Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • feltkuota
    feltkuota Posts: 333
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I always find it a bit odd that Wiggins was on Garmin, and would have heard the doping stories from USPS (If Kimmage heard them, surely Wiggins would've) yet the doping thing seemed to be a shock.

    Wiggins had nothing bad to say about Armstrong until the report came out, and since then he has been following the party line as handed out by Brailsford.

    Until the report came out anything regarding LA was unproven and the person who made any accussations was likely to end up being sued by him. At least he has now said something and it is a lot better than some of the crap that has come from within the professional ranks ( 'it was a long time ago and in another country' or 'we should forget all about him').

    Unlike Emma O'Reilly and Betsy Andreu who had little money and did speak out Wiggins who has a lot of money chose to say nice things about Armstrong. Don't remember Wiggins standing up for Andreu or O'Reilly, or Bassons for that matter.. Wiggins probably thought it was best to keep schtum, what with half his team and coaches and doctor not being able to stay in the clean team because they have not always been clean.


    Couple of observations. O'Reilly and Andreu spoke out because they had heard or seen something. Well done them. I think, from memory mind, that Bassons, O'Reilly and Andreu were all pre Wiggins getting involved in the Tour as he was a track cyclist at the time. What was Wiggins supposed to speak out about if all he had was a feeling?
  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    Armstrong to give an interview to David Walsh as part of his settlement with the Sunday Times?
    RaceRadio thinks so.

    Think he'd rather part with the cash myself.
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  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    Oh, and in an interview with 60mins Travis Tygart has set Armstrong his homework....

    Tygart says that Armstrong did dope upon his return to cycling in 2009, and he was a heavy user of EPO, not a small one, as he claimed to Oprah. He also said he wrote a letter to Armstrong, saying he has a deadline of Feb. 6 to cooperate fully to USADA's investigation in exchange for possibly reducing the length of his lifetime ban from sports.

    An attorney for Armstrong told USADA that the cyclist cannot accommodate the Feb. 6 deadline, but the cyclist will cooperate with efforts to "clean up cycling." It's just that they believe the sport's governing body and world anti-doping officials should take the lead in the cleanup.

    Edit: here's the official CBS story:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-575 ... p-cycling/
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    UCI-Armstrong-WADA-USADA - it all gets played out blow by blow via the media, doesnt it. There's a lot of politicking going on.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    UCI-Armstrong-WADA-USADA - it all gets played out blow by blow via the media, doesnt it. There's a lot of politicking going on.

    Travis Tygart has given Lance until February 6th to come in and get ban reduced subject to under oath confession.
    Tygart will not get that confession if it is an 8 year ban
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    There is absolutely no compelling reason why Armstrong cannot comply with Tygart's deadline. He is still playing a power game and/or wants more time to tip people off and tell them to stash their cash.
    @JaunePeril

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  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    Trev The Rev wrote:
    Unlike Emma O'Reilly and Betsy Andreu who had little money and did speak out Wiggins who has a lot of money chose to say nice things about Armstrong. Don't remember Wiggins standing up for Andreu or O'Reilly, or Bassons for that matter.. Wiggins probably thought it was best to keep schtum, what with half his team and coaches and doctor not being able to stay in the clean team because they have not always been clean.
    The people you name had first hand experience of LA, so they spoke out based on what they knew, and their exchanges with him. Why would Wiggins offer opinions of these 3rd party matters. Is is supposed to have an opinion and express it on absolutely any matter that some journalist or brave forum warrior like yourself says he must? Why would he deliberately say bad things about the most hostile and influential person in the sport where he makes a living. He didn't owe the 3 people you mention a thing, I know that along with Walsh and Kimmage they are now being readied for sainthood, but why would Wiggins have cared?
    Where is your evidence Sky have not always been clean?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    UCI-Armstrong-WADA-USADA - it all gets played out blow by blow via the media, doesnt it. There's a lot of politicking going on.

    You make a good point. Sort of made me think that with all the politicing, media coverage, lawyers, back room deals(if you will), what chance is there that "Truth will out"? :? :?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Classic action

    Herman (who only found out recently that Armstrong lied to him for years) has said Armstrong is prepared to tell all. But not to USADA. Only WADA and the UCI.
    Poor baby.

    And Tim assures us Lance was clean in 09 / 10. Yep Tim, coz you've got a good record on this stuff
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    iainf72 wrote:
    Classic action

    Herman (who only found out recently that Armstrong lied to him for years) has said Armstrong is prepared to tell all. But not to USADA. Only WADA and the UCI.
    Poor baby.

    And Tim assures us Lance was clean in 09 / 10. Yep Tim, coz you've got a good record on this stuff

    Lance probably likes their credibility :roll:
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    UCI-Armstrong-WADA-USADA - it all gets played out blow by blow via the media, doesnt it. There's a lot of politicking going on.

    Travis Tygart has given Lance until February 6th to come in and get ban reduced subject to under oath confession.
    Tygart will not get that confession if it is an 8 year ban
    Travis Tygart 60 Minutes interview: Lance Armstrong lied to Oprah
    Last updated 16 hours and 32 minutes ago. Staff report Sporting News

    Lance Armstrong came clean to Oprah Winfrey about his use of blood doping products during the seven straight years he won the Tour de France, but U.S. Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart tells CBS’ “60 Minutes” that he didn’t’ tell the full truth.

