Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • Wallace1492
    Wallace1492 Posts: 3,707
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    reallyarunner wrote:
    Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
    Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.

    WOODS? FFS He did nothing illegal, he never gained an unfail illegal advantage at his sport. So, he played away, but what has that to do with his sporting prowess or backing from sponsors?
    Where did I say he did anything illegal?

    You didn't, and I never said you did. Just making the pont that the cases are hugely different. Systemic doping and drug cheating is vastly different from having a few affairs away from the sport.
    "Encyclopaedia is a fetish for very small bicycles"
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    reallyarunner wrote:
    Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
    Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.

    WOODS? FFS He did nothing illegal, he never gained an unfail illegal advantage at his sport. So, he played away, but what has that to do with his sporting prowess or backing from sponsors?
    Where did I say he did anything illegal?

    You didn't, and I never said you did. Just making the pont that the cases are hugely different. Systemic doping and drug cheating is vastly different from having a few affairs away from the sport.
    I was talking about morals and many people, me included, find what they both did morally reprehensible. Woods built his image as a clean cut athlete and Nike promoted him as such, the truth is something far removed from that both in terms of his on course behaviour and his personal life, that to me is also cheating. However, I wasn't comparing the two I was making the point that big business still backs these people because they know it makes them money.
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    reallyarunner wrote:
    Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
    Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.

    WOODS? FFS He did nothing illegal, he never gained an unfail illegal advantage at his sport. So, he played away, but what has that to do with his sporting prowess or backing from sponsors?
    Where did I say he did anything illegal?

    You didn't, and I never said you did. Just making the pont that the cases are hugely different. Systemic doping and drug cheating is vastly different from having a few affairs away from the sport.

    12 holes in 1 :mrgreen:
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    gattocattivo wrote:
    knedlicky wrote:
    Don’t think I’m particularly against Hincapie. Of biggish domestiques who suddenly win mountain stages, like iainf72, I’m equally suspicious of Voigt.

    I had no idea iainf72 was a sizeable domestique with surprise mountain palmares

    He's definitely one of these. :wink:
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    reallyarunner wrote:
    Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
    Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.

    WOODS? FFS He did nothing illegal, he never gained an unfail illegal advantage at his sport. So, he played away, but what has that to do with his sporting prowess or backing from sponsors?

    +1
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    I don't dislike Wiggins. Just fyi, comments from pervious by him:

    ''We've got the makings of an incredible team with Richie Porte, Michael Rogers and Chris Froome" he said. "This is by far the best team we've had on paper. All of a sudden we've got one of the strongest teams in cycling. It's like the old Postal days. I have visions of five or six guys ahead of me in the mountains and Cav out the back! But he'll have green so it won't matter".

    Bradley Wiggins, Cycling Weekly, 26th January.

    "I love [Lance]," Wiggins said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it."
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  • Wallace1492
    Wallace1492 Posts: 3,707
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    reallyarunner wrote:
    Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
    Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.

    WOODS? FFS He did nothing illegal, he never gained an unfail illegal advantage at his sport. So, he played away, but what has that to do with his sporting prowess or backing from sponsors?
    Where did I say he did anything illegal?

    You didn't, and I never said you did. Just making the pont that the cases are hugely different. Systemic doping and drug cheating is vastly different from having a few affairs away from the sport.
    I was talking about morals and many people, me included, find what they both did morally reprehensible. Woods built his image as a clean cut athlete and Nike promoted him as such, the truth is something far removed from that both in terms of his on course behaviour and his personal life, that to me is also cheating. However, I wasn't comparing the two I was making the point that big business still backs these people because they know it makes them money.

    Not disagreeing with you. Though in the case of Woods, he has a very strong, winning personality, rather like Lance. However, I don't believe that Woods is a sporting cheat. Big business backs them as they make money, yes, but that relies on public support. If the public turned against this backing, it would soon change, $ and £ speak quite loudly.
    "Encyclopaedia is a fetish for very small bicycles"
  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    What next for Lance?

    Hide away, say nothing, deal with a few lawsuits and get on with his life.

    Or, a tearful apology? "I only kept the lie going for my charity and sufferers around the world"
    (... but that could be costly).

    Or, fight ... unlikely.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Quote:
    @gayle_seren_pr
    So many requests today for interviews for my guys about Lance... wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

    She's Geraint Thomas and Ben Swift's (among others) PR advisor. Not Alex Dowsett's though obviously!
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    ''Hi Guys,

    I just wanted to set the record straight as some things have not been clear in my comments reported in the press today. When I was quoted saying Lance Armstrong is a legend, this was in regard to the charity work he has done, also when I said it doesn't matter, what I mean is that we are racing clean now and it is a different sport to what it was back then.

    I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, I was just about to start Stage 3 of the Tour of Beijing and I wasn't clear in my thoughts.

    I do think what Lance has done is completely unacceptable.

    Hope you're all well

    Alex''

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/alex-...94994627237242
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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    reallyarunner wrote:
    Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
    Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.

    WOODS? FFS He did nothing illegal, he never gained an unfail illegal advantage at his sport. So, he played away, but what has that to do with his sporting prowess or backing from sponsors?
    Where did I say he did anything illegal?

    You didn't, and I never said you did. Just making the pont that the cases are hugely different. Systemic doping and drug cheating is vastly different from having a few affairs away from the sport.
    I was talking about morals and many people, me included, find what they both did morally reprehensible. Woods built his image as a clean cut athlete and Nike promoted him as such, the truth is something far removed from that both in terms of his on course behaviour and his personal life, that to me is also cheating. However, I wasn't comparing the two I was making the point that big business still backs these people because they know it makes them money.

