Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

Gazzetta67

oneof1982 wrote:

Yates on 5Live this morning. "I never saw nuffin" :shock:

Oh Really Sean Were all surprised to hear that :roll:

Who was the nuggett on saying how can you beleive 11 ex-team mates stories....why didnt they all come out years ago...If these nobs are going to come onto a radio programme then look at all the FACTS...it's embarrassing that some still want to defend this charlatan.

As for Brailsford now saying he's "Dissapointed" in Michael Barry FFs ???? - who is he trying to kid.

frenchfighter

Thanks Blazing.

Just reading CVV's statement and in there he says referring to CSC, 'outside the pressure of an organised team doping program'

itisaboutthebike

Yates on 5Live this morning. "I never saw nuffin"

Yeah really............

MaxwellBygraves

The Daily Mash on form: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/spo ... 2101144612

LangerDan

Gazzetta67 wrote:

oneof1982 wrote:

Yates on 5Live this morning. "I never saw nuffin" :shock:

Oh Really Sean Were all surprised to hear that :roll:

Who was the nuggett on saying how can you beleive 11 ex-team mates stories....why didnt they all come out years ago...If these nobs are going to come onto a radio programme then look at all the FACTS...it's embarrassing that some still want to defend this charlatan.

As for Brailsford now saying he's "Dissapointed" in Michael Barry FFs ???? - who is he trying to kid.

So thats at least four Sky personnel who have either admitted doping or are looking something less than spotless. (Barry, Yates, Leinders and possibly Possoni)?

MrTapir

LangerDan wrote:

Gazzetta67 wrote:

oneof1982 wrote:

Yates on 5Live this morning. "I never saw nuffin" :shock:

Oh Really Sean Were all surprised to hear that :roll:

Who was the nuggett on saying how can you beleive 11 ex-team mates stories....why didnt they all come out years ago...If these nobs are going to come onto a radio programme then look at all the FACTS...it's embarrassing that some still want to defend this charlatan.

As for Brailsford now saying he's "Dissapointed" in Michael Barry FFs ???? - who is he trying to kid.

So thats at least four Sky personnel who have either admitted doping or are looking something less than spotless. (Barry, Yates, Leinders and possibly Possoni)?

Don't forget Big Mick Rogers

Gazzetta67

Patrick Jonker NOW on Radio 5 Live ????

Gazzetta67

Patrick Jonker - I believe George Hincapie 80% ?????

I Never took drugs and thats something im happy with

Gazzetta67

The Cycling union were "Very Brave" - Yes Patrick i think we know were your LOYALTIES lie eh. :roll:

oneof1982

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Patrick Jonker - I believe George Hincapie 80% ?????

I Never took drugs and thats something im happy with

Couldn't decide if Jonker really hadn't seen anything and was a bit hacked off cos he didn't get the sweeties, or if he was part of the omerta!!

hammerite

Bit harsh on Harmon expecting him to comment on this on air without having looked at the document. With Ricco et al you can give a knee jerk reaction, he'd been caught with a positive test. Bit more difficult to give a knee jerk reaction to a 200 page document which is a summary of 1,000 pages of evidence!

Any response needs to be thought through and considered - who knows, maybe he's been asked by Eurosport not to give his opinion.

Gazzetta67

oneof1982 wrote:

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Patrick Jonker - I believe George Hincapie 80% ?????

I Never took drugs and thats something im happy with

Couldn't decide if Jonker really hadn't seen anything and was a bit hacked off cos he didn't get the sweeties, or if he was part of the omerta!!

Exactly - You could hear Victoria Derbyshire sighing and saying Righttttttttt well are you going to give me a straight answer on any of my questions.

LeicesterLad

hammerite wrote:

Bit harsh on Harmon expecting him to comment on this on air without having looked at the document. With Ricco et al you can give a knee jerk reaction, he'd been caught with a positive test. Bit more difficult to give a knee jerk reaction to a 200 page document which is a summary of 1,000 pages of evidence!

Any response needs to be thought through and considered - who knows, maybe he's been asked by Eurosport not to give his opinion.

As commentators go, it's Liggetts reaction I'd most like to hear. Stupid old fool.

frenchfighter

Bertagnolli says "Pozzovivo hurts us on the climbs"; Ferrari says it's because he weighs about 50 kg; Bertagnolli answers he never ever saw him do things like that, "he's all muscles"

-So Pozzo is clean. Didn't think he wasn't, but it is nice to see it said by a pro rider.

TMR

iainf72 wrote:

No, Jens.

Harsh Iain IMHO. Why do you feel that way?

heavymental

iainf72 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Jensie's just been on Twitter before getting on a plane. Got to hand it to the guy - he knows what he's going to get

in response to one tweet: '@TCorbett2908: You ask if I doped?? OK here is the answer. No I did not dope in the past, I dont do it now and not planing it in the future'

Odious creature

IMO

I'm sure he's a lovely bloke.

I'm positive he's a lovely bloke as it's widely reported, and watching the teams parade down the Champs after this years tour, Jens was stopping every few metres to sign autographs and chat with fans. He stood out as pretty much the only one to do that. Is he odious because you suspect he doped and is therefore a liar? He is one of the few riders who's made it clear what he thinks of dopers as far as I'm aware?

