their $7.5m back, is there?0 -
So what ur saying is that a denying cheat Is OK, but a bullying Denying cheat is bad. OK, gotcha. :roll: (Cough.troll.cough)Vino'sGhost wrote:nope not trolling, Im just not that bothered if they dope.
Bullying on the other hand is unpleasant destroys things and is always bad news in the end. Hence lack of respect for armstrong and hein and all the other crones. But i enjoy watching contadors battles. that time trial he did at the end of the tour the other year where the guy in the car was telling him he was behind even though he was gaining. That was a guy totally committed not allowing himself to be beaten. I love that styleCan I upgrade???0 -
@Vino's Ghost Read this then go away and read it again and think about the fact fans like you encourage the doping.meggiedude wrote:
So what ur saying is that a denying cheat Is OK, but a bullying Denying cheat is bad. OK, gotcha. :roll: (Cough.troll.cough)Vino'sGhost wrote:nope not trolling, Im just not that bothered if they dope.
Bullying on the other hand is unpleasant destroys things and is always bad news in the end. Hence lack of respect for armstrong and hein and all the other crones. But i enjoy watching contadors battles. that time trial he did at the end of the tour the other year where the guy in the car was telling him he was behind even though he was gaining. That was a guy totally committed not allowing himself to be beaten. I love that style
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/02/cyclist-dies-in-sleep.html
Glad you finally came clean. I hear Dennis has got your back.0 -
You see the thing with Omerta is, that even if people had different opinions they had to keep their mouths shut or else face the sanctimonious ire of the majority; hence the problems we've all seen.
This isn't much different to the situation on here, where a different viewpoint, which is just as valid, brings personal attacks and denouncement.
Personal attacks and denouncements always happen when there is no argument just anger and a lack of critical thought (think burning witches, racism, homophobia etc). Some people might benefit from listening to quiet music for a while and accepting that there might be other views than their own and put their pitch forks down. Independent thinking might (for some) be a step too far.0 -
nathancom wrote:
@Vino's Ghost Read this then go away and read it again and think about the fact fans like you encourage the doping.meggiedude wrote:
So what ur saying is that a denying cheat Is OK, but a bullying Denying cheat is bad. OK, gotcha. :roll: (Cough.troll.cough)Vino'sGhost wrote:nope not trolling, Im just not that bothered if they dope.
Bullying on the other hand is unpleasant destroys things and is always bad news in the end. Hence lack of respect for armstrong and hein and all the other crones. But i enjoy watching contadors battles. that time trial he did at the end of the tour the other year where the guy in the car was telling him he was behind even though he was gaining. That was a guy totally committed not allowing himself to be beaten. I love that style
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2009/02/cyclist-dies-in-sleep.html
Glad you finally came clean. I hear Dennis has got your back.
OK, so you posted an article. Now you expect us to feel guilty about it. Do you have any idea of the amount of people who die in their sleep every night?
If you want to feel guilty about someone dying in their sleep then you've got a whole lot of guilt to deal with. Good luck with that.
You are not responsible for that riders life or death. He's reponsible for himself. IF, and it's a big IF, he took something that killed him I would sure like you to explain to me how that is your or my fault.0 -
I haven't read it because it didn't spark my interest.0
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I think I am slowly starting to side with dennis on this one. I mean he's hardly plunging knives into the hearts of young cyclists.
People make stupid decisions with substances legal and not on a daily basis and die as a result. I think if the trusted 'doctors' are prescribing them and causing deaths, that opens a whole new can of worms. I hung around with the 'cool' druggies at uni for a while, certainly didn't mean I had to be up to my eyeballs in powder.
I'm a bit bored with the 'peer pressure' blame now although the defamation of whisteblowers is certainly unacceptable. I don't think other pros can necessarily blame LA for their own doping. People make moral decisions on a daily basis which affects their work, careers and lives. Some take the hard decisions and live with fact that it may mean not reaching stratospheric levels, but they don't have their conscience to deal with.
Others take the easy way out and live with guilt. Others take the easy way out, have no guilt and still get all the money and fame.
Not sure he's happy though, surely not?0 -
meggiedude wrote:
So what ur saying is that a denying cheat Is OK, but a bullying Denying cheat is bad. OK, gotcha. :roll: (Cough.troll.cough)Vino'sGhost wrote:nope not trolling, Im just not that bothered if they dope.
