Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    LangerDan wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Emma O'Reilly on ITV news @10 - Do you feel sorry for Lance !!!! NO you dont feel sorry for Lance He's NEVER the victim he never will be Lance wouldnt know respect :mrgreen:

    For someone who is being placed up on the same pedestal as Betsy Andreu, she was extremely complicit in the logistics of the USPS programme.

    To be honest LD i dont know much about her testimony. she did say she drove to spain to get the "Stuff" they said she was british sounded more Irish than Sean Kelly and thats saying something :D
  • Team4Luke
    Team4Luke Posts: 597
    he said this has been a long time coming.

    here you go, radio here:-
    http://www.wave965.com/news/videos/lanc ... -evidence/
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  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Team4Luke wrote:
    he said this has been a long time coming.

    here you go, radio here:-
    http://www.wave965.com/news/videos/lanc ... -evidence/

    Your about 5 hours behind with this mate already been posted :D
  • Team4Luke
    Team4Luke Posts: 597
    just replied to t'other above who asked, it was only on my radio few minutes ago :lol:
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Emma O'Reilly on ITV news @10 - Do you feel sorry for Lance !!!! NO you dont feel sorry for Lance He's NEVER the victim he never will be Lance wouldnt know respect :mrgreen:

    For someone who is being placed up on the same pedestal as Betsy Andreu, she was extremely complicit in the logistics of the USPS programme.

    To be honest LD i dont know much about her testimony. she did say she drove to spain to get the "Stuff" they said she was british sounded more Irish than Sean Kelly and thats saying something :D


    She did fetch and carry the dirties for the team for sure
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Team4Luke wrote:
    he said this has been a long time coming.

    here you go, radio here:-
    http://www.wave965.com/news/videos/lanc ... -evidence/

    Your about 5 hours behind with this mate already been posted :D

    I hadn't seen it.... this thread is moving pretty fast.
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Team4Luke wrote:
    just replied to t'other above who asked, it was only on my radio few minutes ago :lol:

    Apologies
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Emma O'Reilly on ITV news @10 - Do you feel sorry for Lance !!!! NO you dont feel sorry for Lance He's NEVER the victim he never will be Lance wouldnt know respect :mrgreen:

    For someone who is being placed up on the same pedestal as Betsy Andreu, she was extremely complicit in the logistics of the USPS programme.

    To be honest LD i dont know much about her testimony. she did say she drove to spain to get the "Stuff" they said she was british sounded more Irish than Sean Kelly and thats saying something :D

    She's Irish - from Dublin - but she's living in England now.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    I know Inner Ring mentioned ousting Fat Pat could lead to more problems due to this so its a tricky situation. Guess it comes down to which dirty, incompetant prick we prefer?

    I don't know. Which would Kimmage prefer - being sued for six grand or being shot on his doorstep.


    (I don't think Makarov is actually that bad - I just think any Russian oligarch is rotten to the core)
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  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    edited October 2012
    RichN95 wrote:
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    I know Inner Ring mentioned ousting Fat Pat could lead to more problems due to this so its a tricky situation. Guess it comes down to which dirty, incompetant prick we prefer?

    I don't know. Which would Kimmage prefer - being sued for six grand or being shot on his doorstep.


    (I don't think Makarov is actually that bad - I just think any Russian oligarch is rotten to the core)

    I wonder which one of those options Armstrong would prefer? (relating to Kimmage)
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Recording of Barry being interviewed on Canadian radio today - just listening to it now

    http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/popupaudio ... 2289678440

    if that doesnt work, go via
    http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    sherer wrote:
    knedlicky wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    I see Partick Leferve is naive too;

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/we-didn ... s-lefevere

    Do these goons expect us to believe this bullshit?
    Lefevre isn’t naïve, he’s untrustworthy.

    Even without the USADA revelations, it’s documented that Leipheimer was caught doping as an amateur in 1996 and had to give back a title he won then, and two years ago, first Landis mentioned Leipheimer in connection with doping, then former DS, Holczer, wrote in his book (about his time at Gerolsteiner) that he didn’t renew Leipheimer’s contract at the end of 2006 because he felt sure, based on blood values, that Leipheimer was doping.
    If Lefevre were so ignorant as he says about his riders, then he shouldn’t be a DS, but I just don’t believe him.

