Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Has to be an email interview given the lack of follow up questions.
  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    "I'm just a victim of circumstance and now I'm on a one-man crusade to clean up cycling"

    He has no shame
  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    So he's in favour of T&R, but can't yet bring himself to tell the whole truth...
    Does not compute.
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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    PoweredByIdris wrote:
    "I'm just a victim of circumstance and now I'm on a one-man crusade to clean up cycling"

    He has no shame

    Who said that?
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Dunno if it's been posted David Walsh & Emma O'Reilly on RTE's Late Late show the other night.

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/734/364634/
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    He speaks a lot of sense, even if he has an utter brass neck to do so:
    "This is about cycling and to be frank it's about ALL endurance sports. Publicly lynching one man and his team will not solve this problem."
    CN: Does TRC need to provide a complete amnesty?

    Armstrong: Of course otherwise no one will show up. No one.

    (Take note Dave)

    the UCI has no place at the table.

    Also Pat's got a lot of explaining to do:
    A long time ago. When I was on speaking terms with ol' Pat McQuaid many, many months ago I said, 'Pat, you better think bold here. A full blown, global, TRC is our sports best solution.' He wanted to hear nothing

    I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand he is likening himself to all other cyclsits, doing what was acceptable a the time it was done (which is one of the reasons he can never admit to doping on his 2nd comeback), but on the other he is just the sort of high energy, in your face jerk that could shake cycling (and indeed other sports) out of the complacency surrounding doping. Throwing Pat under the bus was a good start.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    He has unwittingly admitted that the UCI knows more than he said on Oprah and has a lot more to answer for than has been "proven"thus far....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Timoid. wrote:
    A long time ago. When I was on speaking terms with ol' Pat McQuaid many, many months ago I said, 'Pat, you better think bold here. A full blown, global, TRC is our sports best solution.' He wanted to hear nothing

    I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand he is likening himself to all other cyclsits, doing what was acceptable a the time it was done (which is one of the reasons he can never admit to doping on his 2nd comeback), but on the other he is just the sort of high energy, in your face jerk that could shake cycling (and indeed other sports) out of the complacency surrounding doping. Throwing Pat under the bus was a good start.

    It assumes that he even had that conversation with McQuaid in the first place - it's not as if it's written down in a letter that Pat is going to attach to a press release.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    ThomThom wrote:
    Has to be an email interview given the lack of follow up questions.

    It was. I heard Benson confirm that on the radio yesterday.
  • hommelbier
    hommelbier Posts: 1,556
    Just for a bit of light relief

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CmgMUFzmDss
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Obree speaks

    http://road.cc/content/news/75270-graem ... t-nowadays
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    LA.jpg
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,656
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Obree speaks

    http://road.cc/content/news/75270-graem ... t-nowadays

    Absolute legend.
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  • rob churchill
    rob churchill Posts: 272
    frenchfighter wrote:
    LA.jpg

    And I thought he was speaking figuratively when he said he got a death sentence....
    I have a policy of only posting comment on the internet under my real name. This is to moderate my natural instinct to flame your fatuous, ill-informed, irrational, credulous, bigoted, semi-literate opinions to carbon, you knuckle-dragging f***wits.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Don't forget this small incident of his dirty character.

    Armstrong-takes-water-bottle.jpg

    Slimy greaseball.
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  • Coriander
    Coriander Posts: 1,326
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Don't forget this small incident of his dirty character.

    Armstrong-takes-water-bottle.jpg

    Slimy greaseball.

    What's the story here, I don't think I've seen that photo before.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Up the Ventoux, stage 20 Tdf '09. Guttierez is trying to hand his bottle to Contador as they are coming past. Lance reaches out and takes it for himself. Can't remember exactly but I think he may have tried to then pass it on to Contador after taking a drink but Contador refused.
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Up the Ventoux, stage 20 Tdf '09. The Caisse rider is trying to hand his bottle to Contador as they are coming past. Lance reaches out and takes it for himself. Can't remember exactly but I think he may have tried to then pass it on to Contador after taking a drink but Contador refused.

    Sorry, but have to ask. How does this become a "dirty character" / "slimy greaseball" incident? Especially in light of your comment "...can't remember exactly..."? :?
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    I've checked it. It happened just as I have described.
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Up the Ventoux, stage 20 Tdf '09. The Caisse rider is trying to hand his bottle to Contador as they are coming past. Lance reaches out and takes it for himself. Can't remember exactly but I think he may have tried to then pass it on to Contador after taking a drink but Contador refused.

    Sorry, but have to ask. How does this become a "dirty character" / "slimy greaseball" incident? Especially in light of your comment "...can't remember exactly..."? :?

