Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Not only that, but the theory that it was his drug taking before cancer that at the very least sped up the cancer if not fully caused it in the first place.
Is there any evidence for this other than the fact that Lance is a tw*t and it would serve him right if his PED abuse caused his cancer or made it worse?
It might be true, but there are obviously many causes of cancer other than PED abuse and the vast majority of PED abusers don't get cancer, so the theory is at best tenuous, I'd say.0 -
Allegedly the HGH usage made his already present cancer worse.
I did read that his cancer was pretty much throughout his body
As for "my cancer is worse than your cancer" that's pretty sick reasoning0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19636745#p19636745]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:Not only that, but the theory that it was his drug taking before cancer that at the very least sped up the cancer if not fully caused it in the first place.
Is there any evidence for this other than the fact that Lance is a tw*t and it would serve him right if his PED abuse caused his cancer or made it worse?
It might be true, but there are obviously many causes of cancer other than PED abuse and the vast majority of PED abusers don't get cancer, so the theory is at best tenuous, I'd say.
I certainly don't have any evidence. It's something I've heard/read talk of a couple of times though. I think the link was along the lines of the HGH he was using. I think it was covered in Juliet Macur's book, or one of Walsh's, maybe both. But I'm happy to be proved wrong on that. But no, no evidence, really might not be true.2020 Reilly Spectre - raw titanium
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It's simple, Lance will comment afterwards that 'we' raised £x for charity, and he will draw the connection to his own agenda of what he is allowed to do and not allowed to do, he'll manipulate things for his own benefit on the back of a carefully but simply manipulated moral right or wrong.
He shouldn't be riding it, it shows contempt and disrespect for cycling. If he hadn't cheated he would never of won anything and no one would have heard of him, now he continually wants to cash in on his profile which only exists because of cheating.0 -
It's simple, Lance will comment afterwards that 'we' raised £x for charity, and he will draw the connection to his own agenda of what he is allowed to do and not allowed to do, he'll manipulate things for his own benefit on the back of a carefully but simply manipulated moral right or wrong.
He shouldn't be riding it, it shows contempt and disrespect for cycling. If he hadn't cheated he would never of won anything and no one would have heard of him, now he continually wants to cash in on his profile which only exists because of cheating.
Struggling to understand how he is going to benefit from this? I can understand however how Geoff's fundraising might benefit.0 -
It's simple, Lance will comment afterwards that 'we' raised £x for charity, and he will draw the connection to his own agenda of what he is allowed to do and not allowed to do, he'll manipulate things for his own benefit on the back of a carefully but simply manipulated moral right or wrong.
He shouldn't be riding it, it shows contempt and disrespect for cycling. If he hadn't cheated he would never of won anything and no one would have heard of him, now he continually wants to cash in on his profile which only exists because of cheating.
Struggling to understand how he is going to benefit from this? I can understand however how Geoff's fundraising might benefit.
He shouldn't be allowed a bike in the month of July period. Next thing he will weasel his way back in and be benefiting by advertising Festina watches in Eurosport, or perhaps commentating on ITV4...oh wait0 -
It is not a professional event. It is not a race. No one died in this whole LA affair. They will be raising money for Leukaemia - which I had and treatment is brutal. Who cares that LA is riding? The cynic can say that I have vested interest in him riding so I conveniently forget about some moral relativism which is inherently flawed anyway.
Philosophically: LA took the whole PED's to another level to the extent he was caught and now the whole fraternity is under scrutiny. Maybe that is a good thing. Yes he is a twit but had he not been such a glory hunting fame seeker, this would all still be the skeleton in the cupboard waiting to be uncovered.
Back to the cancer. G Thomas was lucky, so was Lance. I will never cycle competitively again, my immune system will always leave me compromised. I know of many friends who will never lead an ordinary life because of the severity of their treatment. Lance should have taken the luck that he was ostensibly in good shape after his treatment and lucky to be alive. To have simply got back on his bike and raced professionally would have been serious kudos and respect from the likes of me and other sufferers.
Indeed, he did start like that but then he started winning... too much and what is totally deflating is that I was bought by his bullsh1t. I don't feel 'cheated', just let down, really disappointed.
However, what he is doing now is simply a charity ride - nothing more. He will pay the price for his sins eternally. He will always be known as the dope taking Texan who got stripped of all 7 TdF titles. It will never leave him, unlike the cancer he had which has a certain, yet macabre irony to it.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
You miss the point son.
