Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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FocusZing wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:FocusZing wrote:I would have thought that was obvious, talking about LA with the now hindsight as an Icon of pro cycling. Especially when you still have influence on a younger generation. Do you want kids growing up to hero worship the psychopaths of society?
I don’t think Armstrong is a psychopath - but to use your terminology, “psychopaths of society” are often those that are hero worshiped: check out “National Hero” Winston Churchill’s palmares, for a start... Their “psychopathy” is usually applied retrospectively when folk have got their achievements/methodology in perspective.
I would’ve thought it would be much more pertinent to teach your kids to not be a massive bellend to start with. And in so doing, that would eradicate 95% of celebrities as role models for a start.
So is LA a pro cycling icon you want your kids to admire and look up to?
There are others I would promote before him.
But remind me which cycling icons before him didn’t dope?0 -
It’s the inherent problem with citing anyone as a hero if you’re involving rules/morality: one is usually bigging up their achievements rather than their personality. Yet, as we see with Armstrong, that seems to be difficult for many.
Last night, Raheem Sterling tripped over some grass in the penalty area and got a penalty. The world and it’s brother could see it wasn’t a penalty, yet he said nowt. Sporting role model or cheating bast@rd?
It’s easier with, say, music. Jimi Hendrix and Thelonious Monks both did lots of drugs and Joni Mitchell is apparently a reclusive and difficult old bag; am I going to tell my kids not to listen to them? Hell no.0 -
OCDuPalais wrote:FocusZing wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:FocusZing wrote:I would have thought that was obvious, talking about LA with the now hindsight as an Icon of pro cycling. Especially when you still have influence on a younger generation. Do you want kids growing up to hero worship the psychopaths of society?
I don’t think Armstrong is a psychopath - but to use your terminology, “psychopaths of society” are often those that are hero worshiped: check out “National Hero” Winston Churchill’s palmares, for a start... Their “psychopathy” is usually applied retrospectively when folk have got their achievements/methodology in perspective.
I would’ve thought it would be much more pertinent to teach your kids to not be a massive bellend to start with. And in so doing, that would eradicate 95% of celebrities as role models for a start.
So is LA a pro cycling icon you want your kids to admire and look up to?
There are others I would promote before him.
But remind me which cycling icons before him didn’t dope?
I will take that as a no then.0 -
FocusZing wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:FocusZing wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:FocusZing wrote:I would have thought that was obvious, talking about LA with the now hindsight as an Icon of pro cycling. Especially when you still have influence on a younger generation. Do you want kids growing up to hero worship the psychopaths of society?
I don’t think Armstrong is a psychopath - but to use your terminology, “psychopaths of society” are often those that are hero worshiped: check out “National Hero” Winston Churchill’s palmares, for a start... Their “psychopathy” is usually applied retrospectively when folk have got their achievements/methodology in perspective.
I would’ve thought it would be much more pertinent to teach your kids to not be a massive bellend to start with. And in so doing, that would eradicate 95% of celebrities as role models for a start.
So is LA a pro cycling icon you want your kids to admire and look up to?
There are others I would promote before him.
But remind me which cycling icons before him didn’t dope?
I will take that as a no then.
Please do.
And then say things like, “I rest my case!”, and, “talk to the hand cos the face ain’t listening”, etc, just to make sure everyone gets your complete and utter binary grasp of the situation.
Sport seems to be about rules, codes, results and the pursuit of excellence, character, etc...
Professional sport seems to be about looking for every opportunity to get publicity, kudos, notoriety, etc, with results being a nice bonus. Squeeze the margins because the profits are greater.
In other words, it’s the same model as any other business.0 -
My philosophy from playing hockey is that I shouldn't/don't complain to the umpire when he gets it wrong against my team, so why should I point it out when he gets it wrong in our favour.OCDuPalais wrote:Last night, Raheem Sterling tripped over some grass in the penalty area and got a penalty. The world and it’s brother could see it wasn’t a penalty, yet he said nowt. Sporting role model or cheating bast@rd?
Having said that, Man City were 3-0 up at the time so it was missed opportunity for a bit of good PR.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
My philosophy from playing hockey is that I shouldn't/don't complain to the umpire when he gets it wrong against my team, so why should I point it out when he gets it wrong in our favour.OCDuPalais wrote:Last night, Raheem Sterling tripped over some grass in the penalty area and got a penalty. The world and it’s brother could see it wasn’t a penalty, yet he said nowt. Sporting role model or cheating bast@rd?
