Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
Comments
-
I know. Twas funny though.0
-
Cumulonimbus wrote:Armstrong being investigated for obstruction, witness tampering and intimidation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21347525
http://abcnews.go.com/US/lance-armstron ... d=18415386
Just got and read Tyler's book. LA comes across as
a nightmare to deal with...his demise willl not
bring change though. Only good testing will.0 -
Dave_1 wrote:Cumulonimbus wrote:Armstrong being investigated for obstruction, witness tampering and intimidation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21347525
http://abcnews.go.com/US/lance-armstron ... d=18415386
Just got and read Tyler's book. LA comes across as
a nightmare to deal with...his demise willl not
bring change though. Only good testing will.
One of the things that I do see coming out of it that's useful, is the effect its having on other sports, with media, even fans, starting to question the lack of robustness on their AD programs, policing etc. Tennins, AFL etc as first examples...0 -
frenchfighter wrote:There is so much shite in this thread that I barely read any of it. I just post something if I think people reading it may enjoy it or find it interesting.
Don't know if that statement is ironic or not but it's certainly shite.0 -
dennisn wrote:lloyd bower wrote:ddraver wrote:You'd havea point Frenchie, apart from the reality that when Armstrong was riding he had 175/180 odd friends in the peloton who were all 100% behind him stopping the truth coming out..
Unfortunately, both of them are cheaters and neither of them have high grade characters
Yep, last paragraph spot on. Both dopers, one's now admitted to some but not all of his sins, the other still in denial.
Seems that some people are really into this denial thing. How does a bike racer being in denial affect their lives?
I can see people who are close to someone worrying about someone "in denial" about whatever but why and by what right do "forumites" demand that that a complete stranger come clean with himself? Or even assume that he has anything to come clean about?
It just goes back to the same old thing I've always said. People have put these these riders up on pedestals as almost Gods and idols. How they find out differently and seem to be demanding that all the cheaters admit they are human, when in fact they were always human and NOT the Gods you made them out to be.
If you think that their admitting to themselves that they cheated / doped is going to help YOU then you're the one in denial.
For gods sake dennisn just shut up. I've followed this thread for ages now and you never actually seem to have an opinion, you just question everyone else's. You really add nothing to this forum that I've read except page length which in itself is no reason to post. If your purpose for these posts is to wind people up then congratulations, you've succeeded and you can now move onto some other forum and leave us in peace.......rant over.
And please don't bother to reply as I just do not care to read any more of your drivel.0 -
cyclingsheep wrote:
And please don't bother to reply as I just do not care to read any more of your drivel.
If you click on someone's name there is an option to add foe. The posts of this user are then hidden.0 -
Haha why do people get so wound up by dennisn? Just because he had a slightly differing opinion? To be honest what he said there it very much an arguable point (both ways) and it's definitely similar to the line many other posters' hold.
I think maybe because he always uses the quote function people take it personally. Oh dear.
cyclingsheep - who are you to tell someone to shut up on the internet. It just makes you sound like a silly intolerant person. I'd far rather read what dennisn wrote than what you just did.0 -
EKIMIKE wrote:Haha why do people get so wound up by dennisn? Just because he had a slightly differing opinion? To be honest what he said there it very much an arguable point (both ways) and it's definitely similar to the line many other posters' hold.
Wow!!!! Never thought my post's would be referred to as "slightly" differing.
0 -
In honesty I do find dennisn a bit annoying but you can turn it to ignore. That said, once in a while I read something he has put and think 'hit the nail on the head'. He's never rude and even less often changes his opinion and less again seems to really get what the replies to him mean. But, I was just reading the 'Walsh and Team sky' thread and there is a large similarity between dennisn and how he explains himself and his points of view and @festinagirl (micron in that thread). I think micron perfectly fits the description of what dennisn thinks we are like 'desperate for vengeance after Wong duped by LA and want his downfall to make us better about being made to feel stupid' (btw that isn't the case, dennisn). However, micron/@festinagirl seems to wish that same demise on teamsky/wiggo just because they have a few similar tactics to USPS (all the best riders, controlled peloton) with no real evidence. In the same way I presume most people here think someone who has damaged so many lives, the sport all the while being a smug arrogant c*nt about it 7 times over deserves everything he gets...not because any of us feel personally humiliated or duped.