As for "my cancer is worse than your cancer" that's pretty sick reasoning
I don't brag about it but I think that's all he is known for.
I only mentioned my problem to establish my right to belittle his Life Threatening personna.
If it was throughout his body then why have all the charities,?? as he proves the problem is sorted with his abilities as a "Senior" athlete.
My cousin could have told you about the excrutiating pain he lived through as it ate through his body.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Excellent points you make.It is not a professional event. It is not a race. No one died in this whole LA affair. They will be raising money for Leukaemia - which I had and treatment is brutal. Who cares that LA is riding? The cynic can say that I have vested interest in him riding so I conveniently forget about some moral relativism which is inherently flawed anyway.
Philosophically: LA took the whole PED's to another level to the extent he was caught and now the whole fraternity is under scrutiny. Maybe that is a good thing. Yes he is a twit but had he not been such a glory hunting fame seeker, this would all still be the skeleton in the cupboard waiting to be uncovered.
Back to the cancer. G Thomas was lucky, so was Lance. I will never cycle competitively again, my immune system will always leave me compromised. I know of many friends who will never lead an ordinary life because of the severity of their treatment. Lance should have taken the luck that he was ostensibly in good shape after his treatment and lucky to be alive. To have simply got back on his bike and raced professionally would have been serious kudos and respect from the likes of me and other sufferers.
Indeed, he did start like that but then he started winning... too much and what is totally deflating is that I was bought by his bullsh1t. I don't feel 'cheated', just let down, really disappointed.
However, what he is doing now is simply a charity ride - nothing more. He will pay the price for his sins eternally. He will always be known as the dope taking Texan who got stripped of all 7 TdF titles. It will never leave him, unlike the cancer he had which has a certain, yet macabre irony to it.
I didn't buy into any of his bullsh*t because I had listened and spectated when he first arrived in Europe and seen how he followed the Bjarne Riis formula that was in use throughout the Team Deutsche Telekom Frauds.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Excellent points you make.It...it.
I didn't buy into any of his bullsh*t because I had listened and spectated when he first arrived in Europe and seen how he followed the Bjarne Riis formula that was in use throughout the Team Deutsche Telekom Frauds.
...and the common denominator M ferrari.
Why not blow the lid on everyone and anyone?
Should Landis profit to the tune of $33m ? It's obscene.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-fearing-financial-ruin-from-federal-whistleblower-lawsuitseanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Agree unnecessary attention during the tour, no need to have Armstrong along on the ride whatsoever. Short sighted from Thomas.
Really? If Armstrong wasn't riding then no one would have even heard about this.
Yes they would Geoff Thomas gets some airtime every year talking about his ride on TV. Admittedly, not as much air time as this.
I shall be in the area while he's doing this, wondering which hard vegetable to get from the local Carrefour to throw in his general direction.
As an aside it dawned on me yesterday that my winter bike (which is a Trek) has the slogan "ridden to 7 Tour de France victories" on it. Which was a lie even before Lance had his victories stripped, no one has ridden the a pro race on a £600 bike for many a year.
be sure to work on you throwing arm then, you will need plenty of veg when the tour is in town.
As it happens I have been! Jnr has just joined an American Football team so has me lobbing balls up for him to chase on to quite regularly. I'm no quarterback though.0 -
Personally, it's the fact that he was on the gravy train with his "charity" that offends me about his being asked to ride this. Using private jets, having their lawyers prepare statements for him...Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Personally, it's the fact that he was on the gravy train with his "charity" that offends me about his being asked to ride this. Using private jets, having their lawyers prepare statements for him...
So much sport is now media managed. Not so much in cycling thank god but I remember Tiger Woods at his peak and all the PR trained responses he gave to questions. It is a very American thing.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
It's simple, Lance will comment afterwards that 'we' raised £x for charity, and he will draw the connection to his own agenda of what he is allowed to do and not allowed to do, he'll manipulate things for his own benefit on the back of a carefully but simply manipulated moral right or wrong.
He shouldn't be riding it, it shows contempt and disrespect for cycling. If he hadn't cheated he would never of won anything and no one would have heard of him, now he continually wants to cash in on his profile which only exists because of cheating.
Struggling to understand how he is going to benefit from this? I can understand however how Geoff's fundraising might benefit.
Of course he will benefit, he gets media airspace to try win people over to what a swell guy he is and how he's having a tough deal when all he wants to do is fundraising for others (which is bullsh1t cos that's not all he wants to do). He could use an alternative method to repair his public image of course, and that would be break the habit of a lifetime and to stop being such a two faced manipulative tit.0 -
USA sports Colleges train their athletes in Media presentation Q&A sessions.
