Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Walsh's ST article

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/109943740/Walsh-LST

    Didn't know Emma's ex works for British Cycling.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Thoughts on the doc:

    It's obvious, but it's nice to see even in a crazy world where conspiracy theorists are largely right than teammates seem to a) know what's going on and b) seem to walk in on teammates doping from time to time.

    Teammates denying knowledge seems increasingly not credible.
    _
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    RoadPainter wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, this crazily massive conspiracy to dope across an entire sport is absolutely fascinating.

    But hearing a knowlegable sports fan talk about Riis, Buyneel, Armstrong, Andreau, Hamilton, Millar, and know all about what they were shoving into their veins and nothing about what they did on the bike is pretty depressing!

    Of course it's fascinating and to bunches of people. It's dirt about famous people / celebs and that is what whole bunches of people want the hear. I attribute this fascination to jealousy. People want to know, and often hope, that the rich and famous have their fair share of problems too and seeing these problems in print is exactly what they need to feel a little better about themselves.
    In any case, on this and many other forums, in the end all that's happening is people are preaching to the choir and very few others.

    You've got me spot on. I am extremely jealous of all these cyclists and you're forcing me to realise that I only go to watch them in the hope I can see that some of them are as worthless as me. I rarely find this, so always leave disappointed. The smile on my face during & after these events is actually just a mask covering for the deep pain I feel.
    Please forgive me world.

    Heh heh. Sarcasm duly noted. Still, please explain to me, if you will, your theory on why people just love to hear dirt about famous celebs and rarely care whatever else these people have done with their lives. Dirt is all that matters.
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    dennisn wrote:
    RoadPainter wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, this crazily massive conspiracy to dope across an entire sport is absolutely fascinating.

    But hearing a knowlegable sports fan talk about Riis, Buyneel, Armstrong, Andreau, Hamilton, Millar, and know all about what they were shoving into their veins and nothing about what they did on the bike is pretty depressing!

    Of course it's fascinating and to bunches of people. It's dirt about famous people / celebs and that is what whole bunches of people want the hear. I attribute this fascination to jealousy. People want to know, and often hope, that the rich and famous have their fair share of problems too and seeing these problems in print is exactly what they need to feel a little better about themselves.
    In any case, on this and many other forums, in the end all that's happening is people are preaching to the choir and very few others.

    You've got me spot on. I am extremely jealous of all these cyclists and you're forcing me to realise that I only go to watch them in the hope I can see that some of them are as worthless as me. I rarely find this, so always leave disappointed. The smile on my face during & after these events is actually just a mask covering for the deep pain I feel.
    Please forgive me world.

    Heh heh. Sarcasm duly noted. Still, please explain to me, if you will, your theory on why people just love to hear dirt about famous celebs and rarely care whatever else these people have done with their lives. Dirt is all that matters.
    yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

    Go buy a Livestrong band and tell Lance how much you love him.
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    An open letter to LA from a resident of Austin:

    http://www.sebastianbraff.com/2012/07/dear-lance-armstrong.html

    Titter!
    That is brilliant
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    UCI statement here, apologies if someone already posted it.

    http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDe ... LangId%3D1
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    nathancom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    RoadPainter wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, this crazily massive conspiracy to dope across an entire sport is absolutely fascinating.

    But hearing a knowlegable sports fan talk about Riis, Buyneel, Armstrong, Andreau, Hamilton, Millar, and know all about what they were shoving into their veins and nothing about what they did on the bike is pretty depressing!

    Of course it's fascinating and to bunches of people. It's dirt about famous people / celebs and that is what whole bunches of people want the hear. I attribute this fascination to jealousy. People want to know, and often hope, that the rich and famous have their fair share of problems too and seeing these problems in print is exactly what they need to feel a little better about themselves.
    In any case, on this and many other forums, in the end all that's happening is people are preaching to the choir and very few others.

    You've got me spot on. I am extremely jealous of all these cyclists and you're forcing me to realise that I only go to watch them in the hope I can see that some of them are as worthless as me. I rarely find this, so always leave disappointed. The smile on my face during & after these events is actually just a mask covering for the deep pain I feel.
    Please forgive me world.

    Heh heh. Sarcasm duly noted. Still, please explain to me, if you will, your theory on why people just love to hear dirt about famous celebs and rarely care whatever else these people have done with their lives. Dirt is all that matters.
    yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

    Go buy a Livestrong band and tell Lance how much you love him.

    Enough with the same old tired crap everyone always says about me. At least try and come up with something tasty. Shows a definate lack of imagination.
    Tell me it's not true that ALL you want to hear about LA is dirt and nothing more.
    Tell me why you need to hear it, if you can or even know why. I'm betting that the more dirt you hear the better you feel, along with more than a few others on this forum. Tell me you're not scanning the web daily for fresh dirt. What if one of your lifelong friends did something wrong or illegal? Would you shun everything about him? Just throw him under the bus because that's all he deserves? See if you can actually answer the questions or all you can do iscall people names.
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    edited October 2012
    dual post sorry
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    dennisn wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    nathancom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    RoadPainter wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, this crazily massive conspiracy to dope across an entire sport is absolutely fascinating.