    Lefevre has been into doping for years. A few years ago, he admitted to doping when he was a rider (1970s) and he is supposed to have allowed doping in the Mapei and Quick-Step teams where he was DS (and I think few people nowadays would contest what went on at Mapei, and I wonder where Lefevre drew the line between 'allowed' and 'promoted').
    This is what needs to change. Lefevre competed at a time when everyone doped, but most did exactly the same as others. As such he believes the mantra you have to dope to compete, until these people are removed from the sport nothing will change
    You're probably right about Lefevre but one shouldn't necessily remove everyone who ever doped - people do change and I imagine the likes of Madiot, Zabel and Yates have changed their attitudes and now know what path to follow.
    Anyway, how are you going to prevent former dopers being involved in the sport and with what justification - could mean you lose Sean Kelly as co-commentator and end up with another Hugh Porter!
  • Team4Luke
    Team4Luke Posts: 597
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Team4Luke wrote:
    just replied to t'other above who asked, it was only on my radio few minutes ago :lol:

    Apologies


    yea this thread is moving faster than a US Postal TTT :wink:
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    French media seems to think victories by those witnesses now banned for 6 months, i.e. victories which occurred during the time when they admitted to doping, will now be struck out of the record books.
    This mean Hincapie’s win at Pla d’Adet will go, about which (sorry Mad Rapper) I’m pleased, because it always seemed to me suspicious and anyway he took tow all the way.

    I suppose Hincapie will, however, continue to call the 300-acre training village in South Carolina, in which he has major ownership, Pla d’Adet. It’s one of the places where Hincapie invested his money for guaranteed future returns. Some dopers continue to win.

    Or maybe we should congratulate those dopers with the nouse to invest – I imagine several other dopers didn't and will end up driving lorries for building firms. I think I heard that’s what Pollentier ended up doing – although there was a difference between him and Hincapie/LA/etc; he got caught.


    Don’t think I’m particularly against Hincapie. Of biggish domestiques who suddenly win mountain stages, like iainf72, I’m equally suspicious of Voigt.
    And even if Voigt is clean, in his role as spokesmen for professional cyclists, I think Voigt should be more critical of identified dopers, but he fails every time. Heavymental wrote, that Voigt makes it clear what he thinks of dopers but I don’t think that at all true – he hedges. He even welcomed LA’s return after the first retirement.

    I think people are often fooled into liking Voigt because he comes over as cheerful and jolly, is mildly intelligent and chatty, has a ‘clean’ demeanour and blue-eyed looks, and is prepared to briefly mix well with the plebs.

    And I admit I used to like him once (because I admired how he, when with Credit Agricole, adjusted so well into the French way-of-life, taking with enthusiasm to even the most unusual French tastes in food and culture).
    But later, I recognised that’s like me judging who might be a good specialist doctor to consult, when seriously ill, based on hearing the doctor supports the same football team as me.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    (Re: Wiggo's interview)

    Quite moving.
    Shame the mention of 'nearly 15 years ago' not 'actually its quite scary that some of those mentioned are heavily involved STILL in the sport today'


    Yates, anyone?
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Travis Tygart for President !
  • gattocattivo
    gattocattivo Posts: 500
    knedlicky wrote:
    Don’t think I’m particularly against Hincapie. Of biggish domestiques who suddenly win mountain stages, like iainf72, I’m equally suspicious of Voigt.

    I had no idea iainf72 was a sizeable domestique with surprise mountain palmares
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    knedlicky wrote:
    I think people are often fooled into liking Voigt because he comes over as cheerful and jolly, is mildly intelligent and chatty, has a ‘clean’ demeanour and blue-eyed looks, and is prepared to briefly mix well with the plebs.
    What's the problem then. from what you've said(and don't think for a minute I believe you have any first hand knowledge of the man) he sounds like an alright guy. Yet because he doesn't do what YOU think HE should do you label him unacceptable.
    What a joke.
  • Nick Fitt
    Nick Fitt Posts: 381
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Emma O'Reilly on ITV news @10 - Do you feel sorry for Lance !!!! NO you dont feel sorry for Lance He's NEVER the victim he never will be Lance wouldnt know respect :mrgreen:

    For someone who is being placed up on the same pedestal as Betsy Andreu, she was extremely complicit in the logistics of the USPS programme.

    To be honest LD i dont know much about her testimony. she did say she drove to spain to get the "Stuff" they said she was british sounded more Irish than Sean Kelly and thats saying something :D


    She did fetch and carry the dirties for the team for sure

    From memory in LA Confidentiel, she stated dumping bags once and collecting epo from Spain once with her boyfriend. I recall she was on the way out then, might be wrong.

    To be honest, everyone knew what was going on (except American fans and seemingly Trek and Nike), its crazy to be having a huge argument over who did or did not know or who also did dope. The big issue is how to sort this mess out and who is to sort it out.
  • Bordersroadie
    Bordersroadie Posts: 1,052
    I often wonder what he tells his kids. Does he lie to them about it as well?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    knedlicky wrote:
    I think people are often fooled into liking Voigt because he comes over as cheerful and jolly, is mildly intelligent and chatty, has a ‘clean’ demeanour and blue-eyed looks, and is prepared to briefly mix well with the plebs.

