Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

Anonymous

sherer wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Matt White has fallen on his sword and admitted he was part of it.

any links to this yet Iain ?

viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12884118

Credit to wheelspinner for finding/posting

blazing_saddles

sherer wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Matt White has fallen on his sword and admitted he was part of it.

any links to this yet Iain ?

Now on CN, too:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/matt-wh ... confession

plectrum

le patron wrote:

plectrum wrote:

Could someone wise let me know why Armstrong went from Motorola to Cofidis then to Postal and not direct to Postal as Hincapie did.

According to Hamilton's book, Weisel and Armstrong didn't get on well first time round, their borderline psycho personalities too similar suspect.

Thanks but going hand in hand, whilst Motorola may well have had an endemic doping policy it's team was different to Postal in make up and directors and the recent testimony of the unknown dude at Postal in 1996/1997 stated how there were bags of steroids handed out to riders by the team doctor (ingestion and injection). As such Postal had an endemic doping policy led by doctors and management in place prior to Armstrong's arrival.

Now whilst it may well have become further sophisticated on his arrival I do not have all the evidence to comment but it does lend to the fact that he wasn't the initiator.

On the Motorola thing ..... JIM OCHOWICZ ..... BMC ..... surely needs to go too? If you are all for Matt White, Sean Yates or any oen not to spill their guts falling on the sword The original bad boy Jim at Motorola should take some responsibility?

Is this a super ploy by Sky - next seasons toru de france should be tricky for Bradley ...... unless perhaps there were no other teams!

Gazzetta67

Who's Next for the High Jump . Matt white today then .. :?:

johny c

Discussed today on BBC radio Scotland on John Beattie's programme, by Graeme Obree. Graeme's comments about 15.45 in are worth discussing:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/scotland/sw/sw_20121013-1332a.mp3

frenchfighter

johny c wrote:

Discussed today on BBC radio Scotland on John Beattie's programme, by Graeme Obree. Graeme's comments about 15.45 in are worth discussing:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/scotland/sw/sw_20121013-1332a.mp3

LOL! British Cycling Team!

frenchfighter

The Sunday Times may try and get their lucra back:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13056 ... trong.aspx

nathancom

frenchfighter wrote:

johny c wrote:

Discussed today on BBC radio Scotland on John Beattie's programme, by Graeme Obree. Graeme's comments about 15.45 in are worth discussing:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/scotland/sw/sw_20121013-1332a.mp3

LOL! British Cycling Team!

Eh, whatever. There are enough real stories right now.

Carry on worshipping Clenbutador.

frenchfighter

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/bla ... 16263.html

sherer

once LA was on Postal he got the first doctor fired and replaced with another doping doctor as the first wasn't prepared to dope them enough for LA. That's part of why he was the ring leader. He also made sure that anyone that wanted to ride the tour with him had to be on the doping programme and pressured CVV among others to dope

tommasi

johny c wrote:

Discussed today on BBC radio Scotland on John Beattie's programme, by Graeme Obree. Graeme's comments about 15.45 in are worth discussing:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/scotland/sw/sw_20121013-1332a.mp3

Someone shut that woman up.

symo

Bruyneel is gone. YAY!

mercsport

Betsy speaks: http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/bet ... wilderness

frenchfighter

Tour de Georgia 2005 Final GC

General classification after stage 5

[DOPERS]
1 Tom Danielson (USA) Discovery Channel 21.54.44
2 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Gerolsteiner 0.04
3 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.09
4 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 1.10
5 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel 1.41
6 David Zabriskie (USA) Team CSC 3.04
[DOPERS]
7 Marco Pinotti (Ita) Prodir - Saunier Duval 3.11

frenchfighter

Remember this guy getting shot down for not believing Tom D?

Well, I bet he is happy right now.

http://stevetilford.com/?p=21549

He has done a lot of posts since the news came out if you care to read them.

This one: http://stevetilford.com/?p=22105

frenchfighter

I meant to add Devolder's comments with JVB (same article).

"I’m shocked, because I never noticed anything,” said Devolder, who was part of the American squad from 2004 to 2007, and who will join the RadioShack team in 2013. “I can hardly believe it’s true. They always insisted we had to play by the rules. The team carried clean cycling high on its flag.”

LOL

Gazzetta67

frenchfighter wrote:

I meant to add Devolder's comments with JVB (same article).

"I’m shocked, because I never noticed anything,” said Devolder, who was part of the American squad from 2004 to 2007, and who will join the RadioShack team in 2013. “I can hardly believe it’s true. They always insisted we had to play by the rules. The team carried clean cycling high on its flag.”
LOL

Would that be the Skull & Crossbones flag ? didnt we have that flag before oh yes look how that one ended up.

What has devolder done since his flanders win ?

frenchfighter

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Da ... idavit.pdf

Para 35 and 49 are interesting.

He mention's nothing about doping early in his career. Makes me wonder whether he was supremely good or took drugs all the way from college.

Jez mon

I think he'd have little to gain from lying about not being on drugs sooner. Is it possible that Tom's an example of someone who was a natural talent but not a great responder?

TheBigBean

More from Brian Smith

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... z295WvcMJ9

Apologies if it has already been posted.

rick_chasey

There a good summery for all of this?

20 pages in a week is a lot to wade through even for a mod..

dougzz

Rick Chasey wrote:

There a good summery for all of this?
20 pages in a week is a lot to wade through even for a mod..

Yeah a few weak willed ninnies followed a really nasty piece of work to do bad things. A lot of people here suspected this for a long time and now are congratulating themselves. The real shocker is that bike racing was bent as a nine bob note for a very long time. But then this bloke from Kilburn kissed the frog and it was all sorted.

welshmessenger

Nice synopsis dougzz.

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

There a good summery for all of this?

20 pages in a week is a lot to wade through even for a mod..

The average BBC sport reader now thinks the same as your well informed BR forum reader with regard to Armstrong.

Otherwise, a few more people have been linked to Ferrari.

iainf72

Cover of tomorrows Observer sports section

slim_boy_fat

iainf72 wrote:

Cover of tomorrows Observer sports section

Seems like they won't be pulling any punches.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

There a good summery for all of this?

20 pages in a week is a lot to wade through even for a mod..

The average BBC sport reader now thinks the same as your well informed BR forum reader with regard to Armstrong.

Otherwise, a few more people have been linked to Ferrari.

Fair enough.

Any good juicy leaks or surprises?

I got the jist of Hincape from Gazette. Doped till 06?? Then stopped going uphill fast.

LangerDan

iainf72 wrote:

Cover of tomorrows Observer sports section

Looks like the love-child of Cav and Lance

RichN95.

iainf72 wrote:

Cover of tomorrows Observer sports section

I wish I could find proof of it, but I made that exact same Shepard Fairey gag about three years ago. Ironically, Fairey designed one of those Armstrong bikes back in 2009 (the best one IMO)

TheStone

Rick Chasey wrote:

Any good juicy leaks or surprises?

The main surprises have been how far the USADA document went and how none of the press (even in US) seem to be taking Lance's side.