Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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No tA Doctor wrote:dennisn wrote:jerry3571 wrote:I think it's possible to ride a bike and have opinions on all this.
My theory was that in 1998 the TDF had a really really really bad year. To turn the page on this bad news event, Hein et al saw a certain Cancer Survivor ride a decent Vuelta in that year and "viola" they had a story which will ecclipse the 1998 Tour. Here was where LA/JB were brought in to the inner ring where they would be afforded a clear run at the Tour where dope tests were pre warned and positive tests were made to disappear. For LA/JB they could rack up Tour wins and 1998 would become a distant memory for the UCI.
After a while, the LA story would elevate cycling to a new level bringing bigger bucks for everyone concerned.
That's my theory anyway.
Jerry
I can believe something like that. Only problem is that it puts someone pulling LA's strings instead of LA pulling everyones elses, as most on this forum would contend happened. From "bikingbernie" on down, everyone has said that LA was the top of the heap, the chief architect of it all, cycling enemy #1. I've never really thought that idea had any real merit to it. Like you I think I saw someone up the ladder pulling the puppet strings. LA may have simply been their poster child. It also sort of asks the question of who pulls Hein's strings, if anyone? Lots of money out there. Who else gets a cut for services provided?
Not really. I don't think anyone contested that LA doped alone, that he didn't have help. He's just the rider that benefited most from doping, and was particularly nasty about covering it up. That's always been my position.
Not hard to see why someone might get "...nasty about covering it up." If you're part of a scam like this there are always loose ends to be swept under the carpet. Sometimes this whole thing reminds me of organized crime and those are not generally people who ask politely. FWIW I guess I don't see LA as some sort of "Don" or "Godfather". He's much too visable and doing all that's required to cheat AND win 7 TDF's is something of a behind the scenes thing.0 -
dennisn wrote:I can believe something like that. Only problem is that it puts someone pulling LA's strings instead of LA pulling everyones elses, as most on this forum would contend happened. From "bikingbernie" on down, everyone has said that LA was the top of the heap, the chief architect of it all, cycling enemy #1. I've never really thought that idea had any real merit to it. Like you I think I saw someone up the ladder pulling the puppet strings. LA may have simply been their poster child. It also sort of asks the question of who pulls Hein's strings, if anyone? Lots of money out there. Who else gets a cut for services provided?
Dennis, a quick note, seeing as you evoked Biking Bernie's name. You need to realise that you two are opposite sides of the same coin. By and large none of care if wheter of you are right or wrong, we just ignore you because you are f***ing boring.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:dennisn wrote:I can believe something like that. Only problem is that it puts someone pulling LA's strings instead of LA pulling everyones elses, as most on this forum would contend happened. From "bikingbernie" on down, everyone has said that LA was the top of the heap, the chief architect of it all, cycling enemy #1. I've never really thought that idea had any real merit to it. Like you I think I saw someone up the ladder pulling the puppet strings. LA may have simply been their poster child. It also sort of asks the question of who pulls Hein's strings, if anyone? Lots of money out there. Who else gets a cut for services provided?
Dennis, a quick note, seeing as you evoked Biking Bernie's name. You need to realise that you two are opposite sides of the same coin. By and large none of care if wheter of you are right or wrong, we just ignore you because you are f***ing boring.
I realize that most don't care whether I'm right or wrong, and that's fine with me. As for me being "f***ing boring". Lighten up, it's only a forum.0 -
Haha self awareness alert...dennisn wrote:RichN95 wrote:dennisn wrote:I can believe something like that. Only problem is that it puts someone pulling LA's strings instead of LA pulling everyones elses, as most on this forum would contend happened. From "bikingbernie" on down, everyone has said that LA was the top of the heap, the chief architect of it all, cycling enemy #1. I've never really thought that idea had any real merit to it. Like you I think I saw someone up the ladder pulling the puppet strings. LA may have simply been their poster child. It also sort of asks the question of who pulls Hein's strings, if anyone? Lots of money out there. Who else gets a cut for services provided?
Dennis, a quick note, seeing as you evoked Biking Bernie's name. You need to realise that you two are opposite sides of the same coin. By and large none of care if wheter of you are right or wrong, we just ignore you because you are f***ing boring.
I realize that most don't care whether I'm right or wrong, and that's fine with me. As for me being "f***ing boring". Lighten up, it's only a forum.0 -
An interesting read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/busin ... wanted=all
Chasing Armstrong With Truth
By DAVID CARR
Published: October 28, 2012
The Web is full of outliers who are constantly posting about vast conspiracies, advanced by powerful interests and enabled by the mainstream media. The truth, they say, is out there in plain sight.
Every once in a while, the outliers are right. This is a story of how a group of people at the low end of bicycle racing used the Web and social media to take back custody of their sport from powerful dopers and liars and their enablers in the media.0 -
Oh good grief. The egos of the Twitter Taliban are big enough already...fidgetyphil wrote:An interesting read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/busin ... wanted=all
Chasing Armstrong With Truth
By DAVID CARR
Published: October 28, 2012
The Web is full of outliers who are constantly posting about vast conspiracies, advanced by powerful interests and enabled by the mainstream media. The truth, they say, is out there in plain sight.