So much sport is now media managed. Not so much in cycling thank god but I remember Tiger Woods at his peak and all the PR trained responses he gave to questions. It is a very American thing.Personally, it's the fact that he was on the gravy train with his "charity" that offends me about his being asked to ride this. Using private jets, having their lawyers prepare statements for him...
They have done for years.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
You lot are strange.
"Not allowed to ride a bike in the whole of July".
"His cancer can't have been that bad".
Come on guys, where's your perspective?
A lot of you are sounding like those clinic nutters who foam at the mouth and wear tinfoil hats.0 -
You lot are strange.
"Not allowed to ride a bike in the whole of July".
"His cancer can't have been that bad".
Come on guys, where's your perspective?
A lot of you are sounding like those clinic nutters who foam at the mouth and wear tinfoil hats.
Agreed, close this sh1t down'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
You lot are strange.
"Not allowed to ride a bike in the whole of July".
"His cancer can't have been that bad".
Come on guys, where's your perspective?
A lot of you are sounding like those clinic nutters who foam at the mouth and wear tinfoil hats.
My quote about not being able to ride his bike in July was completely sarcastic if you read what I had put0 -
I think all of us are intelligent enough to see this for what it is which is publicity for LA first and charity second.
Lets agree to ignore this and move on0 -
Oh yes his cancer was really awful and it changed his life after he had hit top form in 1996 by winning the Flèche Wallonne.You lot are strange.
"His cancer can't have been that bad".
Then in the foul weather of the first week in July he has to retire from the TDF, very wet and with Loss of form.
This was diagnosed later in 1996 as Testicular cancer followed by hospital treatment that enabled him to race again and come 4th in the 1998 Vuelta a España. Very Sad period of his life.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
You lot are strange.
"Not allowed to ride a bike in the whole of July".
"His cancer can't have been that bad".
Come on guys, where's your perspective?
A lot of you are sounding like those clinic nutters who foam at the mouth and wear tinfoil hats.
Agreed, close this sh1t down
you don't like the conversation so you ban it?
Wow...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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To avoid any chance of doubt, I've submitted myself for a drug test prior to watching this year's tour. I've declared a medical condition requiring ongoing G&T treatment. I hope you guys will support clean cycling and follow suite.'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0
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He probably bunged the doctors to give him that brain surgery as well just to make it more dramatic.
Have a look at yourselves."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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edit: oops posted in the wrong thread but what disgruntledgoat said.0
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I am on PEDs daily, as I take an anti hayfever tablet before my commute0
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2015/07/01/lance-armstrong-sex-life-federal-lawsuit/29589293/
What a load of boll*ck!0 -
Oh yes his cancer was really awful and it changed his life after he had hit top form in 1996 by winning the Flèche Wallonne.You lot are strange.
"His cancer can't have been that bad".
Then in the foul weather of the first week in July he has to retire from the TDF, very wet and with Loss of form.
This was diagnosed later in 1996 as Testicular cancer followed by hospital treatment that enabled him to race again and come 4th in the 1998 Vuelta a España. Very Sad period of his life.
Come on mate.
A lot of what he said is disputed but noone who knew him doubts how serious his cancer was. He was 25 and had cancer all over his body and was exceptionally close to death's door.
He's not a nice guy, was a bully, ground people into the ground, made them lose their jobs, intimidated people.
Doesn't mean his cancer wasn't any less horrendous.0 -
This ^^ Although I probably would have said "ran people into the ground"
Oh yes his cancer was really awful and it changed his life after he had hit top form in 1996 by winning the Flèche Wallonne.You lot are strange.
"His cancer can't have been that bad".
Then in the foul weather of the first week in July he has to retire from the TDF, very wet and with Loss of form.
This was diagnosed later in 1996 as Testicular cancer followed by hospital treatment that enabled him to race again and come 4th in the 1998 Vuelta a España. Very Sad period of his life.
Come on mate.
A lot of what he said is disputed but noone who knew him doubts how serious his cancer was. He was 25 and had cancer all over his body and was exceptionally close to death's door.
He's not a nice guy, was a bully, ground people into the ground, made them lose their jobs, intimidated people.
Doesn't mean his cancer wasn't any less horrendous.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
"rode people into the ground"0
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This thread refuses to die.
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