Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    para 41-43
    http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Ja ... idavit.pdf

    It has been covered in an article on Cnews a few months back, but just worth another read for how the UCI are so bad, including Fat Pat, whom some (Roche and Millar) have praised...
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  • Richrd2205
    Richrd2205 Posts: 1,267
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Just checked a few wikis. Lance has all his victories there. Levi has 'void' for Jun 99 to Jul 06, then Tdf07. Hincapie has void May 04 to Jul 06.

    Anyone know why these exact dates? Why Hincapie has only from 04 and Levi has results in 07 that are not void?
    That'll be the dates that they admitted to doping in their affidavits.....
    :wink:
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Which race in Spain did Lance bail out of in 2000 because else he'd have been done for testosterone?

    Anyone?

    Tour of Valencia?

    http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/ ... l004.shtml
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    First time I've seen Axel Merckx's name mentioned. Para 49 of Frankie's
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    It wasn't the Vuelta btw, as he didn't ride it in 2000.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    First time I've seen Axel Merckx's name mentioned. Para 49 of Frankie's

    Loooong time customer of Ferraris
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Anyone come across article's from Le Mond since all this broke?
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  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    My bad, sorry!
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    does anyone know the percentages of USPS \ Disco riders that have admitted to doping \ been named against those that have stayed quiet or denied it all ?
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/FA ... change.pdf

    If you haven't seen it when it first came out a good while back, the IM convo between Vaughters and Andreu is worth reading.
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  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    Yeah that was very good, and came across as so natural and just an offhand conversation. It really shows how insiders viewed Lance.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/FA+Exhibit+J+2005-07-26+Vaughters+-+Andreu+IM+Exchange.pdf

    If you haven't seen it when it first came out a good while back, the IM convo between Vaughters and Andreu is worth reading.

    Its a load of nonsense though really. There is so much not true in it
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,438
    sherer wrote:
    does anyone know the percentages of USPS \ Disco riders that have admitted to doping \ been named against those that have stayed quiet or denied it all ?

    Some sort of chart would help at this stage.....
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  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    cycling@ipcmedia.com<cycling@ipcmedia.com>;

    "I had been taken aside by a number of riders and race organisers in the UK and abroad and had it explained to me in the clichéd words of one syllable why it was not in my interests to report certain things,"

    Why doesn't AS name names ? Riders and race officials please Andy.............
  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    TailWindHome wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    does anyone know the percentages of USPS \ Disco riders that have admitted to doping \ been named against those that have stayed quiet or denied it all ?

    Some sort of chart would help at this stage.....

    The Tyler book suggests it wasn't all of them, but a small inner circle (at least early on). So for now, I'm inclined to believe some of the 'lower' riders who say they weren't part of it.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TheStone wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    does anyone know the percentages of USPS \ Disco riders that have admitted to doping \ been named against those that have stayed quiet or denied it all ?

    Some sort of chart would help at this stage.....

    The Tyler book suggests it wasn't all of them, but a small inner circle (at least early on). So for now, I'm inclined to believe some of the 'lower' riders who say they weren't part of it.

    I'd imagine it's more a case of degree...
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  • RoadPainter
    RoadPainter Posts: 375
    It was the Vuelta al Pais Vasco by my reckoning.

    LA finished 27th on stage 4 (6th April) and then absent from final GC (race finished on the 7th)
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    RoadPainter wrote:
    It was the Vuelta al Pais Vasco by my reckoning.

    LA finished 27th on stage 4 (6th April) and then absent from final GC (race finished on the 7th)

    Hincapie didn't ride that though, which is why I think it's the Tour of Valencia. Still.
  • RoadPainter
    RoadPainter Posts: 375
    andyp wrote:
    RoadPainter wrote:
    It was the Vuelta al Pais Vasco by my reckoning.

    LA finished 27th on stage 4 (6th April) and then absent from final GC (race finished on the 7th)

    Hincapie didn't ride that though, which is why I think it's the Tour of Valencia. Still.
    Ah, good point! I stand corrected
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    dennisn wrote:
    Are you capable of answering questions or not?

    Definitive proof once and for all that Americans do understand irony.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Tom D was on £125k at Fassa as a 3rd year pro with no results of note. That's pretty astonishing. Not hard to see how all those involved made bucketloads of cash.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Tom D was on £125k at Fassa as a 3rd year pro with no results of note. That's pretty astonishing. Not hard to see how all those involved made bucketloads of cash.


    For real?

    Suhweeet.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Not only are the people running USPS total doped up animals, they are also nasty human beings and cared little for anyone except the chosen few.

    Lots of examples, but for one, take para 70 on Barry's. A terrible crash which looked life threatening yet no one from the team turned up to the hospital.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Tom D was on £125k at Fassa as a 3rd year pro with no results of note. That's pretty astonishing. Not hard to see how all those involved made bucketloads of cash.


    For real?

    Suhweeet.

    Yeah. Then stingy Johan asked him to join USPS for almost 40% less money....
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Lots of examples, but for one, take para 70 on Barry's. A terrible crash which looked life threatening yet no one from the team turned up to the hospital.

    http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Re ... cision.pdf

    You referring to this doc?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Tom D was on £125k at Fassa as a 3rd year pro with no results of note. That's pretty astonishing. Not hard to see how all those involved made bucketloads of cash.


    For real?

    Suhweeet.

    Yeah. Then stingy Johan asked him to join USPS for almost 40% less money....

    I KNEW I should have been a pro-cyclist.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It's a little oddly written this USADA stuff.

    They give justification for general sporting pre-amble AFTER giving it, and, for example, describe Landis as a "tough as nails climber".

    Is this just how Americans do formal writing?
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  • RoadPainter
    RoadPainter Posts: 375
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Lots of examples, but for one, take para 70 on Barry's. A terrible crash which looked life threatening yet no one from the team turned up to the hospital.

    http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Re ... cision.pdf

    You referring to this doc?
    resumably he's referring to Barry's affidavit. In the first link, there's a section for all the other evidence/appendices, it's in there (as well as a huge more stuff to read!)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pfft. Looks like I've got a lot of bedtime reading.

    Presumably it's worth reading. The doc I'm linking is quite enjoyable in an odd way.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Lots of examples, but for one, take para 70 on Barry's. A terrible crash which looked life threatening yet no one from the team turned up to the hospital.

    http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Re ... cision.pdf

    You referring to this doc?

    You don't appear to have found everything yet - just the main report. On the official site: http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/ look at the tabs on top and click the one saying 'Appendices and Supporting materials' - that's where all the good stuff is - like Zabriskie's EPO song and his concerns about the size of his ears.
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