Bullying on the other hand is unpleasant destroys things and is always bad news in the end. Hence lack of respect for armstrong and hein and all the other crones. But i enjoy watching contadors battles. that time trial he did at the end of the tour the other year where the guy in the car was telling him he was behind even though he was gaining. That was a guy totally committed not allowing himself to be beaten. I love that style
hardly trolling, and i was quite clear, I DONT CARE ABOUT THE DOPING. LOL if i was racing some of those races id be looking at using dope as part of my preparation, no doubts. Everything, training, equipment medical mental tactics preparation. Every little bit of advantage i could get Id be using. I might not choose to shout about it because of the negative impact it would have but id sure be considering it and weighing up the pros and cons of every opportunity.0 -
Great, thanks for the lesson on how to be a scumbag.Vino'sGhost wrote:meggiedude wrote:
So what ur saying is that a denying cheat Is OK, but a bullying Denying cheat is bad. OK, gotcha. :roll: (Cough.troll.cough)Vino'sGhost wrote:nope not trolling, Im just not that bothered if they dope.
Bullying on the other hand is unpleasant destroys things and is always bad news in the end. Hence lack of respect for armstrong and hein and all the other crones. But i enjoy watching contadors battles. that time trial he did at the end of the tour the other year where the guy in the car was telling him he was behind even though he was gaining. That was a guy totally committed not allowing himself to be beaten. I love that style
hardly trolling, and i was quite clear, I DONT CARE ABOUT THE DOPING. LOL if i was racing some of those races id be looking at using dope as part of my preparation, no doubts. Everything, training, equipment medical mental tactics preparation. Every little bit of advantage i could get Id be using. I might not choose to shout about it because of the negative impact it would have but id sure be considering it and weighing up the pros and cons of every opportunity.0 -
Quick everyone. He's in Hawaii.....“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Well, at least Vino's ghost is being honest, I guess.
To be honest, my attitude to doping seems to vary wildly with the sport. I don't give two hoots about how roided up (or otherwise) sprinters are, I just like seeing people run unbelievably fast (once every four years mind). But when it comes to a sport that I follow more closely (cycling), for whatever reason, I just find it more unpalatable.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
nathancom wrote:
Great, thanks for the lesson on how to be a scumbag.Vino'sGhost wrote:meggiedude wrote:
So what ur saying is that a denying cheat Is OK, but a bullying Denying cheat is bad. OK, gotcha. :roll: (Cough.troll.cough)Vino'sGhost wrote:nope not trolling, Im just not that bothered if they dope.
Bullying on the other hand is unpleasant destroys things and is always bad news in the end. Hence lack of respect for armstrong and hein and all the other crones. But i enjoy watching contadors battles. that time trial he did at the end of the tour the other year where the guy in the car was telling him he was behind even though he was gaining. That was a guy totally committed not allowing himself to be beaten. I love that style
hardly trolling, and i was quite clear, I DONT CARE ABOUT THE DOPING. LOL if i was racing some of those races id be looking at using dope as part of my preparation, no doubts. Everything, training, equipment medical mental tactics preparation. Every little bit of advantage i could get Id be using. I might not choose to shout about it because of the negative impact it would have but id sure be considering it and weighing up the pros and cons of every opportunity.
Thatll be the pitch forks again Nathan.0 -
Stanley222 wrote:But if that sprinter could only run so fast because he was full of gear wouldn't that make you feel a bit cheated?
Ive thought about this sort of thing and for my own view, i enjoy seeing em run as fast as possible. Oddly i feel differently about swimmers. perhaps because of the arrogance of a certain swimmer.0 -
Stanley222 wrote:But if that sprinter could only run so fast because he was full of gear wouldn't that make you feel a bit cheated?
Meh, I just don't care about it. In pro cycling, I'm following a story, I have emotional investment in the characters, well, a little anyway. In sprinting I don't have any real interest outside 10 seconds every 4 years.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
People have strongly held views about all this stuff, which is fine. I can respect other people have views which are different than mine. though i do have difficulty understanding where they get the right to demand that people re left destitute to appease some sense of personal loss and entitlement. i don't understand why that would give them a sense of right. Though i do sense that now lance has been done theres less anger about him and youve moved on to new targets like a pack of rabid dogs. (see the poll for most hated)0
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No it is just that he has retired already so is no longer active in cycling unlike Contador.
I don't get how saying doping in sport is fine is just another opinion. That is like saying theft is fine or murder is fine and then defending the viewpoint on the grounds that it is your opinion and all opinions are equally valid.
But hey, there is probably another forum with someone defending Jimmy Saville and complaining about pitchforks...0 -
nathancom wrote:No it is just that he has retired already so is no longer active in cycling unlike Contador.
I don't get how saying doping in sport is fine is just another opinion. That is like saying theft is fine or murder is fine and then defending the viewpoint on the grounds that it is your opinion and all opinions are equally valid.
But hey, there is probably another forum with someone defending Jimmy Saville and complaining about pitchforks...
There you go not thinking again. I didn't say doping was morally right i just said it doesn't bother me. I haven't defended it either i just said it doesn't bother me. And doping is not murder or rape, just like speeding isn't.0
