Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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You really do sound like you are engaged in self analysis all the time. From your other posts you are a middle aged American engaged in amateur cycling which probably puts you squarely in the group of people who idolised Lance in the early 2000's as he turned your minority scene into a relatively big deal in USA and gave you that intangible yet valuable gift, pride. You have a lot to thank him for and so conversely a lot to lose when he is unmasked. So, you have engaged in a process firstly of denial and then, once denial becomes equivalent to insanity, you change tack and accuse others of your own failings to try and share the load. It is you, not us, for whom Lance Armstrong is a hero. Now he is dust.dennisn wrote:andrewjoseph wrote:
Sounds like the good Doctor got taken in by it all too. He(not me or you) put LA on that pedastal / altar and when it fell apart he got p*ssed off. Not an unusual reaction when your heroes fail you. Now he wants us to feel as bad as he does. And how does he get us to feel badly too? He tells us it is party our collective faults. He's not going to get an apoligy from LA so maybe he can blame others and somehow feel better about himself. B*llsh*t, plain and simple. Not my, or anyone elses, problem doc', to feel sorry for your missteps or mistaken judgement. C'mon, this guy is telling you it's partly your fault and YOU go along with it??????
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Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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nathancom wrote:
You really do sound like you are engaged in self analysis all the time. From your other posts you are a middle aged American engaged in amateur cycling which probably puts you squarely in the group of people who idolised Lance in the early 2000's as he turned your minority scene into a relatively big deal in USA and gave you that intangible yet valuable gift, pride. You have a lot to thank him for and so conversely a lot to lose when he is unmasked. So, you have engaged in a process firstly of denial and then, once denial becomes equivalent to insanity, you change tack and accuse others of your own failings to try and share the load. It is you, not us, for whom Lance Armstrong is a hero. Now he is dust.dennisn wrote:andrewjoseph wrote:
Sounds like the good Doctor got taken in by it all too. He(not me or you) put LA on that pedastal / altar and when it fell apart he got p*ssed off. Not an unusual reaction when your heroes fail you. Now he wants us to feel as bad as he does. And how does he get us to feel badly too? He tells us it is party our collective faults. He's not going to get an apoligy from LA so maybe he can blame others and somehow feel better about himself. B*llsh*t, plain and simple. Not my, or anyone elses, problem doc', to feel sorry for your missteps or mistaken judgement. C'mon, this guy is telling you it's partly your fault and YOU go along with it??????
Tell me I am wrong.
Let's see now.
Self analysis? - You could be right. As I get older I do tend to ponder my life and what I do.
Middle aged American? - Only if I live to be 128 - so I'm gonna call that a wrong.
Idolizing Lance? - Think about it. Why would a 54 year old man(at the time) idolize some brash young punk? Why would a 54 year old man idolize anyone for that matter? So another notch in the wrong column.
Thank Lance? - While I will agree that his effect on the sport was very important I don't believe I ever communicated my thanks to him in any way. Call it in the maybe column.
A lot to lose when he was unmasked? - Can't recall really having invested anything in him. Didn't have a yellow wrist band, never bought a Trek, have never visited his website, never made any contributions to his charity, don't own a Sheryl Crow album,
did buy some Shimano components. All in all, another wrong.
Me in denial? - I deny that.
LA my hero? No not by a long shot. Family and friends are my hero's. They are the ones that will come and pick my *ss up when I use up my last spare 50 miles from home. I doubt LA is gonna take that call. Wrong again.
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dennisn wrote:andrewjoseph wrote:
Sounds like the good Doctor got taken in by it all too. He(not me or you) put LA on that pedastal / altar and when it fell apart he got p*ssed off. Not an unusual reaction when your heroes fail you. Now he wants us to feel as bad as he does. And how does he get us to feel badly too? He tells us it is party our collective faults. He's not going to get an apoligy from LA so maybe he can blame others and somehow feel better about himself. B*llsh*t, plain and simple. Not my, or anyone elses, problem doc', to feel sorry for your missteps or mistaken judgement. C'mon, this guy is telling you it's partly your fault and YOU go along with it??????
i really think you are the only person who takes this viewpoint.--
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See you don't get it - from about 3 bits of information you can make up any old sh1t about someone's thoughts and feelings like you try to but the likelihood of the statement being correct is small because I.do.not.know.you. How you presume to tell everyone what they think or feel in one overarching statement is even more ridiculous than my little bit of Sherlock Holmsish bollocks. You have been a Lance supporter for a long time, so whatever.dennisn wrote:nathancom wrote:
You really do sound like you are engaged in self analysis all the time. From your other posts you are a middle aged American engaged in amateur cycling which probably puts you squarely in the group of people who idolised Lance in the early 2000's as he turned your minority scene into a relatively big deal in USA and gave you that intangible yet valuable gift, pride. You have a lot to thank him for and so conversely a lot to lose when he is unmasked. So, you have engaged in a process firstly of denial and then, once denial becomes equivalent to insanity, you change tack and accuse others of your own failings to try and share the load. It is you, not us, for whom Lance Armstrong is a hero. Now he is dust.dennisn wrote:andrewjoseph wrote:
Sounds like the good Doctor got taken in by it all too. He(not me or you) put LA on that pedastal / altar and when it fell apart he got p*ssed off. Not an unusual reaction when your heroes fail you. Now he wants us to feel as bad as he does. And how does he get us to feel badly too? He tells us it is party our collective faults. He's not going to get an apoligy from LA so maybe he can blame others and somehow feel better about himself. B*llsh*t, plain and simple. Not my, or anyone elses, problem doc', to feel sorry for your missteps or mistaken judgement. C'mon, this guy is telling you it's partly your fault and YOU go along with it??????
Tell me I am wrong.
Let's see now.
Self analysis? - You could be right. As I get older I do tend to ponder my life and what I do.
Middle aged American? - Only if I live to be 128 - so I'm gonna call that a wrong.
Idolizing Lance? - Think about it. Why would a 54 year old man(at the time) idolize some brash young punk? Why would a 54 year old man idolize anyone for that matter? So another notch in the wrong column.
Thank Lance? - While I will agree that his effect on the sport was very important I don't believe I ever communicated my thanks to him in any way. Call it in the maybe column.
A lot to lose when he was unmasked? - Can't recall really having invested anything in him. Didn't have a yellow wrist band, never bought a Trek, have never visited his website, never made any contributions to his charity, don't own a Sheryl Crow album,
did buy some Shimano components. All in all, another wrong.
Me in denial? - I deny that.
LA my hero? No not by a long shot. Family and friends are my hero's. They are the ones that will come and pick my *ss up when I use up my last spare 50 miles from home. I doubt LA is gonna take that call. Wrong again.
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Guys - Dennis is the worlds great troll. Just ignore him.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:Guys - Dennis is the worlds great troll. Just ignore him.
Listen to this guy. He sort of knows what he's talking about. I read all the syuff you guys say about me and accuse me off. It's not lost on me. I hear / read it and it gets filed and thought about. Some of you may even be right about me, but I'm basically harmless.0 -
dennisn wrote:iainf72 wrote:Guys - Dennis is the worlds great troll. Just ignore him.
Listen to this guy. He sort of knows what he's talking about. I read all the syuff you guys say about me and accuse me off. It's not lost on me. I hear / read it and it gets filed and thought about. Some of you may even be right about me, but I'm basically harmless.
In the UK we judge if Americans are harmless on one single fact.
Do you have a gun rack on your pickup truck?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:iainf72 wrote:Guys - Dennis is the worlds great troll. Just ignore him.
Listen to this guy. He sort of knows what he's talking about. I read all the syuff you guys say about me and accuse me off. It's not lost on me. I hear / read it and it gets filed and thought about. Some of you may even be right about me, but I'm basically harmless.
In the UK we judge if Americans are harmless on one single fact.
Do you have a gun rack on your pickup truck?
Sorry, no pickup truck and no gun rack. Used to have a pickup. Still have a shotgun. I think everyone in America does.