    Look at what Bella Jorg said about him, Hamilton's comment in his book, the teams he's ridden for over the years. Even his biggest fan would have to err on the side of caution and think he might have done some stuff.

    Like Hincapie, a lovely bloke probably.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    This made me giggle:
    He has made some mistakes, and I think he has learnt from them

    That's Big Mick talking about his friend Ferrari there...
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    - Johan Bruyneel has pressured practitioners who initially wanted to work clean to dope himself, a former cycling pro Mads Kaggestads conclusion after having put into evidence.

    - He is in my eyes a villain. A mafia boss. A facilitator for all that appears. He has brought the sport into disrepute. I hope the Board of cycling team he is a part of dismisses him as quickly as possible, says Kaggestad, now 2 TV expert, told Dagbladet.

    Bruyneel, who is still sporting director of RadioShack-Nissan, is scheduled for a hearing with USADA in the coming months.

    - He can not stand there and lie under oath, after all that has now come to the table, said Kaggestad.

    http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/10/11/spor ... /23819198/


    Some quotes from Alexander Kristoff and LP Nordhaug from Norwegian TV2 today:

    AK: It seems totally sick what's been going on. I hope and believe it's better now. It seems insane that a whole team can be doing what US Postal have done.

    LPN: It seems to have been a crazy scheme in US Postal. It's hard to believe other teams have operated the same way but the probability that other teams had doping programs is large.

    AK: I feel times are different now but riders still get caught doping.

    TV2: How can we trust that it is clean?

    AK: You can't trust that it is. A Frenchman was just caught. I believe it's cleaner but it's still not 100% clean.

    http://www.tv2.no/sport/sykkel/krist...t-3897637.html
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  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    Harmon making a few comments on Eurosport today, interesting that it is with Maggie in the commentary box rather than Smith. Says it is because he has had the chance to read some of the documentation. Main points:

    - Armstrong not the kind of person you'd want to be around for too long, (one beer would be enough!)
    - Scale of the revelations is shocking but anyone who is surprised by them (or think they are jaw dropping like Brailsford) are either naive or pandering to the crowd
    - Backstedt thinks Brailsford was meaning the extent of it at USPS was jaw dropping and saying he himself wasn't aware of the full history of people he was with at Garmin
    - Backstedt also thinks that UCI need to be separate from anti-doping like Vaughters
    - Harmon thinks playing the whole inspirational charity fund raiser role off the back of doping is much worse than the act of cheating itself
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  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    thegibdog wrote:
    Harmon making a few comments on Eurosport today, interesting that it is with Maggie in the commentary box rather than Smith. Says it is because he has had the chance to read some of the documentation. Main points:

    - Armstrong not the kind of person you'd want to be around for too long, (one beer would be enough!)
    - Scale of the revelations is shocking but anyone who is surprised by them (or think they are jaw dropping like Brailsford) are either naive or pandering to the crowd
    - Backstedt thinks Brailsford was meaning the extent of it at USPS was jaw dropping and saying he himself wasn't aware of the full history of people he was with at Garmin
    - Backstedt also thinks that UCI need to be separate from anti-doping like Vaughters
    - Harmon thinks playing the whole inspirational charity fund raiser role off the back of doping is much worse than the act of cheating itself

    I like Harmon.
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  • Wallace1492
    Wallace1492 Posts: 3,707
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    reallyarunner wrote:
    Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
    Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.

    WOODS? FFS He did nothing illegal, he never gained an unfail illegal advantage at his sport. So, he played away, but what has that to do with his sporting prowess or backing from sponsors?
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  • Nick Fitt
    Nick Fitt Posts: 381
    This is interesting; http://www.statesman.com/search/?q=lanc ... rong&type= Its LAs local newspaper, the report isnt great and not even written 'locally' I thibnk it comes from the AP news wire.

    Whats more interesting is you have to search really hard to find it! http://www.statesman.com/
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Fair play to Harmon. I wasn't sure what he would say but that seems to set the right tone.
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Anyone seen or heard from Lance's No1 Fanboy Moray Gub ????? Am really shocked he's not been on...NOT !!!! 8)
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    reallyarunner wrote:
    Nike backing Armstrong.... unbelievable.....
    Unbelievable how big business will ignore morals if its good for their balance sheet. Woods, Vick and now Armstrong, quite a ménage a trois right there.

    WOODS? FFS He did nothing illegal, he never gained an unfail illegal advantage at his sport. So, he played away, but what has that to do with his sporting prowess or backing from sponsors?
    Where did I say he did anything illegal?

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