I'm 99% sure the same wont happen with Sky...festinagirl/micron disagrees (with no evidence, it seems) but bangs on anyway.....0 -
Doping is now 'the' story in sport and I think will remain so for the next few years. I think we are going to see an awful lot of sportsmen and women found out. The media know they are onto a good thing, look how much mileage even the mainstream media got out of the Armstrong story. It'll sell print and get footfall online meaning advertising revenue. Tip of the iceberg I reckon.Richmond Racer wrote:Dave_1 wrote:Cumulonimbus wrote:Armstrong being investigated for obstruction, witness tampering and intimidation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21347525
http://abcnews.go.com/US/lance-armstron ... d=18415386
Just got and read Tyler's book. LA comes across as
a nightmare to deal with...his demise willl not
bring change though. Only good testing will.
One of the things that I do see coming out of it that's useful, is the effect its having on other sports, with media, even fans, starting to question the lack of robustness on their AD programs, policing etc. Tennins, AFL etc as first examples...0 -
Armstrong in 11th hour talks with USADA - in other news Weisel denies knowing anything about armstrongs doping, even though they were co owners of Tailwind sports.
Ah pro cycling - the gift that just keeps on giving 0 -
Armstrong to get 2 more weeks to cooperate and help clean up cycling - that's all kinds of WTF - Armstrong doesn't give a shoot about the sport only what's best or himself - can he ever be a genuine part of the solution when he's such a big part f the problem?0
-
I like what Dennisn posts, he seems quite rational and is comfortable with his opinions and conclusions. It also helps that I agree with a lot of what he says.
If we pick and choose what dopers are worse than others then nobody has any justification to shout someone else down. You can't idolise Pantani and dislike Armstrong then preach on here to internet strangers, its deeply hyprocritical and completely personally biased.I don't mean to brag, I don't mean to boast, but I'm intercontinental when I eat French toast...0 -
I find quite a lot of informative comments on here and saved the forum having too many Lance A threads.Garry H wrote:+1 most of it is unbearable.
Anyway, looks like Lance will go under oath at USAD
A within the next two weeks so my question is " how will his confession differ from Oprah and how many will he name?0 -
Dave_1 wrote:
I find quite a lot of informative comments on here and saved the forum having too many Lance A threads.Garry H wrote:+1 most of it is unbearable.
Anyway, looks like Lance will go under oath at USAD
A within the next two weeks so my question is " how will his confession differ from Oprah and how many will he name?
Hmm...I'd assume that he must have offered up some sort of bone with the last minute contact last night. Otherwise Tygart and co are just being played for fools - and last year's events would indicate that's the last thing they are.
Yesterday SCA confirmed that they're about to file their $12m suit and it also came out on Tue that he's being investigated for obstruction, witness intimidation etc. All getting too hot for LA.0 -
If LA has dirt on Contador from his time at Astana (which he surely does), that'd be a big enough bone for Tygart.0
-
ratsbeyfus wrote:If LA has dirt on Contador from his time at Astana (which he surely does), that'd be a big enough bone for Tygart.
What's Tygart's jurisdiction over Contador?0 -
dish_dash wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:If LA has dirt on Contador from his time at Astana (which he surely does), that'd be a big enough bone for Tygart.
What's Tygart's jurisdiction over Contador?
Valid point. Zip. Spanish athlete riding for a Kazakh team when they were team mates. Of course USADA could pass any relevant onto their Spanish counterparts...where it would immediately make its way through a shredder - or result in another Spanish Royal family command to leave well alone
EDIT: though Bertie did ride for Disco in 07 when Armstrong was out...though he might have something from Buryneel about that period, I s'pose.0 -
Presumably if it does go into the realms of none US athletes then Tygart would pass the information to the relevant ADA but also send a copy of the information to the UCI and WADA to prevent it getting buried?0
-
OCLAESP had transfusion equipment from 2009 TdF astana team and made 7 DNA matches - leipheimer had gone home, so who do you think the odd man out was, considering that bruyneel had the team riding for Armstrong?