Every once in a while, the outliers are right. This is a story of how a group of people at the low end of bicycle racing used the Web and social media to take back custody of their sport from powerful dopers and liars and their enablers in the media.0 -
fidgetyphil wrote:An interesting read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/busin ... wanted=all
Chasing Armstrong With Truth
By DAVID CARR
Published: October 28, 2012
The Web is full of outliers who are constantly posting about vast conspiracies, advanced by powerful interests and enabled by the mainstream media. The truth, they say, is out there in plain sight.
Every once in a while, the outliers are right. This is a story of how a group of people at the low end of bicycle racing used the Web and social media to take back custody of their sport from powerful dopers and liars and their enablers in the media.
Only a few weeks ago there were Armstrong Apologists still defending him. There was also a concerted campaign by some internet forums to ban members who dared post so called 'negative comments' about drug issues in cycling.
Personally I find the motives of anyone who took the view posts about drug abuse and cheating in cycling were negative must have some sort of agenda.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:itisaboutthebike wrote:What do the following think or say about it all:
Gary Imlach
Paul Sherwen
David Harmon
Sean Kelly
Ned Boulting
Daniel Coyle
What about Phil Leggup ? He's the main maaaaaan................maaaaaaaaaaaaan........
I understand that the latest Liggett beliefs were expressed in an interview shown on Oz telly today, and include:
There's evidence against Lancey but its not PROOF
That the USADA followed up because of pressure from social media
Lancey lied to his face
You've missed the comment about the eminent scientist who was a friend but can't remember his name etc. etc.0 -
He also recently said the drugs don't turn a donkey into a greyhound. He clearly hasn't tried LSD.Pross wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:itisaboutthebike wrote:What do the following think or say about it all:
Gary Imlach
Paul Sherwen
David Harmon
Sean Kelly
Ned Boulting
Daniel Coyle
What about Phil Leggup ? He's the main maaaaaan................maaaaaaaaaaaaan........
I understand that the latest Liggett beliefs were expressed in an interview shown on Oz telly today, and include:
There's evidence against Lancey but its not PROOF
That the USADA followed up because of pressure from social media
Lancey lied to his face
You've missed the comment about the eminent scientist who was a friend but can't remember his name etc. etc.N00b commuter with delusions of competence
FCN 11 - If you scalp me, do I not bleed?0 -
I'm pretty sure sure that Boardman was a room mate of Philippe Gaumont who I watched him win the 1996, 4 Jour Dunkerque with help of C.B.greasedscotsman wrote:
Hasn't that been done before? Wiggins was part of the Cofidis team that was "withdrawn" from the Tour in 2007 because of Cristian Moreni positive test.
Why do I mention this.
Gaumont was tested positive in that year with Gan and left to join Cofidis (1997 -2004) were he failed 2 more tests.
During the 2004 Trial of Cofidis he admitted to repeated use of EPO and then he retired.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
I left this thread at about page 80.
Could someone summarise pages 81-142 in one short paragraph or less please.0 -
Dennis asks every one why they care and wonders why we re still talking about it. Thereby making another post and continuing the discussion in an epic circle of death...
The rest is a will he/won't he confess discussion...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Secteur wrote:I left this thread at about page 80.
Could someone summarise pages 81-142 in one short paragraph or less please.
Lance Armstrong continues to be stripped of 7 TDF wins and still has lifetime ban. General low level bickering and banter. UCI say "oh, go on then" and ratify. More general low level bickering and banter.
By and large Armstrong continues to get a right good kicking; he has the good sense to remain largely absent from the conversation.
Dennis also continues to get a right good kicking; he keeps coming back for more.0 -
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OCDuPalais wrote:Secteur wrote:I left this thread at about page 80.
Could someone summarise pages 81-142 in one short paragraph or less please.
Lance Armstrong continues to be stripped of 7 TDF wins and still has lifetime ban. General low level bickering and banter. UCI say "oh, go on then" and ratify. More general low level bickering and banter.
By and large Armstrong continues to get a right good kicking; he has the good sense to remain largely absent from the conversation.
Dennis also continues to get a right good kicking; he keeps coming back for more.
I'm now delegating thread reading to you, OCD. Just pop an executive summary of the day's pro-race threads in my inbox each evening. Cheers, you've saved me many hours of my life.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Right you are, guv.0
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Despite not reallocating the wins from 1999 to 2005, the UCI have, apparently (source: BBC), awarded 3rd place in the 2009 tour to Bradley Wiggins.0
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OCDuPalais wrote:Right you are, guv.
If you're conscientious and hard working then one day I might promote you to posting some of my more trivial responses for me. Just think though, in ten years time you could be managing my Twitter account if you play your cards right.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Said this on sky news too, how does that work then if the other places aren't being swapped about?nweststeyn wrote:Despite not reallocating the wins from 1999 to 2005, the UCI have, apparently (source: BBC), awarded 3rd place in the 2009 tour to Bradley Wiggins.0 -
Because despite the win not being awarded, everyone moves up a place. It's just that the guy who finished first was not deemed to have "Won" it, if you follow that rather strange (but true) form of logic.Paul 8v wrote:
Said this on sky news too, how does that work then if the other places aren't being swapped about?nweststeyn wrote:Despite not reallocating the wins from 1999 to 2005, the UCI have, apparently (source: BBC), awarded 3rd place in the 2009 tour to Bradley Wiggins.