    Basically he was stopping Contador getting a drink when he needed one. Any chance to get a slight advantage
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    sherer wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Up the Ventoux, stage 20 Tdf '09. The Caisse rider is trying to hand his bottle to Contador as they are coming past. Lance reaches out and takes it for himself. Can't remember exactly but I think he may have tried to then pass it on to Contador after taking a drink but Contador refused.

    Sorry, but have to ask. How does this become a "dirty character" / "slimy greaseball" incident? Especially in light of your comment "...can't remember exactly..."? :?

    Basically he was stopping Contador getting a drink when he needed one. Any chance to get a slight advantage

    Sounds more like you took a picture that you had no idea about the circumstances(hence the can't remember exactly)
    and turned it into what you want to see happening??? That sounded good to you so you're now posting it out there as a fact. Truth is you really don't need to bother because you're simply "preaching to the choir", as they say, and the choir will believe all you say as long as it suits their agenda. I'm pretty sure that your explanation fits their agenda. Me, I'm a heathen and don't sing in that churches choir. :wink:
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Just google it. The results will corroborate what I've described above.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Just google it. The results will corroborate what I've described above.

    Google what? :?
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    sherer wrote:
    Basically he was stopping Contador getting a drink when he needed one. Any chance to get a slight advantage
    Guttierez though was on a different (Trade) team to Bert, maybe Lance thought 'buying' favours like that ungentlemanly and intervened to ensure fair play. I inserted (Trade) as I wasn't sure of their positions in the Spanish best doper wins collective.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Just google it. The results will corroborate what I've described above.
    Google what? :?
    "Psychiatric help" would be my suggestion :wink:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    dougzz wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Just google it. The results will corroborate what I've described above.
    Google what? :?
    "Psychiatric help" would be my suggestion :wink:

    Sorry, tried that but without much success. :oops:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    dougzz wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    Basically he was stopping Contador getting a drink when he needed one. Any chance to get a slight advantage
    Guttierez though was on a different (Trade) team to Bert, maybe Lance thought 'buying' favours like that ungentlemanly and intervened to ensure fair play. I inserted (Trade) as I wasn't sure of their positions in the Spanish best doper wins collective.

    How do we know that LA wasn't handing the bottle back AFTER AC took a drink and asked him to(pretty please)? How do we know Guttierez wasn't helping LA? How do you know it didn't go down like this - "hey, is that the new Lemon Lime version of that powder?" "Ya, sure is." "can I have sip?." Or how about - "my that's a very well designed bottle, who makes it?"

    Is there video of all this or is this simply a moment in time photo?
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    From "El Pais" - 27 July 2009

    "Yo iba en fuga y me acaba de alcanzar el grupo de Contador y Armstrong. Iba por la izquierda de la carretera y cuando me alcanzó Contador, que iba por el centro, le ofrecí mi bidón, porque vi que él no tenía agua y soy su amigo", cuenta el cántabro Iván Gutiérrez, el número uno en fugas (581 kilómetros escapado, sin recompensa). "Pero fue alargar el brazo con el agua, cuando Armstrong, que iba un poco más retrasado, por el centro, lo cogió al vuelo y se adelantó a Alberto. Después de beber se lo ofreció a Alberto, pero éste pasó. Y ya se lo iba a quedar cuando le recordé que era mío, que me lo devolviera".

    Or roughly translated
    “I was in the breakaway when the group of Armstrong and Contador caught up with me. I was on the left of the road when Contador got to me. I offered him my bottle because I saw that he didn’t have any water and I am his friend,” says Ivan Gutierrez, who is number one in breakaways (in the entire Tour did 581 miles by himself.) “But, I extended my arm with the water when Armstrong who was a little behind me grabbed it on the fly taking it from Alberto’s reach. After drinking it, he offered it to Alberto, but he passed. And he was going to keep it when I reminded him it was mine and for him to return it."
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Up the Ventoux, stage 20 Tdf '09. Guttierez is trying to hand his bottle to Contador as they are coming past. Lance reaches out and takes it for himself. Can't remember exactly but I think he may have tried to then pass it on to Contador after taking a drink but Contador refused.

    Why would AC refuse if he was looking for a drink? Are you also saying that LA took a sip or two? Hard to imagine that LA or AC would drink anything offered up by another team. Cheating and all that ya know. But I could be wrong.
    Also of significance, did AC ask for the drink or was it offered to him? How do we know Guttierez was "trying to hand his bottle to Contador"? Or that he meant to hand it to anyone?
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    dennis, why not use google search to find out what went on between Contador and Armstrong in the 09 Tour. That will give you an idea as to why Contador wouldnt accept anything from Armstrong.

    Its an amazing thing, the internet. Lots to find out. And google's not a bad search engine though you appear to struggle with it.

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