Apologies if point has been made previously 0 -
Sauce?micron wrote:OCLAESP had transfusion equipment from 2009 TdF astana team and made 7 DNA matches - leipheimer had gone home, so who do you think the odd man out was, considering that bruyneel had the team riding for Armstrong?
Apologies if point has been made previously0 -
0
-
dish_dash wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:If LA has dirt on Contador from his time at Astana (which he surely does), that'd be a big enough bone for Tygart.
What's Tygart's jurisdiction over Contador?
None. Just think Tygart would like to be add another massive scalp. USADA couldn't ban AC, but would have to pass on the info. Even if the Spanish try and brush it under the carpet, the UCI/WADA would have to appeal. It'd also take the heat off Lance as it would back up his assertion that everyone was at it, and still is at it.
^BTW, I realise that there are a huge number of 'ifs' in all of the above.0 -
I'll take it bloody with a dash of Clenbuterol if that's ok.hommelbier wrote:0 -
ratsbeyfus wrote:dish_dash wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:If LA has dirt on Contador from his time at Astana (which he surely does), that'd be a big enough bone for Tygart.
What's Tygart's jurisdiction over Contador?
None. Just think Tygart would like to be add another massive scalp. USADA couldn't ban AC, but would have to pass on the info. Even if the Spanish try and brush it under the carpet, the UCI/WADA would have to appeal. It'd also take the heat off Lance as it would back up his assertion that everyone was at it, and still is at it.
^BTW, I realise that there are a huge number of 'ifs' in all of the above.
This is the problem. I fancy, if LA was in fact born Juan Pelolta he'd still be regarded as the winner of the 7 TDF's. The system is all wrong.0 -
-
ratsbeyfus wrote:If LA has dirt on Contador from his time at Astana (which he surely does), that'd be a big enough bone for Tygart.
You know, I thought about this and came to the conclusion that he hasn't got anything. Because if he had he would have surely used it, even if insinuation. He has a lot to hate Contador for - he tried to fight him and lost badly.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Rather as if wiggins had been wiggolino he might be cut less slack?
My bedtime reading SCA v LA http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/124384622 if you're unfamiliar with the ins and outs of the Armstrong affaire this is a very neat summation0 -
micron wrote:Rather as if wiggins had been wiggolino he might be cut less slack?
My bedtime reading SCA v LA http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/124384622 if you're unfamiliar with the ins and outs of the Armstrong affaire this is a very neat summation
Well I dont know, micron. I guess if your object was say, J-Rod/Nibali instead of Wiggins, and your channel for everything you say about Wiggins was the same, and many of the recipients of your social media messaging had broader reach and more take up in more countries with the likes of Twatters, do you think you would get everyone falling down unquestioningly and saying, 'my god, you are right, thank you for showing me the true way?'
You place an awful lot on your angle of 'anglos believe 'foreigners' cheat but wont believe that anglos do'. This seems to be a very convenient line of thinking for you. It is also lazy and false. We have an example of a British ex-doper riding in the peloton, we have British ex-dopers from other sports like athletics, still competing. I'm sure that this line you peddle about 'anglos' plays wonderfully to your followers. But its false and its fake.0 -
ratsbeyfus wrote:If LA has dirt on Contador from his time at Astana (which he surely does), that'd be a big enough bone for Tygart.
I see 2 or 3 threats against Contador this year...Puerto DNA ID if BBs are released to WADA and if LA deeply implicates Bruyneel and Bruyneel then confesses ..esp re 2007-2008... but Hincapie seems to suggest no doping personally with Disco 2007 TDF team so maybe without LA it was individuals privately doping.0