    But hearing a knowlegable sports fan talk about Riis, Buyneel, Armstrong, Andreau, Hamilton, Millar, and know all about what they were shoving into their veins and nothing about what they did on the bike is pretty depressing!

    Of course it's fascinating and to bunches of people. It's dirt about famous people / celebs and that is what whole bunches of people want the hear. I attribute this fascination to jealousy. People want to know, and often hope, that the rich and famous have their fair share of problems too and seeing these problems in print is exactly what they need to feel a little better about themselves.
    In any case, on this and many other forums, in the end all that's happening is people are preaching to the choir and very few others.

    You've got me spot on. I am extremely jealous of all these cyclists and you're forcing me to realise that I only go to watch them in the hope I can see that some of them are as worthless as me. I rarely find this, so always leave disappointed. The smile on my face during & after these events is actually just a mask covering for the deep pain I feel.
    Please forgive me world.

    Heh heh. Sarcasm duly noted. Still, please explain to me, if you will, your theory on why people just love to hear dirt about famous celebs and rarely care whatever else these people have done with their lives. Dirt is all that matters.
    yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

    Go buy a Livestrong band and tell Lance how much you love him.

    Enough with the same old tired crap everyone always says about me. At least try and come up with something tasty. Shows a definate lack of imagination.
    Tell me it's not true that ALL you want to hear about LA is dirt and nothing more.
    Tell me why you need to hear it, if you can or even know why. I'm betting that the more dirt you hear the better you feel, along with more than a few others on this forum. Tell me you're not scanning the web daily for fresh dirt. What if one of your lifelong friends did something wrong or illegal? Would you shun everything about him? Just throw him under the bus because that's all he deserves? See if you can actually answer the questions or if all you can do is come back with snappy answers like your last post.

    Enough with the same old tired crap.

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    nathancom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    RoadPainter wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, this crazily massive conspiracy to dope across an entire sport is absolutely fascinating.

    But hearing a knowlegable sports fan talk about Riis, Buyneel, Armstrong, Andreau, Hamilton, Millar, and know all about what they were shoving into their veins and nothing about what they did on the bike is pretty depressing!

    Of course it's fascinating and to bunches of people. It's dirt about famous people / celebs and that is what whole bunches of people want the hear. I attribute this fascination to jealousy. People want to know, and often hope, that the rich and famous have their fair share of problems too and seeing these problems in print is exactly what they need to feel a little better about themselves.
    In any case, on this and many other forums, in the end all that's happening is people are preaching to the choir and very few others.

    You've got me spot on. I am extremely jealous of all these cyclists and you're forcing me to realise that I only go to watch them in the hope I can see that some of them are as worthless as me. I rarely find this, so always leave disappointed. The smile on my face during & after these events is actually just a mask covering for the deep pain I feel.
    Please forgive me world.

    Heh heh. Sarcasm duly noted. Still, please explain to me, if you will, your theory on why people just love to hear dirt about famous celebs and rarely care whatever else these people have done with their lives. Dirt is all that matters.
    yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

    Go buy a Livestrong band and tell Lance how much you love him.

    Enough with the same old tired crap everyone always says about me. At least try and come up with something tasty. Shows a definate lack of imagination.
    Tell me it's not true that ALL you want to hear about LA is dirt and nothing more.
    Tell me why you need to hear it, if you can or even know why. I'm betting that the more dirt you hear the better you feel, along with more than a few others on this forum. Tell me you're not scanning the web daily for fresh dirt. What if one of your lifelong friends did something wrong or illegal? Would you shun everything about him? Just throw him under the bus because that's all he deserves? See if you can actually answer the questions or if all you can do is come back with snappy answers like your last post.

    Enough with the same old tired crap.

    Way to go. A good snappy responce. Just whay I expected. A lack of imagination.
    Are you capable of answering questions or not?
  • pussander
    pussander Posts: 6
    Enough with the same old tired crap everyone always says about me. At least try and come up with something tasty. Shows a definate lack of imagination.
    Tell me it's not true that ALL you want to hear about LA is dirt and nothing more.
    Tell me why you need to hear it, if you can or even know why. I'm betting that the more dirt you hear the better you feel, along with more than a few others on this forum. Tell me you're not scanning the web daily for fresh dirt. What if one of your lifelong friends did something wrong or illegal? Would you shun everything about him? Just throw him under the bus because that's all he deserves? See if you can actually answer the questions or all you can do iscall people names.

    Yes, we must understand Lance a little more & condemn him a little less.

    After all. It's not as if he became a multi-millionaire by cheating
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    dennisn wrote:
    ratsbeyfus wrote:

    Enough with the same old tired crap.

    Way to go. A good snappy responce. Just whay I expected. A lack of imagination.
    Are you capable of answering questions or not?

    Yep.

