Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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You know who has been very quiet?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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ahhhhhhh he was good exactly what we expected. Good old lance.
Actually i know hes a no good bullying nasty piece of work but im warming to him
cant wait to see him talk about his kids and whats next tonight
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le patron wrote:But apparently he did the research before the comeback. Nothing the latest generation could do that he couldn't better.
I hope he gets pressed on that whole 'didn't cross the line since 2005' thing.
If he admits he was a total 'win at all costs' loon until only a few weeks ago (supposedly)......and he had to deal with Contador et al on his comeback .....and he was getting older with a winning streak....
I'm all ears.
Well if Mr Clean himself could win it in 08, Lance sure as hell thought he could rip the legs off everyone on his comeback0 -
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Ah...writing his opus magnus isnt he0
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Calpol wrote:
Biological passport - he said it.Yellow Peril wrote:not convinced about the no doping in 2009 why would he change a race winning preparation?
He's desperate to hold onto something of the TdF.
I thought he came over as I expected. Controlled. If he had blubbed and shown a load of contrition then I am sure people might have seen through it!! As it was, fairly typical Lance.
Riders get round that my micro dosing. Taking smaller doses more often so the levels in the blood stay more constant.
Either Floyd or Hamilton said the testing was a joke as the half life of EPO was so short it was so hard to get caught. I think the current test for EPO may be better as the drug now leaves markers they can pick up on but at the time it was easier0 -
Only if microdosed.sherer wrote:Team4Luke wrote:Question then, we know he doped, we know he was tested numerous times (maybe ?) at what point between sample and lab was the chain of evidence interrupted to produce a required result.
It wasn't. The life of EPO is so short that if you take it the night before a test or race then it won't show up in your system0 -
TailWindHome wrote:
dennisn. I know he's on vacation, but I could post from pretty much anywhere in the world if I wanted to :?0 -
frenchfighter wrote:
This just sums the press up for me. I have had to deal with the press a bit recently about some work stuff where we have a real good news story but the jounrnos are always trying to trip you up for a scoop. I appreciate they have jobs to do but fuck, if they used their ears more they would start to generate a bit of credibility...
Fair play Cav, even if he has a slightly strange accent.
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Yellow Peril wrote:just watched some highlights from last night. What a cold fish. All very measured and calculated, not much wailing ang gnashing of teeth. not convinced about the no doping in 2009 why would he change a race winning preparation?
He's desperate to hold onto something of the TdF.
An interesting comment on inrg is that if LA gives everyone up then he will have a case for a life ban to be reduced to 8 years. Backdate to his last offence means he can compete in triathlons or whatever floats his boat in only a few months.0 -
SecretSqirrel wrote:TailWindHome wrote:
dennisn. I know he's on vacation, but I could post from pretty much anywhere in the world if I wanted to :?
Help me out. Pray for snow. I've gone skiing. Way too tired to care about LA. Nighty night.0 -
Or maybe he has one of those superinjunction things out so nobody can write about him.TailWindHome wrote:0 -
2 things. He has admitted doping from mid 90s which pre dates Betsy hearing the hospital room admission. My guess is his cancer surgeons and medics made false statements at SCA. I also believe he admitted cortisone use earlier than mid 90s.0
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Time for some more Tour winners to own up? Some were defending Armstrong only a few months ago.
On August 26th Merckx said, "Lance has been very correct all through his career,” Merckx told La Dernière Heure. “What more can he do? All of the controls that he has done – over 500 since 2000 – have come back negative. Either the controls don’t serve any purpose or Armstrong was legit. The whole case is based on witnesses, it’s deeply unjust.”
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/merckx- ... -armstrong
24 July 2005
'He didn't transform himself thanks to the grace of God, but by building on all his setbacks, by training like hell and sorting out his lifestyle. To begin with he ate anything, drank quite a few beers, even before a major race. The cancer slimmed him down, but it also weakened him, I believe, quite a bit, and that's why he has limited what he does to the Tour de France. Without the cancer he would have had a racing record far beyond the norm.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/ju ... france2005
Pedro Delgardo on August 24th, "You talk about cheating but rather than trying to get justice, I think it's more about a power struggle between institutions. You can't now take away podium wins from a rider who's given his all,"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... eb004.1fa1
Merckx introduced Armstrong to Ferrari who trained Axel.
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/cycling ... Po7_aFadEI
In October Indurain still believed in Armstrong.
"Even now I believe in his innocence. He has always respected all the regulations… He has won all the cases he's had."
"I am a little taken aback. It is strange that this is done only from testimonies. Rules were in place and now it seems they have changed."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oc ... i-evidence0 -
So now its not true that he offered money to usada, and so he must be saying that Tygart is a big fat liar.
But, he has got the death penalty.0 -
Funny isnt it how his staunchest supporters scramble to drop him...
Liggett the senile old fool: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/l ... 6557336914**************************************************
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Donations to livestrong st $20k on friday. 3 x a normal day of donation0
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“I'm absolutely sure Cadel Evans won a clean Tour de France in 2011 as I'm absolutely sure Bradley Wiggins won a clean Tour de France and we look forward to a similar thing this year,” Liggett said.
