Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

cornerblock

lemon63 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

lemon63 wrote:

Banksy on Lance;

It's not actually Banksy.

really? :roll:

No it's a Bonksy. No? Oh well please yourselves.

tailwindhome

RichN95 wrote:

lemon63 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

lemon63 wrote:

Banksy on Lance;

It's not actually Banksy.

really? :roll:

Three things give it away as a copy.

1. The artistry is sub-standard. It lacks detail and just looks a bit shoddy.
2. It's too obvious. Banksy has more wit and originality than that
3. Some website asked his agent. It's not him.

So it's a fake Banksy of a fake Armstrong.

That's like deep, man.

dave_1

mididoctors wrote:

Hinault had a part in this... everyone did

Agree. Was much happier reading wiggo's comments today..called LA a "lying bastrd" on 09-10 TDFs

ShutUpLegs

<Opens more popcorn>

Richmond Racer

Wiggins goes pop at Lance...


interview here, with added Froome:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21189201


Sweary shorter version here:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... trong.html

sherer

Dave_1 wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

Hinault had a part in this... everyone did

Agree. Was much happier reading wiggo's comments today..called LA a "lying bastrd" on 09-10 TDFs

the trouble is why didn't he say anything at the time, why didn't anyone else ? This is what the UCI needs to look into as most of the riders knew what was going on and are only now speaking up too late. They should be free to raise their suspicions at the time and have them looked into properly

dmclite-3.0

sherer wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

Hinault had a part in this... everyone did

Agree. Was much happier reading wiggo's comments today..called LA a "lying bastrd" on 09-10 TDFs

the trouble is why didn't he say anything at the time, why didn't anyone else ? This is what the UCI needs to look into as most of the riders knew what was going on and are only now speaking up too late. They should be free to raise their suspicions at the time and have them looked into properly

Maybe some of the riders were concerned for their jobs if they spoke out. Would you want to work in an environment where you are known as a whistleblower ? I think, with human nature is concerned a level of self preservation may always be present.

ddraver

Yes, thanks for that dmclite we did nt know.... :roll:

The question is how did such a culture arise?

dmclite-3.0

ddraver wrote:

Yes, thanks for that dmclite we did nt know.... :roll:

The question is how did such a culture arise?

Sorry, looks like I'm upsetting everyone in pro-race lately.

MrTapir

dmclite-3.0 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Yes, thanks for that dmclite we did nt know.... :roll:

The question is how did such a culture arise?

Sorry, looks like I'm upsetting everyone in pro-race lately.

Not me, your avatar looks too delicious.

Pross

sherer wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

Hinault had a part in this... everyone did

Agree. Was much happier reading wiggo's comments today..called LA a "lying bastrd" on 09-10 TDFs

the trouble is why didn't he say anything at the time, why didn't anyone else ? This is what the UCI needs to look into as most of the riders knew what was going on and are only now speaking up too late. They should be free to raise their suspicions at the time and have them looked into properly

Fear of being sued? He didn't say he knew Lance was doping in 2009, just that he suspected it. With Lance's reputation for sueing people hardly anyone was going to take the chance unless they could prove he was using anything. Even now Brad is taking a chance as LA hasn't admitted to 2009 and 2010 but I suspect with the USADA effectively finding him guilty in those years and the battering he has taken he will now stay away from courts (other than those he gets dragged into by those he wronged)

Trev The Rev

Bradley Wiggins: No sympathy for Lance Armstrong — Cycling Weekly
Bradley Wiggins lashed out at Lance Armstrong at Sky’s training camp media day this week, saying he lost trust in the banned American late in the 2009 Tour de France. Wiggins, winner of the 2012 Tour, told Cycling Weekly that he believes Armstrong was doping during his comeback in 2009.

“That was the thing that upset me the most about 2009 and 2010. I thought, ‘you lying bastard.’ I can still remember going toe-to-toe with him, watching him and his body language. The man I saw at the top of Verbier in 2009 to the man I saw on the top of Ventoux two weeks later, it wasn’t the same bike rider. Watch the videos and see the way the guy was riding. I just don’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth anymore,” said Wiggins.

Wiggins finished fourth in the 2009 Tour, one place behind Armstrong, and lost time to the American on Mount Ventoux after dropping him two weeks earlier on the Verbier. The UCI wiped Armstrong’s name from the results sheet in October, but did not promote Wiggins to third, deciding to leave his Tour results from 1999 on blank.