    Tygart says that Armstrong did dope upon his return to cycling in 2009, and he was a heavy user of EPO, not a small one, as he claimed to Oprah. He also said he wrote a letter to Armstrong, saying he has a deadline of Feb. 6 to cooperate fully to USADA's investigation in exchange for possibly reducing the length of his lifetime ban from sports. An attorney for Armstrong told USADA that the cyclist cannot accommodate the Feb. 6 deadline, but the cyclist will cooperate with efforts to "clean up cycling." It's just that they believe the sport's governing body and world anti-doping officials should take the lead in the cleanup.
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  • dmclite-3.0
    dmclite-3.0 Posts: 845
    Just a thought and forgive me if I'm being ignorant but if LA were to get a dual nationality by marriage or other means would he be allowed to compete in other countries as a Non US national ?
    I don't mean to brag, I don't mean to boast, but I'm intercontinental when I eat French toast...
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    Radiohead/Doprah mash-up

    http://vimeo.com/58191312

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    dmclite-3.0 wrote:
    Just a thought and forgive me if I'm being ignorant but if LA were to get a dual nationality by marriage or other means would he be allowed to compete in other countries as a Non US national ?

    No the ban has been ratified by the UCI and WADA
  • dmclite-3.0
    dmclite-3.0 Posts: 845
    sherer wrote:
    dmclite-3.0 wrote:
    Just a thought and forgive me if I'm being ignorant but if LA were to get a dual nationality by marriage or other means would he be allowed to compete in other countries as a Non US national ?

    No the ban has been ratified by the UCI and WADA

    Ok, cheers.
    I don't mean to brag, I don't mean to boast, but I'm intercontinental when I eat French toast...
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    :o this thread has fallen off the front page of pro race forum for the first time in 6 months..when the Truth commission comes about..I bet 300 pages will be breached
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    anyone catch Tygart on 60 minutes last night ?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    Bit old and may have been posted before but the OGE riders respond to the interview with characteristic Aussie bluntness - http://m.soundcloud.com/cycling-central ... ans-ogrady

    Worth listening right to the end for some good old Larakin Stereotypes!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    sherer wrote:
    anyone catch Tygart on 60 minutes last night ?

    Here you go...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50139841n
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  • k-dog
    k-dog Posts: 1,652
    Hilarious.

    http://deadspin.com/5979505/lance-armst ... y-haunting
    I'm left handed, if that matters.
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    nic_77 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    anyone catch Tygart on 60 minutes last night ?

    Here you go...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50139841n

    Thanks, just watched it. Interesting analysis from Tygart re: LA doping during his comeback years.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Here's an odd little tidbit that you may or may not have heard. Disgraced Army General and CIA boss David Petrareus's girlfriend / biographer once tried to buy him an hour long private exercise session with LA. Apparently for his 60th birthday.
  • pat1cp
    pat1cp Posts: 766
    An article by Mark Webber worth 5 minutes of your time.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21240896

    Bertie gets a mention:-
    We'll never know but some of them on their day could have challenged the likes of Armstrong, Ivan Basso, Jan Ullrich, Alexander Vinokourov, Alberto Contador, Richard Virenque and so on. Sadly, we don't even know their names but in my reckoning they're morally streets ahead of those guys.
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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    pat1cp wrote:
    An article by Mark Webber worth 5 minutes of your time.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21240896

    Bertie gets a mention:-
    We'll never know but some of them on their day could have challenged the likes of Armstrong, Ivan Basso, Jan Ullrich, Alexander Vinokourov, Alberto Contador, Richard Virenque and so on. Sadly, we don't even know their names but in my reckoning they're morally streets ahead of those guys.
    Was just about to post the same. Good article, interesting that he had a chat with Kimmage about the whole affair. I reckon Webber would be a decent bloke to have a natter over a few pints with.
  • merinotop
    merinotop Posts: 12
    Somebody tweeted this article http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n22/david-runciman/everybody-gets-popped which is a great explanation of cycling, doping and LA. For others, who like me are new to cycling, it's the best and clearest article I've read so far.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Ok folks, here we go

    Armstrong speaks:

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-a ... -interview

    'No generation was exempt or 'clean'. Not Merckx, not Hinault, not LeMond, not Coppi, not Gimondi, not Indurain, not Anquetil, not Bartali, and not mine.'
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    edited January 2013
    Hardly news in that. Still seems to be the same b'ellend as he always has been.

    I'm surprised he didn't say the words 'personal vendetta' one time as that was what this whole interview was about from Lance's part. He's still a poor victim...
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    Well, it says a lot about the current situation that Armstrong appears as a voice of reason (no swear filter could contain the words I wanted to use to type that sentence)

    All of what he says is pretty accurate! A few shots at the US Postal cyclists (which is understandable) aside...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ddraver wrote:
    Well, it says a lot about the current situation that Armstrong appears as a voice of reason (no swear filter could contain the words I wanted to use to type that sentence)

    All of what he says is pretty accurate! A few shots at the US Postal cyclists (which is understandable) aside...


    hmmm. How can anyone believe for one moment that he recommended T&R to Fat Pat 'many months ago'. Since when has he wanted any truth to come out?

    Also have to say that Benson's soft-pedalled these questions to a level that we'd alll slam if it was Oprah asking them

    'How much is the current level of hypocrisy a frustration for you?'

    'Do you feel like you're the fall guy for an entire sport/system?'

    'It's pretty clear to anyone with a brain that the UCI played the game and knew the score, yet Pat McQuaid said you had no place in cycling. How did that make you feel? What do you think of the UCI?'
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    That Cyclingnews interview is a joke right ????? - Oprah asked more indepth questions and this is a Cycling Journo ?

    No mention of why did he duck the betsy question,Bassons/Simeoni,Tour de Suisse positive,LeMond's bike Buiss,Kimmage etc etc...yeah some "exclusive interview eh" :roll:

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