Having said that, Man City were 3-0 up at the time so it was missed opportunity for a bit of good PR.
Man City were 1-0 up at the time.0 -
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You ain't all that and a sack of potatoes. Talk to the hand Chasey, TALK TO THE HAND!0
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So they were. They got a different penalty at 3-0joe2008 wrote:RichN95 wrote:
My philosophy from playing hockey is that I shouldn't/don't complain to the umpire when he gets it wrong against my team, so why should I point it out when he gets it wrong in our favour.OCDuPalais wrote:Last night, Raheem Sterling tripped over some grass in the penalty area and got a penalty. The world and it’s brother could see it wasn’t a penalty, yet he said nowt. Sporting role model or cheating bast@rd?
Having said that, Man City were 3-0 up at the time so it was missed opportunity for a bit of good PR.
Man City were 1-0 up at the time.Twitter: @RichN950 -
OCDuPalais wrote:FocusZing wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:FocusZing wrote:I would have thought that was obvious, talking about LA with the now hindsight as an Icon of pro cycling. Especially when you still have influence on a younger generation. Do you want kids growing up to hero worship the psychopaths of society?
I don’t think Armstrong is a psychopath - but to use your terminology, “psychopaths of society” are often those that are hero worshiped: check out “National Hero” Winston Churchill’s palmares, for a start... Their “psychopathy” is usually applied retrospectively when folk have got their achievements/methodology in perspective.
I would’ve thought it would be much more pertinent to teach your kids to not be a massive bellend to start with. And in so doing, that would eradicate 95% of celebrities as role models for a start.
So is LA a pro cycling icon you want your kids to admire and look up to?
There are others I would promote before him.
But remind me which cycling icons before him didn’t dope?
this, together with being better than Bowyer, Vardy, Rooney if you want to take it out of cycling and no worse than Moscon or Dopey Millar.....Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
OCDuPalais wrote:It’s the inherent problem with citing anyone as a hero if you’re involving rules/morality: one is usually bigging up their achievements rather than their personality. Yet, as we see with Armstrong, that seems to be difficult for many.
Last night, Raheem Sterling tripped over some grass in the penalty area and got a penalty. The world and it’s brother could see it wasn’t a penalty, yet he said nowt. Sporting role model or cheating bast@rd?
It’s easier with, say, music. Jimi Hendrix and Thelonious Monks both did lots of drugs and Joni Mitchell is apparently a reclusive and difficult old bag; am I going to tell my kids not to listen to them? Hell no.
Listen to their music yes, emulate their personal choices no.
The difference between those musicians is that they didnt smash loads of drugs to get creative at the expense of others. Hendrix wasnt insisting his band all took massive amounts of LSD though at times it might look like that.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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^ and we can all feel morally uplifted that Landis got a big bag of cash out of it.0
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Nice to hear a good news story at Christmas Time
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Another reason not to use Uber then...0 -
TailWindHome wrote:
He talked about this investment in his excellent Freakomonics interview.
He had a couple of other really decent investments - Docusign too I thinkFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
Only when it's used with some brains. People seem to forget that part, a lot of highly paid professional athletes end up going bankrupt0 -
ShutupJens wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
Only when it's used with some brains. People seem to forget that part, a lot of highly paid professional athletes end up going bankrupt
That's true to some extent- but I'd argue that "brains" in the vast majority of successful investments could be more accurately described as a mix of common sense, confidence, ego and an abundance of stuff to invest. And in the olden days, insider knowledge. Obviously, the latter couldn't possibly happen any more.
How many of Armstrong's other investments lost him money? As with any investor - that's a more accurate measure of "brains".0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
not really. look at dotard. inherited shedloads, bankrupt 3 times,haemorraging cash everywhere.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
OCDuPalais wrote:ShutupJens wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
Only when it's used with some brains. People seem to forget that part, a lot of highly paid professional athletes end up going bankrupt
That's true to some extent- but I'd argue that "brains" in the vast majority of successful investments could be more accurately described as a mix of common sense, confidence, ego and an abundance of stuff to invest. And in the olden days, insider knowledge. Obviously, the latter couldn't possibly happen any more.
How many of Armstrong's other investments lost him money? As with any investor - that's a more accurate measure of "brains".
By Armstrongs own admission he had no idea what he was investing in. I dont think Armstrong is anyone to look at as the messiah.