He also said, only a few months ago, “I met a chap who worked with Armstrong on Saturday in Boulder, Colorado. He told me that he has a visit two years ago….there were agents from a particular agency. They said ‘will you tell us that Lance Armstrong took EPO, and we can assure you that you will never want for money again?’ He told them in words I can’t put on radio what to do with that,”0 -
My impressions of the bit when he talks about telling his son (i'm a father myself) were really that he was not showing much deep emotion. I say that cos I've got more moved about talking about things myself which are pretty regular downside of 'life' things, and every parent probably will know what I mean.
Not that I don't feel sorry for the kids, I hope they're alright.0 -
Trev The Rev wrote:“I'm absolutely sure Cadel Evans won a clean Tour de France in 2011 as I'm absolutely sure Bradley Wiggins won a clean Tour de France and we look forward to a similar thing this year,” Liggett said.
He's been sure about a lot of things. Fact is he doesn't know what he talks about with doping and when he does speak anything that's right, its through repeating what he's heard, or accidentally getting it right.
The "EPO is very very expensive" shows incredible naivety to the topic, and his wording didn't mean 'including hiring the skills needed' and omits the fact that most of the peloton could afford it no problem at all.
If there's one person not worth listening to its Phil Liggett. But, the problem is, he's a known name, and lots of people who don't know better might think his opinion will be worth taking on board as he's a 'voice' of cycling.0 -
Wiggins on Armstrong, ‘To spend virtually three weeks alongside him, competing directly with him for a podium place, was not something I had ever envisaged in my career, especially after he retired in 2005. It was the stuff of dreams and we began to develop a decent rapport, enjoying a gossip early in the day before the racing kicked off properly.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... z2IPXrQApB0 -
Trev The Rev wrote:Wiggins on Armstrong, ‘To spend virtually three weeks alongside him, competing directly with him for a podium place, was not something I had ever envisaged in my career, especially after he retired in 2005. It was the stuff of dreams and we began to develop a decent rapport, enjoying a gossip early in the day before the racing kicked off properly.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... z2IPXrQApB
Man who bullies and cajoles can also be quite charming shocker.
The premise of that article is where Kimmage falls down for me. It's much easier to be outspoken when you're finishing 158th or whatever. When you're a contender, you have to play politics a bit more to prevent 17 other teams riding against you for 3 weeks."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:Wiggins on Armstrong, ‘To spend virtually three weeks alongside him, competing directly with him for a podium place, was not something I had ever envisaged in my career, especially after he retired in 2005. It was the stuff of dreams and we began to develop a decent rapport, enjoying a gossip early in the day before the racing kicked off properly.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... z2IPXrQApB
Man who bullies and cajoles can also be quite charming shocker.
The premise of that article is where Kimmage falls down for me. It's much easier to be outspoken when you're finishing 158th or whatever. When you're a contender, you have to play politics a bit more to prevent 17 other teams riding against you for 3 weeks.
"I'm tested by the UCI God knows how many times a year, God knows how many times on this race and the Dauphine. Blood tested in the morning. What more can I do? Other than that? I don't know. I'd love to know. I'm only human at the end of the day. I'm not this robot. "
Now where have we heard that sort of thing before?0 -
Trev The Rev wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:Wiggins on Armstrong, ‘To spend virtually three weeks alongside him, competing directly with him for a podium place, was not something I had ever envisaged in my career, especially after he retired in 2005. It was the stuff of dreams and we began to develop a decent rapport, enjoying a gossip early in the day before the racing kicked off properly.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... z2IPXrQApB
Man who bullies and cajoles can also be quite charming shocker.
The premise of that article is where Kimmage falls down for me. It's much easier to be outspoken when you're finishing 158th or whatever. When you're a contender, you have to play politics a bit more to prevent 17 other teams riding against you for 3 weeks.
"I'm tested by the UCI God knows how many times a year, God knows how many times on this race and the Dauphine. Blood tested in the morning. What more can I do? Other than that? I don't know. I'd love to know. I'm only human at the end of the day. I'm not this robot. "
Now where have we heard that sort of thing before?
SO what should he say?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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You shouldn't persecute Jimmy Savile forever, we're not talking about Lance Armstrong here.0
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All athletes point to the amount of dope tests they undertake. Just because Lance said it, doesnt mean that every athlete must be held up to suspicion for saying similar. Funnily enough Lance doesnt hold the monopoly on language.
It is absolutely ridiculous to try to condemn athletes - of ANY sport that's regularly tested - from highlighting the fact that they're regularly tested. Firstly because its generally the truth. Secondly AD testing processes and controls in cycling have made huge progress since the 90s and early 00s - far more regular OOC testing, far more in-competition tests for the pros, the range of tests, the Whereabouts systems, and the biological passport (which I believe ALL WADA-code sports should be made to sign up to).
Its not unique to Wiggins. Even BR's own Pokerface wrote a blog that I read yesterday in which he writes extensively about how important testing is to him as a clean athlete. Want to challenge Pokerface now or doubt that he's a clean rider because he talks about being tested?
There's also how hard they train - but of course the likes of Trev will also say 'oh Lance talked about how hard he busted his ass' etc etc.
So the only things the athletes can say when asked to back up their assertions that they are clean are:
how hard they train
testing and AD controls
their antipathy to doping and why they wouldnt do it (about which actually Wiggins has said vastly more than almost any other rider up to and including his recent book)0
