Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Carl_P wrote:iainf72 wrote:Carl_P wrote:I can't believe that in 2009/10 what with everything he was accused of he was still doping! The utter audacity of the c***
Why? Why would he have stopped or not done it?
Most reasonable people would have stopped if only out of fear they would get caught. Lance comes out of retirement so he can cheat some more.
I think he came out of retirement simply because they all do, Everyone always wants to give it on more shot. Hmmmm, maybe a bad choice of words.0 -
the last episode at the hotel they were at.Turfle wrote:Gazzetta67 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Gazzetta67 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Brendan Gallagher on the Telegraph "The evidence the sport has been waiting for"
How does he sleep at night?
Who Pharmstrong or Gallagher 8) ....Is it me or does gallagher look like a "Jakey"
My commute takes me down Saltmarket, he's a dapper gent compared to that.
Watching the recent Road to glory on Sky it struck me that the Cycling Journo's in the room looked kinda well how can i put this ehh "Hand Picked" was that not a Bruyneel trademark ?
In what room?0 -
Whoever's decision it was to close the Feds investigation has just been made to look like a prize tw*t..............0
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ratsbeyfus wrote:via inrng on twitter:Nephew of Francesco Moser cited as a client of Ferrari + Liquigas managers by Bertagnolli deposition
That would be depressing.0 -
Turfle wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:via inrng on twitter:Nephew of Francesco Moser cited as a client of Ferrari + Liquigas managers by Bertagnolli deposition
That would be depressing.
None of its depressing, get the sport cleaned out as much as possible.0 -
itisaboutthebike wrote:Whoever's decision it was to close the Feds investigation has just been made to look like a prize tw*t..............
I suppose this is a case that will be re-opened ?? it's got to be if their is to be any integrity left.0 -
mfin wrote:Turfle wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:via inrng on twitter:Nephew of Francesco Moser cited as a client of Ferrari + Liquigas managers by Bertagnolli deposition
That would be depressing.
None of its depressing, get the sport cleaned out as much as possible.
Depending on which nephew it is, I'd say it definitely qualifies as depressing. If one of the brightest young talents in the sport has been using Michele Ferrari, I don't know what else to call it other than depressing.0 -
Turfle wrote:mfin wrote:Turfle wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:via inrng on twitter:Nephew of Francesco Moser cited as a client of Ferrari + Liquigas managers by Bertagnolli deposition
That would be depressing.
None of its depressing, get the sport cleaned out as much as possible.
Depending on which nephew it is, I'd say it definitely qualifies as depressing. If one of the brightest young talents in the sport has been using Michele Ferrari, I don't know what else to call it other than depressing.
I would call it plain stupidity - F**K sake how stupid are some of these cyclists still using this guy after all thats been said...if cycling is that hard why dont they take up darts or something like that rather than go to a doctor.0 -
PS - Eurosport News about to come no doubt with more in depth news of todays comings and goingsGazzetta67 wrote:Turfle wrote:mfin wrote:Turfle wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:via inrng on twitter:Nephew of Francesco Moser cited as a client of Ferrari + Liquigas managers by Bertagnolli deposition
That would be depressing.
None of its depressing, get the sport cleaned out as much as possible.
Depending on which nephew it is, I'd say it definitely qualifies as depressing. If one of the brightest young talents in the sport has been using Michele Ferrari, I don't know what else to call it other than depressing.
I would call it plain stupidity - F**K sake how stupid are some of these cyclists still using this guy after all thats been said...if cycling is that hard why dont they take up darts or something like that rather than go to a doctor.0 -
Looking at the Italian document, the Moser link was from 2007, so probably more likely to be one of the older nephews. I don't know if that qualifies as good news.0
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take up darts or something like that rather than go to a doctor.
Jockey Wilson and Phil 'I've got no power' Taylor are failed cyclists...........when they couldn't keep up in the local chippers they turned to darts for salvation (and in Jockys case to 80 shillings)..............rather than take a visit to the local quack (lets face it in Scotland he'd be prescribing 80 shillings anyway..........).
I did a simalar thing in '91........... I found solice in fairways and 3 woods ..............and a few thousand gallons of Guiness. It's what my local doc would have prescribed anyway..............unless I'd got a million dollars to spend...........0 -
Looking at the Italian document, the Moser link was from 2007, so probably more likely to be one of the older nephews. I don't know if that qualifies as good news.
It's fantastic news...how could it not be ?0 -
Just heard from a pal about Tony Doyle on Radio 5 tonight ....FFS is that the best they can do TONY DOYLE ...he claimed it was a "Witch Hunt" shameful and embarrassing head stuck in the sand from a nobody.0
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itisaboutthebike wrote:take up darts or something like that rather than go to a doctor.
Jockey Wilson and Phil 'I've got no power' Taylor are failed cyclists...........when they couldn't keep up in the local chippers they turned to darts for salvation (and in Jockys case to 80 shillings)..............rather than take a visit to the local quack (lets face it in Scotland he'd be prescribing 80 shillings anyway..........).
I did a simalar thing in '91........... I found solice in fairways and 3 woods ..............and a few thousand gallons of Guiness. It's what my local doc would have prescribed anyway..............unless I'd got a million dollars to spend...........
Hey Pal watch it am fae scoatland 8)0 -
Gazzetta67 wrote:itisaboutthebike wrote:Whoever's decision it was to close the Feds investigation has just been made to look like a prize tw*t..............
