Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Wiggins So the 2009 tour was just in our imaginations ? I'm sure thats armstrong alongside you on the Ventoux :?:0
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Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.reallyarunner wrote:Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
That lot can go in the fucking container with Trek as well. Straight in the ocean, good riddance. And black socks, he started black socks as well didnt he0 -
Gazzetta67 wrote:Wiggins So the 2009 tour was just in our imaginations ? I'm sure thats armstrong alongside you on the Ventoux :?:
People wanted him to come out and comment. He's done so. And unlike Sammy Sanchez he's said some reasonable stuff. Now let's not pick him apart because of one comment about racing against Armstrong, FFS.
Do you want pros to speak up or not?0 -
Don't hold back Nick, get it all off your chestNick Fitt wrote:Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.reallyarunner wrote:Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
That lot can go in the ******* container with Trek as well. Straight in the ocean, good riddance. And black socks, he started black socks as well didnt he
Know exactly how you feel though.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:dave milne wrote:Paul Sherwen has just tweeted this
Just read Tyler Hamilton's book The Secret Race in 2 days on the plane, now I have the background to my next 202 pages of reading
What utter BS. Isn't he an ex-Pro himself? He must have known exactly what was going on.
To be fair, when Sherwen was a pro, they probably didn't have derailleurs, let alone transfusions.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Nick Fitt wrote:Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.reallyarunner wrote:Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
That lot can go in the ******* container with Trek as well. Straight in the ocean, good riddance. And black socks, he started black socks as well didnt he
My new hero.... I give you Nick Fitt everyone 8)0 -
Turfle wrote:Wiggins calls evidence "damning", "overwhelming". Says Armstrong deserves everything he gets and he has no sympathy for him.
and gets roundly criticised.
I don't know why cyclists bother to speak.
Quite, the only thing some people would be satisfied hearing from his is a "yes, and I did it too! All of it! And I'd do it again I tell you! In an instant! Muah ha ha ha!" Then disappearing in a puff of smoke."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Richmond Racer wrote:Gazzetta67 wrote:Wiggins So the 2009 tour was just in our imaginations ? I'm sure thats armstrong alongside you on the Ventoux :?:
People wanted him to come out and comment. He's done so. And unlike Sammy Sanchez he's said some reasonable stuff. Now let's not pick him apart because of one comment about racing against Armstrong, FFS.
Do you want pros to speak up or not?
I'm NOT nit picking RR - If he cant remember the tour 09 were both armstrong and he were fighting for 3rd place....I even remember a quote from armstrong saying that he told wiggins....Your not gonna get my 3rd place. but he was adamant to the reporter that that was a fallacy.0 -
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Well, it would appear to be a fairly short surname...Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Gazzetta67 wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Gazzetta67 wrote:Wiggins So the 2009 tour was just in our imaginations ? I'm sure thats armstrong alongside you on the Ventoux :?:
People wanted him to come out and comment. He's done so. And unlike Sammy Sanchez he's said some reasonable stuff. Now let's not pick him apart because of one comment about racing against Armstrong, FFS.
Do you want pros to speak up or not?
I'm NOT nit picking RR - If he cant remember the tour 09 were both armstrong and he were fighting for 3rd place....I even remember a quote from armstrong saying that he told wiggins....Your not gonna get my 3rd place. but he was adamant to the reporter that that was a fallacy.
All right, G, whatever0 -
iainf72 wrote:Well, it would appear to be a fairly short surname...
would it have 5 letters?0 -
Gazzetta67 wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Gazzetta67 wrote:Wiggins So the 2009 tour was just in our imaginations ? I'm sure thats armstrong alongside you on the Ventoux :?:
People wanted him to come out and comment. He's done so. And unlike Sammy Sanchez he's said some reasonable stuff. Now let's not pick him apart because of one comment about racing against Armstrong, FFS.
Do you want pros to speak up or not?
I'm NOT nit picking RR - If he cant remember the tour 09 were both armstrong and he were fighting for 3rd place....I even remember a quote from armstrong saying that he told wiggins....Your not gonna get my 3rd place. but he was adamant to the reporter that that was a fallacy.
SO he's speaking spur of the moment, not a big, prepared statement and makes an error. What does this tell you? Why is it significant? What could he hope to gain from it, since its a matter of public record that he and Armstrong both rode in 09?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.reallyarunner wrote:Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
Oh c'mon now. Your surely smart enough to know that it's not about morals but about the MONEY. Tell me you knew this and it's not unbelievable???0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:Gazzetta67 wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Gazzetta67 wrote:Wiggins So the 2009 tour was just in our imaginations ? I'm sure thats armstrong alongside you on the Ventoux :?:
People wanted him to come out and comment. He's done so. And unlike Sammy Sanchez he's said some reasonable stuff. Now let's not pick him apart because of one comment about racing against Armstrong, FFS.
Do you want pros to speak up or not?
I'm NOT nit picking RR - If he cant remember the tour 09 were both armstrong and he were fighting for 3rd place....I even remember a quote from armstrong saying that he told wiggins....Your not gonna get my 3rd place. but he was adamant to the reporter that that was a fallacy.
SO he's speaking spur of the moment, not a big, prepared statement and makes an error. What does this tell you? Why is it significant? What could he hope to gain from it, since its a matter of public record that he and Armstrong both rode in 09?
Well the reporter asked him you both raced together - Wiggins said no thats a fallacy we only rode at the dauphine .....So you cant even remember who your closest rival was for the 3rd place podium in the BIGGEST RACE IN THE WORLD was that year. If anything he was just trying to be his usual awkward self on camera...Last am saying on the subject.0 -
I was just wondering why you thought it significant?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:I was just wondering why you thought it significant?