I think.0 -
Paul 8v wrote:
Said this on sky news too, how does that work then if the other places aren't being swapped about?nweststeyn wrote:Despite not reallocating the wins from 1999 to 2005, the UCI have, apparently (source: BBC), awarded 3rd place in the 2009 tour to Bradley Wiggins.
*ahem*@shraap | My Men 2016: G, Yogi, Cav, Boonen, Degenkolb, Martin, J-Rod, Kudus, Chaves0 -
I keep seeing this, it' a wonderful bit of text. Thanks to whoever suggested it!
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Sorry I haven't quite followed the 175 million posts on Lance Armstrong :-P Confusing times!chrisday wrote:Paul 8v wrote:
Said this on sky news too, how does that work then if the other places aren't being swapped about?nweststeyn wrote:Despite not reallocating the wins from 1999 to 2005, the UCI have, apparently (source: BBC), awarded 3rd place in the 2009 tour to Bradley Wiggins.
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“For the most part, the journalists who seemed to know the most about professional cycling told us the least.”
http://gigaom.com/2012/10/29/lance-arms ... m-matters/
The scheme to to get the wins, silence the press and keep the fame was hatched before the power of social media was known, before it had fully blossomed into a realtime neighborhood watch of information sharing and analysis. And gossip – people are much more likely to retweet what they want to be true, their aspirations and values, however dark.0 -
If Lance pays back his winnings for the races he didn't get shown to have cheated any rider in
-according to ASO's new record, will Richard Virenque keep his winnings? 0 -
Don't think this has been posted although I stopped following this thread a good while ago.
Ekimov interview. Lol.
Q: You are disappointed in Armstrong after the publication of the USADA report ?
A: I was disappointed in the people who rode with us on the same team. The team was split in half. One half says one thing and another - quite the opposite. I continue to be in the "other" half. I am amazed by what I read in the papers. Either I rode on some other team, or doping was so secretive that I totally missed it.. Here’s what I think - those that talk about the systematic doping, either lying or telling the truth.
IF they tell the truth, they should have the proof… something more than some oral testimony. Otherwise, others have the right to consider whatever they say a lie. Personally, I absolutely do not understand why there was such a split in the team. May be someone stepped on someone’s toes? May be a revenge for old grudges? It was clear long ago - everyone envied Armstrong's success. At one time, when he tried to respond to every jab and attack , I told him, 'Do not make entire world angry at you. You don’t have enough saliva to spit on everyone. Imagine that one day everyone will spit at you and then you will drown in their saliva. I urged him to be restrained. But what happened already happened. Although I think it is extremely unfair not only to Armstrong, but also to the history of cycling in general.
Q: you happy that your name is not mentioned in the report?
A: What a strange question, but I will respond… The only witness to my words is Jesus Christ, but I can tell you that I don‘t lose any sleep over this. Although, if someone tells me that I'm actually black, not white, they'll have to prove it somehow. Also, do not forget one more thing - America lives in a different legal system than we, in Russia. If you are accused of something there, the judge will consider you guilty until you are proven otherwise. They live by different rules. Thus, it was possible to conspire against Armstrong. In this case, the reasons can be anything: personal enrichment, PR, whatever ... My name is not in the USADA report because it could not be there. Otherwise, I would have publicly announced that it is a lie! For now, I'm just in shock. I had no idea that such things were happening within the team, if we assume that they took place at all!
Q: In their affidavits, Landis and Hincapie said that in 2004, the riders were administered transfusion right on the bus as it was travelling from a stage finish to a hotel. The driver stopped for an hour on a mountain road pretending engine failure. During this time, according to Hincapie, "Most of the team received fresh blood." You were in the 2004 and had to be in the bus
A: This simply could not have happened in France. France is not a country where you can engage in such illegal things on the team bus. Even if such a thing took place, it could simply not have happened in the team bus… because during the "tour", the police would pop up to near a bus even if it took a bit longer than usual at a gas station. I know that all teams in recent years were under close surveillance by the police agents monitoring all their movements. One time our bus stopped in a field to drain its toilet…within 5 minutes there appeared a police car and fined us. And the police was right - in France they have special drain for the purpose.
Q: Can you state than you never saw Armstrong using PEDs?
A: Personally, I've never seen him using PEDs. As it happens, doping is not a public show. There is a doctor hotel room and there is a rider hotel room… Armstrong has always stayed alone, and no one could enter without the special permission. I was never interested in what was going on behind those doors, . I thought only of how to recover quickly after the stage in order to lead my team mates the next day.Contador is the Greatest0 -
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Shameful that he will be recorded as 2004 gold medallist. What were the IOC thinking in awarding it to him.0
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nathancom wrote:Shameful that he will be recorded as 2004 gold medallist. What were the IOC thinking in awarding it to him.
Maybe Bruyneel will have EKI at USADA arbitration??? :shock:0