“When he started welling up about his 13-year-old son asking him what it’s all about — I never have to have that conversation with my own son. His father’s won the Tour clean; there’s this element of being smug about the whole thing to be honest. Then I got a ‘you deserve everything you get’ kind of thing. By the end, I was feeling no sympathy for him behind all the welling up and the tears,” said Wiggins.

ddraver

Can't wait until he tests positive , shove down throat etc etc....\

Can you merge this into the Armstrong thread again please Rick? We ve already done it in there...

ddraver

For some reason Vaughters is having a pop at Wiggins about this...as usual he's doing and iain and not telling anyone why (at least he hadnt at time of posting)

bockers

sherer wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

Hinault had a part in this... everyone did

Agree. Was much happier reading wiggo's comments today..called LA a "lying bastrd" on 09-10 TDFs

the trouble is why didn't he say anything at the time, why didn't anyone else ? This is what the UCI needs to look into as most of the riders knew what was going on and are only now speaking up too late. They should be free to raise their suspicions at the time and have them looked into properly

Given how the UCI reacted to Landis and Kimmage i can't see any ride who has a career to lose risking talking out. Which is why the whole issue is not Armstrong, it is how Armstrong got away with it and how compliant the UCI were in this. Armstrong can confess and cry all he likes but until this issue is sorted there is no reason to think that the same scandal with another team will not happen again in a few years.

Richmond Racer

ddraver wrote:

For some reason Vaughters is having a pop at Wiggins about this...as usual he's doing and iain and not telling anyone why (at least he hadnt at time of posting)

Suspect its because Vaughters had gone on public record as saying that he thought Lance rode clean on his comeback

and now he feels a tool

also...although Vaughters has often stated his view on Twatter that Wiggo and Sky are clean, I think the business about Wiggins leaving still rankles with him a hell of a lot (as it did Millar till they kissed and made up at the '11 Worlds)

Trev The Rev

ddraver wrote:

Can't wait until he tests positive , shove down throat etc etc....\

Can you merge this into the Armstrong thread again please Rick? We ve already done it in there...

Following my every post like a tart with wet panties.

Rick, who runs this forum, you or ddraver?

ddraver

I do win that one...

pat1cp

Trev The Rev wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Can't wait until he tests positive , shove down throat etc etc....\

Can you merge this into the Armstrong thread again please Rick? We ve already done it in there...

Following my every post like a tart with wet panties.

Rick, who runs this forum, you or ddraver?

Have you seen the #sandwichvan e-mail ?

mr_poll

Richmond Racer wrote:

ddraver wrote:

For some reason Vaughters is having a pop at Wiggins about this...as usual he's doing and iain and not telling anyone why (at least he hadnt at time of posting)

Suspect its because Vaughters had gone on public record as saying that he thought Lance rode clean on his comeback

and now he feels a tool

also...although Vaughters has often stated his view on Twatter that Wiggo and Sky are clean, I think the business about Wiggins leaving still rankles with him a hell of a lot (as it did Millar till they kissed and made up at the '11 Worlds)

I dont get Vaughters tweet - basically saying that Wiggo always had LA in his ear about leaving Garmin. A contender tries to unsettle a rival with a bit of psychological warfare and mind games - bet that's never happened before in any sport!

Was there anything to suggest that Wiggo was looking to leave Garmin or go over to Astana/Radioshack - I know he went to Sky but was that just a coincidence (a British team with ppl he knew) - or was Wiggo really taking career advice from LA?

r0bh

ddraver wrote:

For some reason Vaughters is having a pop at Wiggins about this...as usual he's doing and iain and not telling anyone why (at least he hadnt at time of posting)

I've given up taking note of anything that Vaughters says. I can't help but see him as anything more than a massive hypocrite these days.

Richmond Racer

mr_poll wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

ddraver wrote:

For some reason Vaughters is having a pop at Wiggins about this...as usual he's doing and iain and not telling anyone why (at least he hadnt at time of posting)

Suspect its because Vaughters had gone on public record as saying that he thought Lance rode clean on his comeback

and now he feels a tool

also...although Vaughters has often stated his view on Twatter that Wiggo and Sky are clean, I think the business about Wiggins leaving still rankles with him a hell of a lot (as it did Millar till they kissed and made up at the '11 Worlds)

I dont get Vaughters tweet - basically saying that Wiggo always had LA in his ear about leaving Garmin. A contender tries to unsettle a rival with a bit of psychological warfare and mind games - bet that's never happened before in any sport!