    Not disagreeing with you. Though in the case of Woods, he has a very strong, winning personality, rather like Lance. However, I don't believe that Woods is a sporting cheat. Big business backs them as they make money, yes, but that relies on public support. If the public turned against this backing, it would soon change, $ and £ speak quite loudly.
    And that was my whole point ;)
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Lionel Birnie‏@lioneljbirnie

    Hammering a guy who was 10 when Lance won his first Tour... But letting the bosses get away with claiming shock, disbelief. Weird old media.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    The image tweeted by Paddy Power:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A48WRlrCIAIFbsw.jpg
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Wiggins' col in Guardian:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oc ... CMP=twt_gu
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    edited October 2012
    Reactions below, including Webber and Alonso:

    http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0 ... 70,00.html
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Love the paddy power tweet pic. Have posted to FB - see how long it lasts.

    Also the quote by Birnie hits the nail on the head. What the hell....especially the BBC posting stupid tabloid drivel.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    "It's very disappointing. We've seen some hard evidence and we've seen 11 of his team-mates say they doped. I was a team-mate of Lance for a short period of time but for me he's a liar, a cheat and I think he's guilty.

    I can hold my head high, I said no and fortunately I wasn't brought up in that culture. But I don't believe the riders are all to blame here - the back-up team and management need to hold their hands up too. I suspect there are people who have been given something without knowing what's in it.

    You've also got to remember there was no test for the drug then - it's like a criminal being one step ahead of the law. They were very difficult to catch. But it's great this has come out. We don't have to judge on what someone has said, there's no hard evidence and you can read the pages of the dossier and decide for yourself.

    Of the other 11 team-mates that have come out and said sorry and given their excuses for why they doped, well for me sorry is not good enough.

    They've made so much money from cycling. Ok they say they stopped doping a few years ago and have been trying to educate people, but that's not good enough for me. I was a cyclist who was clean all my career but I don't have the big houses these guys do."

    -Brian Smith

    and:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... ds-newsxml
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Cancellera : Bruyneels name appears on 129 of the 200 pages. I don't know if I can still work with him.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    More from the Chin monster

    "Because of Lance Armstrong the first years of my career were wasted"
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Wasted how?
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Wasted how?

    Maybe he had to put up with Ferretti's sub standard doping? :P

    No idea - He's been interviewed in some Belgium press I think
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Wiggins saved from doping like Lance by Boardman:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... n%2BMcEvoy
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Iain, Basso said anything? Quite tight weren't they on one occasion.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Daniel Benson
    @dnlbenson
    TDU paid Armstrong millions of taxpayer dollars, used his image for marketing but have "no comment on Armstrong" after USADA report
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Iain, Basso said anything? Quite tight weren't they on one occasion.

    Nope. Wouldn't think he would, considering he did a month or two on Disco and would've been involved in the programme.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • andyrr
    andyrr Posts: 1,823
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Wasted how?

    Well I haven't looked to see where Cancallara's career as in relation to Lance but you could derive from that comment that USPS's strength killed off other rider's chances to do well and even win sometimes, eg hammering for many K's with riders getting dropped left right and centre, not able to keep pace with their driving at the front of the peleton.
    I think this is one of the main things from that era - the doped riders caused others, maybe naturally weaker or those that were clean, from being able to get their chances of glory.
    Although he rode for Fasso who, from Danielson's testimnony, were running their own (smaller) program but that is not to say necessarily he doped.
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Rudy Pevenage ; I am shocked at the UASDA report :roll:
  • TheStone
    TheStone Posts: 2,291
    iainf72 wrote:
    Cancellera : Bruyneels name appears on 129 of the 200 pages. I don't know if I can still work with him.

    :shock:
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  • heavymental
    heavymental Posts: 2,091
    You do have to wonder where Lance goes from here. The headlines are big enough and the tone is sure enough to mean that public opinion is definitely changed now, even in the states. He is surely at a point now where he is going to get abuse when he steps out of his front door etc. Surely the only way forward is to come clean? He must still be paying his lawyers a lot of money to trot out the 'hatchet job' lines but surely he needs to start paying the PR guys for some damage limitation advice.

    On the subject of Voigt, I remember reading somewhere about a day he'd spent with a blind kid riding a tandem with him and spending the day chatting with him and his family. They were really stoked about the whole day and was obvious the kid was over the moon. I don't think any of his mixing with the public is for show. I think he's a genuinely good guy. Maybe he's hung with some tainted people but he's always said he hasn't doped so although it's always prudent to have some kind of doubt... I think he's clean

    Re Wiggos comments in January, just the usual off the cuff comments about a figure in the sport isn't it. Lance did make it a global sport and got a load of sponsors onboard. That's all he was saying.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    B3rnieMac wrote:
    anyone making guesses as to the names of the redacted riders in the affidavits?

    Taken from a Belgian forum:

    1 Paolo Savoldelli
    2 Manuel Beltran
    3 Adriano Baffi
    4 Bobby Julich
    5 Jose Luis Rubiera
    6 Pavel Padrnos
    7 Roberto Heras
    8 Victor Hugo Pena
    9 Matthew White
    10 Jose Azevedo
    11 Vyatcheslav Ekimov
    12 Benjamin Noval
    13 Chann McRae
    14 Michael Rasmussen
    15 Chris Horner
    16 Yaroslav Popovych
    17 Marty Jemison?
    18 Dylan Casey
    19 Steffen Kjaergaard
    20 Benoit Joachim
    21 Tony Cruz
    22 =EPO song

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