I didnt mention the word significant. was not only me who picked up on it.0 -
It seems to have become more important than the whole Wiggins strongly condemning Armstrong point of the interview though.0
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Richmond Racer wrote:reallyarunner wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:reallyarunner wrote:Just seen Dowsett interview on BBC news. What a bell end. Graeme Obree interviewed and not very complimentary about him. Headline on SSN is 'Wiggins says Lance Armstrong deserves all he gets following publication of report'. Cav hasnt tweeted for over a month now.....or maybe he has blocked me
Why, did you troll him and get blocked? :roll:
Cav's clearly been off Twitter since the Sky divorce discussions started....
No....it was a joke.....
Sure, he's been off twitter but I would have liked to see him come out and make a statement a la Wiggo.
Listening to Wiggo though he says he only raced against Armstrong once, and that was in 2004 at Criterium International...has he forgotten about the 2009 tour?
Its been the V&Ts since he stopped for the season...temp memory loss
LOL When a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift0 -
Wiggins also raced the Giro with Armstrong in 2009 - LA DNF
I think today the Brits come out of this pretty poorly - Wiggins odd comment, Dowsett 'legend', Cummings focus on the charity, Yates 'I know nuffink guvnor', Hammond seeing and hearing nothing and why isn't everyone else banned for life, Brailsford 'shocked, so shocked' when the writing's been on the wall for how long?, Team Sky - Leinders, Barry and possibly Possini... and Julich?
I think it shows where cycling sits in the mainstream media here and the lack of testing questions... I do hope that pro cycling doesn't equally sit in in the past here in other ways.0 -
Snorebens wrote:Wiggins also raced the Giro with Armstrong in 2009 - LA DNF
I think today the Brits come out of this pretty poorly - Wiggins odd comment, Dowsett 'legend', Cummings focus on the charity, Yates 'I know nuffink guvnor', Hammond seeing and hearing nothing and why isn't everyone else banned for life, Brailsford 'shocked, so shocked' when the writing's been on the wall for how long?, Team Sky - Leinders, Barry and possibly Possini... and Julich?
I think it shows where cycling sits in the mainstream media here and the lack of testing questions... I do hope that pro cycling doesn't equally sit in in the past here in other ways.
You better watch out Snorebens the "Forum Police" will want to know why you picked out these SIGNIFICANT points even tho you did not mention the word !!! good luck trying to convince them.
PS agree totally on what you have just mentioned.0 -
To use a phrase from another thread, Lance post comeback was a bit of a non-entity. I think Wiggo can be forgiven for forgetting him!You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
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i think the real issue with Wiggins is he said that basically he knew what was going on. The UCI need to look into why riders weren't able to raise concerns with them earlier if they all knew what was going on.
Still seems to be too much of an old guard and omerta with people saying they didn't know, think he's innocent etc etc0 -
Lefevre isn’t naïve, he’s untrustworthy.andyp wrote:I see Partick Leferve is naive too;
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/we-didn ... s-lefevere
Do these goons expect us to believe this bullshit?
Even without the USADA revelations, it’s documented that Leipheimer was caught doping as an amateur in 1996 and had to give back a title he won then, and two years ago, first Landis mentioned Leipheimer in connection with doping, then former DS, Holczer, wrote in his book (about his time at Gerolsteiner) that he didn’t renew Leipheimer’s contract at the end of 2006 because he felt sure, based on blood values, that Leipheimer was doping.
If Lefevre were so ignorant as he says about his riders, then he shouldn’t be a DS, but I just don’t believe him.
Lefevre has been into doping for years. A few years ago, he admitted to doping when he was a rider (1970s) and he is supposed to have allowed doping in the Mapei and Quick-Step teams where he was DS (and I think few people nowadays would contest what went on at Mapei, and I wonder where Lefevre drew the line between 'allowed' and 'promoted').0 -
knedlicky wrote:
Lefevre isn’t naïve, he’s untrustworthy.andyp wrote:I see Partick Leferve is naive too;
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/we-didn ... s-lefevere
Do these goons expect us to believe this bullshit?
Even without the USADA revelations, it’s documented that Leipheimer was caught doping as an amateur in 1996 and had to give back a title he won then, and two years ago, first Landis mentioned Leipheimer in connection with doping, then former DS, Holczer, wrote in his book (about his time at Gerolsteiner) that he didn’t renew Leipheimer’s contract at the end of 2006 because he felt sure, based on blood values, that Leipheimer was doping.
If Lefevre were so ignorant as he says about his riders, then he shouldn’t be a DS, but I just don’t believe him.
Lefevre has been into doping for years. A few years ago, he admitted to doping when he was a rider (1970s) and he is supposed to have allowed doping in the Mapei and Quick-Step teams where he was DS (and I think few people nowadays would contest what went on at Mapei, and I wonder where Lefevre drew the line between 'allowed' and 'promoted').
This is what needs to change. Lefevre competed at a time when everyone doped, but most did exactly the same as others. As such he believes the mantra you have to dope to compete, until these people are removed from the sport nothing will change0 -
Yates's denial:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/yates-d ... el-in-2005Yates claimed that his role was just to drive the Discovery Channel team car and come up with team tactics.
“I was with Lance in 2005, for his last Tour win. Before that I was working with another team....."
What team would that be, Sean?
The Giro winning Paolo Savoldelli team, I seem to recall. :roll:"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