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    pussander wrote:
    Enough with the same old tired crap everyone always says about me. At least try and come up with something tasty. Shows a definate lack of imagination.
    Tell me it's not true that ALL you want to hear about LA is dirt and nothing more.
    Tell me why you need to hear it, if you can or even know why. I'm betting that the more dirt you hear the better you feel, along with more than a few others on this forum. Tell me you're not scanning the web daily for fresh dirt. What if one of your lifelong friends did something wrong or illegal? Would you shun everything about him? Just throw him under the bus because that's all he deserves? See if you can actually answer the questions or all you can do iscall people names.

    Yes, we must understand Lance a little more & condemn him a little less.

    After all. It's not as if he became a multi-millionaire by cheating

    You will fit right in here with those sarky comments..tho a word of warning their are a few ar*estrong fanboys on here ready to defend his "Principals" :mrgreen:
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    <RANT>I absolutely hate it when someone quotes enough previous posts to fill-up half a page so they can offer a 6 word reply - People, a little editing to quote just the previous post, or better yet relevant parts, it's not hard.Threads like this could be half the size, and much easier to follow. Yes I have the attention span of a goldfish, but I'm hardly alone in that.</RANT>
    Mmmm, that feels better.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Which race in Spain did Lance bail out of in 2000 because else he'd have been done for testosterone?
    _
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    nathancom wrote:
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    An open letter to LA from a resident of Austin:

    http://www.sebastianbraff.com/2012/07/dear-lance-armstrong.html

    Titter!
    That is brilliant

    Great stuff. What a prick indeed.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    dougzz wrote:
    <RANT>I absolutely hate it when someone quotes enough previous posts to fill-up half a page so they can offer a 6 word reply - People, a little editing to quote just the previous post, or better yet relevant parts, it's not hard.Threads like this could be half the size, and much easier to follow. Yes I have the attention span of a goldfish, but I'm hardly alone in that.</RANT>
    Mmmm, that feels better.
    Sorry.


















































    :D

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    dougzz wrote:
    <RANT>I absolutely hate it when someone quotes enough previous posts to fill-up half a page so they can offer a 6 word reply - People, a little editing to quote just the previous post, or better yet relevant parts, it's not hard.Threads like this could be half the size, and much easier to follow. Yes I have the attention span of a goldfish, but I'm hardly alone in that.</RANT>
    Mmmm, that feels better.

    I disagree with 90% of what you say but on this point you are spot on.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,438
    frenchfighter wrote:
    dougzz wrote:
    <RANT>I absolutely hate it when someone quotes enough previous posts to fill-up half a page so they can offer a 6 word reply - People, a little editing to quote just the previous post, or better yet relevant parts, it's not hard.Threads like this could be half the size, and much easier to follow. Yes I have the attention span of a goldfish, but I'm hardly alone in that.</RANT>
    Mmmm, that feels better.

    I disagree with 90% of what you say but on this point you are spot on.

    Couldn't agree more.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TailWindHome wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    dougzz wrote:
    <RANT>I absolutely hate it when someone quotes enough previous posts to fill-up half a page so they can offer a 6 word reply - People, a little editing to quote just the previous post, or better yet relevant parts, it's not hard.Threads like this could be half the size, and much easier to follow. Yes I have the attention span of a goldfish, but I'm hardly alone in that.</RANT>
    Mmmm, that feels better.

    I disagree with 90% of what you say but on this point you are spot on.

    Couldn't agree more.

    I mean, it's like people have never read the rules.


    :twisted:
    _
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    Another interesting read from the Indy:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 09762.html
    Un uomo solo al commando
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    Another interesting read from the Indy:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 09762.html

    Oh do keep up 007, I posted this earlier

    Funniest bit is he was nothing to do with CW since late 90s or something
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Nordhaug:
    http://www.vg.no/sport/sykkel/artikkel. ... d=10054930

    Something in there about Lance spending $5m on drugs
    Contador is the Greatest
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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    Contador is the Greatest
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Reading these affidavits I find it odd how all these people are able to remember exactly what the did in all these years. They remember names, places and dates. I wonder if a lot of them kept diaries or whether they have great memories.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Just checked a few wikis. Lance has all his victories there. Levi has 'void' for Jun 99 to Jul 06, then Tdf07. Hincapie has void May 04 to Jul 06.

    Anyone know why these exact dates? Why Hincapie has only from 04 and Levi has results in 07 that are not void?
    Contador is the Greatest
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Which race in Spain did Lance bail out of in 2000 because else he'd have been done for testosterone?

    Anyone?
    _
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Reading these affidavits I find it odd how all these people are able to remember exactly what the did in all these years. They remember names, places and dates. I wonder if a lot of them kept diaries or whether they have great memories.
    Yeah I have often wondered that though I guess a lot of it comes down to people helping them to reconstruct the dates and times. That must be bread and butter for your investigative journo/ghost writer. It must help in this digital age to be able to review recordings of old races to stimulate the memory. I imagine someone like Kimmage has all this material very carefully set out and recorded. No doubt people like him have been helping during the depositions.

    Rick it was the Vuelta.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Ah cheers.

    I like how you can easily hear the riders when their testemonies are quoted in the doc.

    Hincape's obviously a lot more concise than Hamilton.
    _

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