I suppose this is a case that will be re-opened ?? it's got to be if their is to be any integrity left.
A while back someone commented that the Fed's focused on whether government money was used to dope. He also commented that the money was for advertising and
that USPS certainly got a lot of that for their money what with all those TDF wins. He went on to say that once USPS gave the money to the team that it was no longer theirs, it was now the teams money and how they spent it was up to the team as long as they provided the publicity required. Now I realize that this is a pretty flimsy way of thinking about all this but it could have been a legal "tipping point", if you will, for LA because the Fed's weren't investigating doping at all, just the misuse of federal funds. Maybe the jury felt that the funds stopped being federal funds the minute the team "cashed the check". So, sure it was a stupid way of looking at it but apparently the jury of 24 people saw some sort of problem with it all and they were the ones who would have made the decision of "go or no go". Whomever pulled the plug knew what was happening or not happening with the jury. Maybe new evidence will have the Grand Jury reconvined to take another look. Key word maybe.0 -
itisaboutthebike wrote:Looking at the Italian document, the Moser link was from 2007, so probably more likely to be one of the older nephews. I don't know if that qualifies as good news.
It's fantastic news...how could it not be ?
I meant it's not the worst possible news, but it's still not good news. That Moreno's brother allegedly has worked with Ferrari is still a bit of a worry.0 -
Hey Pal watch it am fae scoatland
As Vic reeves used to say............."only jokin'...................or am I ?"
Love Scotland..........don't like the midges tho............0 -
BBC breakfast main headline about the USDA going public on LA. After this, it might get a few less kids on our Club rides now after the Wiggins effect. Our Club Ride resembles a Creche on wheels these days. Kids are funny though.
Jerry“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
-Jacques Anquetil0 -
What now for Bruyneil ?0
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iainf72 wrote:If you're a Roman K or LL Sanchez fan, I'd avoid looking at the docs which are in Italian.
Please elaborate?Contador is the Greatest0 -
So it is all North American riders. Funny that. Everyone always banging on about Europeans.
And why does Hincap and Barry go clean after 2006. Sacred by Landis maybe.
Also both (and others say) 'deeply regret' - this is very weak - if it really bothered them they wouldn't have done it in the first place and would have stopped riding in 2006 in disgust, or talked about it then. Oh, actually no, because they were still getting paid big bucks.
An excuse of: 'it was my dream to ride, so I had to dope to be able to compete' is a legitimate one. It's like saying: 'I want a Ferrari, I can't afford one by normal means, so I will steal one'. Then they catch the theif and he says: 'Oh, I deeply regret it'
CVV's statement is good. Those who have read the whole doc - does it mention who introduced CVV to drugs?Contador is the Greatest0 -
Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:So it is all North American riders. Funny that. Everyone always banging on about Europeans.
And why does Hincap and Barry go clean after 2006. Sacred by Landis maybe.
Also both (and others say) 'deeply regret' - this is very weak - if it really bothered them they wouldn't have done it in the first place and would have stopped riding in 2006 in disgust, or talked about it then. Oh, actually no, because they were still getting paid big bucks.
An excuse of: 'it was my dream to ride, so I had to dope to be able to compete' is a legitimate one. It's like saying: 'I want a Ferrari, I can't afford one by normal means, so I will steal one'. Then they catch the theif and he says: 'Oh, I deeply regret it'
CVV's statement is good. Those who have read the whole doc - does it mention who introduced CVV to drugs?
FF, none of them come out of this shining with glory. However, I'd rather that they did come forward and speak, if very very late in the day. I still reserve my anger mainly for the pushers and enablers.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:iainf72 wrote:If you're a Roman K or LL Sanchez fan, I'd avoid looking at the docs which are in Italian.
Please elaborate?
Outted as clients of Ferrari.
Greg Lemond is now the only American who's worn the yellow jersey. DZ, Hincapie and LA all stripped of them.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Maybe that was because it was a USADA investigation FF?frenchfighter wrote:So it is all North American riders.0 -
So the evidence turned up by USADA whilst investigating an American on an American team is mainly from Americans.and, for you, this is surprising and points to Europeans being cleaner?
Theres none so blind as he who will not see"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:So the evidence turned up by USADA whilst investigating an American on an American team is mainly from Americans.and, for you, this is surprising and points to Europeans being cleaner?
Theres none so blind as he who will not see
And most of the Europeans who were on the team have already been bust.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Lance had this released on the same day to try and cover some of it:
http://mediaroom.livestrong.org/press-r ... rs-0940424
Iain, when you say Italian docs, what are you referring to?Contador is the Greatest0 -
Daniel Friebe @friebos
People feel sorry for Bassons. Don't - he'll tell you that he's very happy with his life. He was too well-adjusted for pro cycling anyway.
David Millar @millarmind
Still reading the USADA report. For the record there are people in there who are better (there are also worse) than me and yet fucked up.
It's all so sad.
This is my friend's statement, it's more important than mine right now, "@ChristianVDV: My statement...Contador is the Greatest0 -
Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Maybe that was because it was a USADA investigation FF?frenchfighter wrote:So it is all North American riders.
As Iain has said, many Europeans already busted. Also Mantova and Puerto still to come - plenty of stuff still to come out0