One balled twat.0 -
It seems that most messiahs are having a torrid time of things too, at the moment. I blame Brexit.Vino'sGhost wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:ShutupJens wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
Only when it's used with some brains. People seem to forget that part, a lot of highly paid professional athletes end up going bankrupt
That's true to some extent- but I'd argue that "brains" in the vast majority of successful investments could be more accurately described as a mix of common sense, confidence, ego and an abundance of stuff to invest. And in the olden days, insider knowledge. Obviously, the latter couldn't possibly happen any more.
How many of Armstrong's other investments lost him money? As with any investor - that's a more accurate measure of "brains".
By Armstrongs own admission he had no idea what he was investing in. I dont think Armstrong is anyone to look at as the messiah.
One balled fool.0 -
Vino'sGhost wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:ShutupJens wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
Only when it's used with some brains. People seem to forget that part, a lot of highly paid professional athletes end up going bankrupt
That's true to some extent- but I'd argue that "brains" in the vast majority of successful investments could be more accurately described as a mix of common sense, confidence, ego and an abundance of stuff to invest. And in the olden days, insider knowledge. Obviously, the latter couldn't possibly happen any more.
How many of Armstrong's other investments lost him money? As with any investor - that's a more accurate measure of "brains".
By Armstrongs own admission he had no idea what he was investing in. I dont think Armstrong is anyone to look at as the messiah.
One balled fool.
Do you often use the results of cancer as an insult, or is it just online? Or just for Lance?2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
CarbonClem wrote:Vino'sGhost wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:ShutupJens wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
Only when it's used with some brains. People seem to forget that part, a lot of highly paid professional athletes end up going bankrupt
That's true to some extent- but I'd argue that "brains" in the vast majority of successful investments could be more accurately described as a mix of common sense, confidence, ego and an abundance of stuff to invest. And in the olden days, insider knowledge. Obviously, the latter couldn't possibly happen any more.
How many of Armstrong's other investments lost him money? As with any investor - that's a more accurate measure of "brains".
By Armstrongs own admission he had no idea what he was investing in. I dont think Armstrong is anyone to look at as the messiah.
One balled fool.
Do you often use the results of cancer as an insult, or is it just online? Or just for Lance?
Why?0 -
Vino'sGhost wrote:CarbonClem wrote:Vino'sGhost wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:ShutupJens wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
Only when it's used with some brains. People seem to forget that part, a lot of highly paid professional athletes end up going bankrupt
That's true to some extent- but I'd argue that "brains" in the vast majority of successful investments could be more accurately described as a mix of common sense, confidence, ego and an abundance of stuff to invest. And in the olden days, insider knowledge. Obviously, the latter couldn't possibly happen any more.
How many of Armstrong's other investments lost him money? As with any investor - that's a more accurate measure of "brains".
By Armstrongs own admission he had no idea what he was investing in. I dont think Armstrong is anyone to look at as the messiah.
One balled fool.
Do you often use the results of cancer as an insult, or is it just online? Or just for Lance?
Why?
Interested. It certainly makes you look a proper piece of work . So many insults to hang on Lance and you choose that one.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
he's not the only one. someone not a million miles from this post made a rather horrible comment along those lines a couple of weeks back that showed their true character.....Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
CarbonClem wrote:Vino'sGhost wrote:CarbonClem wrote:Vino'sGhost wrote:OCDuPalais wrote:ShutupJens wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Money makes money.
Only when it's used with some brains. People seem to forget that part, a lot of highly paid professional athletes end up going bankrupt
That's true to some extent- but I'd argue that "brains" in the vast majority of successful investments could be more accurately described as a mix of common sense, confidence, ego and an abundance of stuff to invest. And in the olden days, insider knowledge. Obviously, the latter couldn't possibly happen any more.
How many of Armstrong's other investments lost him money? As with any investor - that's a more accurate measure of "brains".
By Armstrongs own admission he had no idea what he was investing in. I dont think Armstrong is anyone to look at as the messiah.
One balled fool.
Do you often use the results of cancer as an insult, or is it just online? Or just for Lance?
Why?
Interested. It certainly makes you look a proper piece of work . So many insults to hang on Lance and you choose that one.
Proper little virtue signaller aren’t you.0 -
Vino'sGhost wrote:[Proper little virtue signaller aren’t you.
:?
Is that what you put when you realise there is no actual defence?
Maybe just try not to be a d1ck.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0
