Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Tour of Redemption 1999
Results
Overall
1st: Lance Armstrong, (USA), US Postal Service, 3687km in 91h 32' 16" (40.278km/h)
2nd: Alex Zülle, (Switzerland), Banesto, @ 7' 37"
3rd: Fernando Escartin, (Spain), Kelme, @ 10' 26"
4th: Laurent Dufaux, (Switzerland), Saeco, @ 14' 43"
5th: Angel Luis Casero, (Spain), Vitalicio Seguros, @ 15' 11"
6th: Abraham Olano, (Spain), ONCE-Deutsche Bank @ 16' 47"
7th: Daniele Nardello, (Italy), Mapei, @ 17' 02"
8th: Richard Virenque, (France), Polti, @ 17' 28"
9th: Wladimir Belli, (Italy), Festina, @ 17' 37"
10th: Andrea Peron, (Italy), ONCE-Deutsche Bank, @ 23' 10"
119th: Chris Boardman, (Great Britain), Crédit Agricole, @ 2h 47' 48"
(141st: Jacky Durand, (France), Lotto-Mobistar, @ 3h 19' 09")
Now Boardman was clean, others?0 -
Trev The Rev wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Greased, Trev's new approach to sport: No medals, trophies, titles, names on rosters etc to be awarded across sport for an indeterminate number of years because you never know what might come to light
That is not my approach. Your approach just got 7 Tours won by Armstrong with no winner at all, 2006 got the bloke who came 2nd to Landis, and 2010 got the bloke who came second to Contador.
You have been watching a farce for years, and the reason you were watching a farce was because people like you chose to believe in the farce year in year out and bought the merchandise and continued to feather the nests of a bunch of cheating liars.
Er....
1) I only got into races around 04.
2) Lance bored the a%se off me, and what little I did see by coming to the sport so late in his career pre retirement 2nd time around, didnt impress me
3) no merchandise around here. But from your anguished posts I suspect that some USPS or Disco stuff might have found its way into Chez Trev
4) Do not presume to know what I'm about. Your posts to date show a woeful understanding of a number of things. Probably best not to try to judge those you dont know. Top Tip there.0 -
Trev The Rev wrote:Tour of Redemption 1999
Results
Overall
1st: Lance Armstrong, (USA), US Postal Service, 3687km in 91h 32' 16" (40.278km/h)
2nd: Alex Zülle, (Switzerland), Banesto, @ 7' 37"
3rd: Fernando Escartin, (Spain), Kelme, @ 10' 26"
4th: Laurent Dufaux, (Switzerland), Saeco, @ 14' 43"
5th: Angel Luis Casero, (Spain), Vitalicio Seguros, @ 15' 11"
6th: Abraham Olano, (Spain), ONCE-Deutsche Bank @ 16' 47"
7th: Daniele Nardello, (Italy), Mapei, @ 17' 02"
8th: Richard Virenque, (France), Polti, @ 17' 28"
9th: Wladimir Belli, (Italy), Festina, @ 17' 37"
10th: Andrea Peron, (Italy), ONCE-Deutsche Bank, @ 23' 10"
119th: Chris Boardman, (Great Britain), Crédit Agricole, @ 2h 47' 48"
(141st: Jacky Durand, (France), Lotto-Mobistar, @ 3h 19' 09")
Now Boardman was clean, others?
I'd reserve judgement on Boardman, you never know what will come out in 30 years time.
By the way, discussing this whilst getting changed to go out on the bike has just made me get embro on my knackers. I hope you're happy"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Turfle wrote:Trev your arrogance is approaching Armstrong levels. The notion that only a select few had doubts about Armstrong (and other cyclists) is frankly bizarre. And offensive.
People like you want nothing more than for cycling to remain dirty.
I have never claimed only a few had doubts about Armstrong only that very few had the guts to speak out.
I do not want cycling to remain dirty, your remark is offensive.0 -
Trev, you come across as a deeply anguished soul. Why not take up a sport like, um, cycling? Its brilliant for clearing your head and getting all that angst out, for at least a while.
In fact, I'm gonna take my own advice and hit to the turbo for a while.
Very soothing, yet energising.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Trev The Rev wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Greased, Trev's new approach to sport: No medals, trophies, titles, names on rosters etc to be awarded across sport for an indeterminate number of years because you never know what might come to light
That is not my approach. Your approach just got 7 Tours won by Armstrong with no winner at all, 2006 got the bloke who came 2nd to Landis, and 2010 got the bloke who came second to Contador.
You have been watching a farce for years, and the reason you were watching a farce was because people like you chose to believe in the farce year in year out and bought the merchandise and continued to feather the nests of a bunch of cheating liars.
Er....
1) I only got into races around 04.
2) Lance bored the a%se off me, and what little I did see by coming to the sport so late in his career pre retirement 2nd time around, didnt impress me
3) no merchandise around here. But from your anguished posts I suspect that some USPS or Disco stuff might have found its way into Chez Trev
4) Do not presume to know what I'm about. Your posts to date show a woeful understanding of a number of things. Probably best not to try to judge those you dont know. Top Tip there.
2004 Tour.
Rank Name Team Time
DSQ Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal 83h 36' 02"
2 Andreas Klöden (GER) T-Mobile +6' 19"
3 Ivan Basso (ITA) Team CSC +6' 40"
4 Jan Ullrich (GER) T-Mobile +8' 50"
5 José Azevedo (POR) US Postal Service +14' 30"
6 Francisco Mancebo (ESP) Illes Balears-Banesto-Santander +18' 01"
7 Georg Totschnig (AUT) Gerolsteiner +18' 27"
8 Carlos Sastre (ESP) Team CSC +19' 51"
DSQ Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank +20' 12"
10 Óscar Pereiro (ESP) Phonak +22' 54"
[show]Final general classification (11–147)
List the clean riders.0 -
LA was saying he was clean from 2009 onwards. Do we have any performance indicators e.g. VAM, from him from 2009-2010, and how do they compare with Wiggins and Contador et al?0
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one last comment before turbo time, Trev.
So its fine for you to try to judge me, but when Turfle does the same to you, you behave like a 70 year old nun who's just have her habit lifted up.
This is called DOUBLE STANDARDS0 -
zammmmo wrote:LA was saying he was clean from 2009 onwards. Do we have any performance indicators e.g. VAM, from him from 2009-2010, and how do they compare with Wiggins and Contador et al?
Try the Science of Sport blog. They cover various sports including cycling. They'd done some good stuff.
http://www.sportsscientists.com/0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Trev, you come across as a deeply anguished soul. Why not take up a sport like, um, cycling? Its brilliant for clearing your head and getting all that angst out, for at least a while.
In fact, I'm gonna take my own advice and hit to the turbo for a while.
Very soothing, yet energising.
I have been cycling since 1963.0 -
Yes, Trev, I'm well aware of dopers winning races from 04 onwards. Thank you.
But since I've been following racing, as well as the blatently sus ones, or ones that subsequently turned out to be won through cheating, I've also seen some great performances that I trust until that trust is proven to have been misplaced.
I also believe in something that wasnt possible until recently, which is that clean riders can win big races.
I have faith in the sport and its future, even though I've been let down in the past. I believe that its cleaner than ever before, though there's still room for improvement.
I still love it. You, on the other hand, come across as a someone who's been cheated and robbed and taken it so personally that you're unable to enjoy it any more. Perhaps you should give up on it?0 -
feltkuota wrote:Got to say that I was a believer. The why's and the sense of that I've had to come to terms with since the Doj and USADA. For the avoidance of doubt he is now in the same box with all the other cheats and dopers. Yes he was probably the biggest and worst doper but still just a doper.
Of course he is a huge villain in many people's eyes, caused by his own deeds, bullied many, sued many and lied plenty but what do people want? He is at the end of the day someone that cheated at sport and went all in to depend the indefensible.
From the first part of the OW show, haven't yet seen the second, i took that perhaps he now got how much damage he has done. Whether that's because he now sees jail time, loss of fortune, misery for his children as the reason, is by and large irrelevant as the point is that he now appreciates the damage.
I know there are a huge amount of people and livelihoods he has harmed and I hope that they can find a resolution however he is just a man that has cheated at sport. That last line may sound like me defending him however it is not.
Anyway, flame away
Without sounding overly dramatic, I almost definitely wouldn't be into cycling today if it wasn't for Lance, and my mother suffering from cancer when I was 15. Whilst I decided long ago that the balence of probability was that Lance had doped to win the tours, I'm not exactly taking satisfaction in this long drawn out process.
Try as I might I very nearly found myself rooting for Lance in the Oprah interview. I guess my overall feeling is that, if lance hadn't been an English speaking rider, he wouldn't have become a worldwide phenomenon, and may not have faced the same scrutiny.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Yes, Trev, I'm well aware of dopers winning races from 04 onwards. Thank you.
But since I've been following racing, as well as the blatently sus ones, or ones that subsequently turned out to be won through cheating, I've also seen some great performances that I trust until that trust is proven to have been misplaced.
I also believe in something that wasnt possible until recently, which is that clean riders can win big races.
I have faith in the sport and its future, even though I've been let down in the past. I believe that its cleaner than ever before, though there's still room for improvement.
I still love it. You, on the other hand, come across as a someone who's been cheated and robbed and taken it so personally that you're unable to enjoy it any more. Perhaps you should give up on it?
Well I don't believe yet. But I do hope.0 -
I'm still interested in what went on in 2009-2010. I do wonder if perhaps he really meant to come back clean (promised his ex-wife, the whole Don Catlin thing, new approach with the media) but when he actually started racing again perhaps the test numbers weren't where they needed to be or just being back in competition again stirred up the "win at any cost" mentality and he went back to his old bad habits.0
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Eddie72 wrote:I'm still interested in what went on in 2009-2010. I do wonder if perhaps he really meant to come back clean (promised his ex-wife, the whole Don Catlin thing, new approach with the media) but when he actually started racing again perhaps the test numbers weren't where they needed to be or just being back in competition again stirred up the "win at any cost" mentality and he went back to his old bad habits.
No.
Catlin was exposed as horse poo early on and he can't conceive of cycling sans dopage.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
the fact is having jacked is bidy since the early to mid 90s even being clean in 2009 he would still have had the benifit of 10 years or more of doping behind him.
Add in he was still in contact with Ferrari and surrounded by the same people, plus the analysis of his blood values ( Why didn't ths UCI flag this up at the time ?) and it seems highly likely he was still doing the same as before0 -
Laura Trott's view
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0 ... 20,00.html
Says naff all but worth watching for her beautiful smile! ''oops"
"dope testings like massif!''We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Quick question -- I need a ruling.
I have a bet with someone at work. Would you people say that LA cried during part 2 with Oprah or not?
Serious beers on this, I said he wouldn't, she said (no one can resist Oprah's power) that he would.
Were there tears when he discussed his kids? I can't tell.0 -
Bakunin wrote:Quick question -- I need a ruling.
I have a bet with someone at work. Would you people say that LA cried during part 2 with Oprah or not?
Serious beers on this, I said he wouldn't, she said (no one can resist Oprah's power) that he would.
Were there tears when he discussed his kids? I can't tell.
I don't think he cried, but I haven't watched all of it - just that clip where he talks about his son which I believe is supposed to be the most emotional bit.Twitter: @RichN950 -
no mention on here re: 'shady deals' with uci. (lance mentioned shady and uci in first episode).
insisted that he had not bribed uci, but said some other things were shady.
for someone who is supposed to be an athiest, he 'amened' once and thanked god once.
the thank god and amen, may have been a fugure of speech, but i'm thinking it may have been deliberate theatre to mollify some people.--
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ddraver wrote:Laura Trott's view
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0 ... 20,00.html
Says naff all but worth watching for her beautiful smile! ''oops"
"dope testings like massif!''
Wow, hasnt got much between the ears...Contador is the Greatest0 -
No Idea - Who wants to watch a pair of bitches having a chat.dennisn wrote:
How's that theory working out for you?Nick Fitt wrote:Lying is no longer an option for him, he has tried that for a few months hasn't he, he can now only tell the truth.
:roll: :roll:
What truth have you heard :?: It will only get interesting if he ever "Has To" tell the truth.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Bakunin wrote:Quick question -- I need a ruling.
I have a bet with someone at work. Would you people say that LA cried during part 2 with Oprah or not?
Serious beers on this, I said he wouldn't, she said (no one can resist Oprah's power) that he would.
Were there tears when he discussed his kids? I can't tell.
No crying. I feel even when talking about his family and it was just fake acting emotion rather than the truth. Still full of lies and still trying to dictate the future0 -
Bakunin wrote:Quick question -- I need a ruling.
I have a bet with someone at work. Would you people say that LA cried during part 2 with Oprah or not?
Serious beers on this, I said he wouldn't, she said (no one can resist Oprah's power) that he would.
Were there tears when he discussed his kids? I can't tell.
Just watched (sorry ddranger mouse - no link, I recorded it). I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a tear in his eye, and I'm not here to lie to you. But, and this is important for you to understand this, the tear did not drop from the lid. So I'm going to say that Lance didn't 'cry', though I fully understand why others may have come to that conclusion. Hope that clarifies the situation.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:ddraver wrote:Laura Trott's view
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0 ... 20,00.html
Says naff all but worth watching for her beautiful smile! ''oops"
"dope testings like massif!''
Wow, hasnt got much between the ears...
Pre Olympics I used to get Laura Trott and Emma Pooley mixed up. I told my missus that I liked Laura Trott a lot as she struck me as a super intelligent person who always had interesting things to say. Needless to say when we first saw a Laura Trott post race interview I had a bit of explaining to do. Lovely lass though.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:ddraver wrote:Laura Trott's view
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0 ... 20,00.html
Says naff all but worth watching for her beautiful smile! ''oops"
"dope testings like massif!''
Wow, hasnt got much between the ears...
Whereas you have something between the ears at times, but lack the multiple Olympic and World Champs records, medals and jerseys - oh, and a fantastic career stretching into years ahead. Oh and ddrvavers undying love.
Oh well, cant have everything0 -
ratsbeyfus wrote:Bakunin wrote:Quick question -- I need a ruling.
I have a bet with someone at work. Would you people say that LA cried during part 2 with Oprah or not?
Serious beers on this, I said he wouldn't, she said (no one can resist Oprah's power) that he would.
Were there tears when he discussed his kids? I can't tell.
Just watched (sorry ddranger mouse - no link, I recorded it). I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a tear in his eye, and I'm not here to lie to you. But, and this is important for you to understand this, the tear did not drop from the lid. So I'm going to say that Lance didn't 'cry', though I fully understand why others may have come to that conclusion. Hope that clarifies the situation.
Keep it coming boys -- these opinions will constitute evidence in this case.0 -
RR, what would you rather do. Go round an oval track faster than your competitors on a given day and maybe get some endorsements for a while which took you years of single focused training. Or a well rounded character, developed education, great and sustainable career. I know which I'd rather have without having to think twice. But I don't blame others for making other choices - the World needs all sorts.
I suppose I need to stop being surprised or disappointed when high flying sports people are pretty thick and boring.
Yes, ratty - Pooley is class act. Intelligent (studying for phd), well spoken, attractive, speaks brilliant French, very successful bike rider.Contador is the Greatest0