Was there anything to suggest that Wiggo was looking to leave Garmin or go over to Astana/Radioshack - I know he went to Sky but was that just a coincidence (a British team with ppl he knew) - or was Wiggo really taking career advice from LA?

From accounts of both Wiggins himself and Richard Moore in his Sky book, Wiggins has only just signed with Garmin and wasnt looking to go anywhere just 6 months into it till Brailsford approached him during the 09 Tour to offer him contract at Sky.

Given the history and needling (no pun intended) between Vaughters and Lance, maybe Lance was having little digs into Wiggins ear specifically and solely to wind up Vaughters. Looks like it worked alright.

Richmond Racer

r0bh wrote:

ddraver wrote:

For some reason Vaughters is having a pop at Wiggins about this...as usual he's doing and iain and not telling anyone why (at least he hadnt at time of posting)

I've given up taking note of anything that Vaughters says. I can't help but see him as anything more than a massive hypocrite these days.

And yeah, there's a good dollop of that

iainf72

I always find it a bit odd that Wiggins was on Garmin, and would have heard the doping stories from USPS (If Kimmage heard them, surely Wiggins would've) yet the doping thing seemed to be a shock.

dave_1

If Iain is right then wiggo is not genuine in what he said

Trev The Rev

iainf72 wrote:

I always find it a bit odd that Wiggins was on Garmin, and would have heard the doping stories from USPS (If Kimmage heard them, surely Wiggins would've) yet the doping thing seemed to be a shock.

Wiggins had nothing bad to say about Armstrong until the report came out, and since then he has been following the party line as handed out by Brailsford.

ddraver

Maybe Wiggins didnt ask, Iain. You can bet your bottom dollar that Kimmage did.

I think Vaughters has a hell of a lot of residual anger for Armstrong (who can blame him) and Wiggins (who is far from blameless in the whole Garmin saga) and this just rubs him up the wrong way. The tweets sounded a lot more like someone trying to find something to be angry about to me. Suspect it was more of a tweet before you think thing rather than anything significant...

Pross

Trev The Rev wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

I always find it a bit odd that Wiggins was on Garmin, and would have heard the doping stories from USPS (If Kimmage heard them, surely Wiggins would've) yet the doping thing seemed to be a shock.

Wiggins had nothing bad to say about Armstrong until the report came out, and since then he has been following the party line as handed out by Brailsford.

Until the report came out anything regarding LA was unproven and the person who made any accussations was likely to end up being sued by him. At least he has now said something and it is a lot better than some of the crap that has come from within the professional ranks ( 'it was a long time ago and in another country' or 'we should forget all about him').

r0bh

iainf72 wrote:

I always find it a bit odd that Wiggins was on Garmin, and would have heard the doping stories from USPS (If Kimmage heard them, surely Wiggins would've) yet the doping thing seemed to be a shock.

From his tweets it didn't look like Danny Pate was fully aware of the history of the Garmin inner circle. Do you really think the conversation at post stage meals etc was about how they doped in the old days?

Trev The Rev

Pross wrote:

Trev The Rev wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

I always find it a bit odd that Wiggins was on Garmin, and would have heard the doping stories from USPS (If Kimmage heard them, surely Wiggins would've) yet the doping thing seemed to be a shock.

Wiggins had nothing bad to say about Armstrong until the report came out, and since then he has been following the party line as handed out by Brailsford.

Until the report came out anything regarding LA was unproven and the person who made any accussations was likely to end up being sued by him. At least he has now said something and it is a lot better than some of the crap that has come from within the professional ranks ( 'it was a long time ago and in another country' or 'we should forget all about him').

Unlike Emma O'Reilly and Betsy Andreu who had little money and did speak out Wiggins who has a lot of money chose to say nice things about Armstrong. Don't remember Wiggins standing up for Andreu or O'Reilly, or Bassons for that matter.. Wiggins probably thought it was best to keep schtum, what with half his team and coaches and doctor not being able to stay in the clean team because they have not always been clean.