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redbicycle wrote:
I can't understand why he is going ahead with it. Maybe he is deluded or maybe he believes he can get key people to contradict the eye witness testiomony. Ekimov, Yates, Ruberia have all denied what USADA said ..there were around 40 different people at a guess who resided in USPS and Disco TDF teams 1999-2005. What if Bruyneel has a nearly equal numer of people stand up there under oath and say it did not happen. Ekimov denies Floyd's 2004 transfusion on a bus story. I believe Armstrong was drugged but am trying to thionk of what Bruyneel might hope to achieve with all the witnesses he can call. Just imagine if he won an arbitration :shock:0 -
Dave_1 wrote:
I can't understand why he is going ahead with it. Maybe he is deluded or maybe he believes he can get key people to contradict the eye witness testiomony. Ekimov, Yates, Ruberia have all denied what USADA said ..there were around 40 different people at a guess who resided in USPS and Disco TDF teams 1999-2005. What if Bruyneel has a nearly equal numer of people stand up there under oath and say it did not happen. Ekimov denies Floyd's 2004 transfusion on a bus story. I believe Armstrong was drugged but am trying to thionk of what Bruyneel might hope to achieve with all the witnesses he can call. Just imagine if he won an arbitration :
This thread would hit a thousand pages, never since girls in Lycra .....0 -
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/01/sport ... index.html
Some yankee doodle dandies not liking the Edenbridge Effigy...Comments are amusingWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Bloody hell ... Lance has riled a few folks but comparing him to Sir Jimmy is a bit much ...
Although maybe Greg Lemond is the link ...0 -
It is just a Guy Fawkes effigy. Calm down dear.0
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I don't see what Bruyneel has to lose from arbitration. I assume he will say that it was an athlete's individual responsibility whether they doped, that he was just driver etc. Furthermore, by going to abitration he will have the CAS option, so one way or another he could avoid a life ban. If he refuses arbitration then he just gets a life ban.0
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TheBigBean wrote:I don't see what Bruyneel has to lose from arbitration. I assume he will say that it was an athlete's individual responsibility whether they doped, that he was just driver etc. Furthermore, by going to abitration he will have the CAS option, so one way or another he could avoid a life ban. If he refuses arbitration then he just gets a life ban.
Correct, that is also the way I see it. He could only gain from it.0 -
I suspect this could be like the Falvio Briatore F1 ban where he took them to court and won because he didn't have a licence so they had no way to ban him0
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iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:iainf72 wrote:Guys - Dennis is the worlds great troll. Just ignore him.
Listen to this guy. He sort of knows what he's talking about. I read all the syuff you guys say about me and accuse me off. It's not lost on me. I hear / read it and it gets filed and thought about. Some of you may even be right about me, but I'm basically harmless.
In the UK we judge if Americans are harmless on one single fact.
Do you have a gun rack on your pickup truck?
I refer the honourable gentleman to the post he made above. --
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The AGM of Cycling Ireland was on today. A discussion was had at the end in an effort to raise a motion of no confidence in McQuaid. Remember McQuaid needs the backing of him home union to be able to run for president again.oneof1982 wrote:
More info
>http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/vote-of-no-confidence-in-mcquaid-to-be-raised-at-cycling-ireland-agm-tomorrow-saturday/0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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"The World According to Lance" documentary on at 10pm tonight on ESPN Classic (Sky 425, don't need sports subscription)0
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just saw a picture of people burning the effigy of Lance Armstrong. This is too much..to wish harm on someone.. ..I would never wish physical suffering on anyone because I believe in karma0
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Dave_1 wrote:just saw a picture of people burning the effigy of Lance Armstrong. This is too much..to wish harm on someone.. ..I would never wish physical suffering on anyone because I believe in karma
They are burning the 'idea' of lance. he didn't actually feel the flames, there is no voodoo curse working here. --
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Yep, its just humour, and if someone doesn't find it funny, it doesn't mean it isn't funny. Personally I think its just fun, and its not burning effigies anyway its having a bonfire with an alternative to a Guy Fawkes guy on it just to have a laugh.
Its funny if you fund it funny. Its offensive if you find it offensive. But who cares, there's no malice behind it, can't remember anyone being up in arms about the footballer one last year.
The cancer bit is what people get up in arms about. IF they'd done Jimmy Savile instead, would people say its offensive cos he made lots of money for charity? Would they f**k.
I'm glad they went ahead after a few moronic people found it important enough to get 'up in arms about it' cos its just a bit of fun. Nothing more.
....Ps. Better write 'up in arms' again, not sure I used the phrase enough in that post and don't want people to get up in arms about it.0 -
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Mag ... c9c41#next
Article by Walsh - have to say it's a little over tragic...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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