LangerDan

frenchfighter wrote:

Bertagnolli says "Pozzovivo hurts us on the climbs"; Ferrari says it's because he weighs about 50 kg; Bertagnolli answers he never ever saw him do things like that, "he's all muscles"

-So Pozzo is clean. Didn't think he wasn't, but it is nice to see it said by a pro rider.

I'd read the opposite into that - that Bertagnolli reckons Pozzo is now changed. "All muscles" - Testosterone / HGH perhaps?

frenchfighter

No mention of LLS in that Bertagnolli translation. (edit, just seen it was selective and not all)

Contador points are interesting for their lack of: a. Ferrari involvement and b. Ferrari's opinion that he is guilty. Ferrari even says his results could have been spiked (imagine if Lance or Joahn organised this!).

frenchfighter

LangerDan wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Bertagnolli says "Pozzovivo hurts us on the climbs"; Ferrari says it's because he weighs about 50 kg; Bertagnolli answers he never ever saw him do things like that, "he's all muscles"

-So Pozzo is clean. Didn't think he wasn't, but it is nice to see it said by a pro rider.

I'd read the opposite into that - that Bertagnolli reckons Pozzo is now changed. "All muscles" - Testosterone / HGH perhaps?

Ah, maybe. 'Never do things like that' - I took this to be the drugs, but maybe he meant tearing up the climbs.

All the 'muscular' stuff would make him heavier.

Gazzetta67

Alex Dowsett : Radio 5 live news report !!! Armstrong is still a LEGEND and came back from a serious Illness.....that was in the past cycling is cleaner now.... Ok Alex can i do a Phil Liggett and you can look me in the eye and tell the truth. :roll:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19910165

oneof1982

I know we have all done this one to death, but a reminder of what Ligget said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJz4kwm9mXc

avoidingmyphd

Sky are not covering themselves in glory today.
Brailsford is surprised by the obvious, and disappointed with Barry for doing the right thing. He's also being disingenuous (or misreported): his statement mixes up "having a prior conviction" with "doping in the past and getting away with it".
Dowsett thinks it "doesn't really matter" that his sport used to be dominated by a cabal of coercive drug pushers, some of whom are still hold influential roles today.

Coach H

So every American cyclist who rode the Tour de France with US Postal and Discovery for the seven year period between 1999 and 2005 has now confessed. Except Livingston. Livingston has been named in most (if not all) of those confessions.

Livingston runs his coaching business out of Mellow Johnies.

Who openly uses Livingstons services? They now have to be under suspicion don't they?

LangerDan

Father Vaughter's recent admission of doping was short on details, but his mentions of doping to get the last 2%, which you'd assume is the final push in a big squad.

"People who end up living their dreams are not those who are lucky and gifted, but those who are stubborn, resolute and willing to sacrifice. Now, imagine you’ve paid the dues, you’ve done the work, you’ve got the talent, and your resolve is solid as concrete. At that point, the dream is 98 percent complete but there is that last little bit you need to become great.

THEN, just short of finally living your childhood dream, you are told, either straight out or implicitly, by some coaches, mentors, even the boss, that you aren’t going to make it, unless you cheat. Unless you choose to dope. Doping can be that last 2 percent. "

He's generally been able to ringfence the belief that the doping relates to his time in USPS, however Levi's deposition states that JV was using EPO prior to '97, during his two year spell with Porcelena Santa Clara

andyp

Vaughters deposition states that he used EPO at Santa Clara, USPS and Credit Agricole.

LangerDan

andyp wrote:

Vaughters deposition states that he used EPO at Santa Clara, USPS and Credit Agricole.

Furry nuff, but his more public statements have tended to gloss over the fact that he has a lot of "previous"

emadden

calvjones wrote:

Stretch0212 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8487169/usada-report-lance-armstrong-end-debate-whether-doped
B Ford

Brilliant article & especially these last two paragraphs for those unbelievers with there heads still in the sand, a few people on this board would do well to heed...

yeah but those people are notorious by their absence on this thread. 8)

They all vanished... including one particular Scottish chap who always appeared to have a chip on the shoulder... Dennis is still around though

calvjones

Sorry if this has been posted but..


Dowsett... FFS man... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19910165

DeadCalm

LangerDan wrote:

andyp wrote:

Vaughters deposition states that he used EPO at Santa Clara, USPS and Credit Agricole.

Furry nuff, but his more public statements have tended to gloss over the fact that he has a lot of "previous"

Nah. In his Twitter confession he'd made it clear that they'd tried to ride clean at Santa Clara but had to give in to it in order to just be able to make the time cut.

blazing_saddles

MrTapir wrote:

LangerDan wrote:

Gazzetta67 wrote:

oneof1982 wrote:

Yates on 5Live this morning. "I never saw nuffin" :shock:

Oh Really Sean Were all surprised to hear that :roll:

Who was the nuggett on saying how can you beleive 11 ex-team mates stories....why didnt they all come out years ago...If these nobs are going to come onto a radio programme then look at all the FACTS...it's embarrassing that some still want to defend this charlatan.

As for Brailsford now saying he's "Dissapointed" in Michael Barry FFs ???? - who is he trying to kid.

So thats at least four Sky personnel who have either admitted doping or are looking something less than spotless. (Barry, Yates, Leinders and possibly Possoni)?

Don't forget Big Mick Rogers

Lets not. Levi's affidavit: