Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Ty Ty TyContador is the Greatest0
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Interesting photo from the second half of the interview
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/lancearmstrong/9810322/Lance-Armstrongs-cold-contempt-for-cycling-remains-as-significant-as-ever.-He-is-beyond-redemption.html
Says it all for me..Kinesis Racelite 4s disc
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k-dog wrote:Yeah, they recorded the whole thing in one go and just split it over two night so they could sell more advertising.
...and according to the Independent, tonights is rumoured to be about the kids, family etc. I loathe the man even more after watching the interview and reflecting on his comments and what we now know to be true.0 -
MrSweary wrote:
So says Brendan "It's all a conspiracy/witch hunt, prove it! He never failed a test! Where's the evidence?" Gallagher.
This is the worst bit of this for me. His apologists having Damaclean conversions to the ways of truth and justice when they must have known all along what was up."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:MrSweary wrote:
So says Brendan "It's all a conspiracy/witch hunt, prove it! He never failed a test! Where's the evidence?" Gallagher.
This is the worst bit of this for me. His apologists having Damaclean conversions to the ways of truth and justice when they must have known all along what was up.
Yeah, leaves sour taste in the mouth alright. A few journos e.g. Rupert Guinness have held up their hands and said 'I got it wrong', but not Gallagher0 -
Rick Reilly also held his hands up, but he just switched his vitriol 180 degrees overnight."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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hmmmm.... http://www.lancearmstrong.com/bioLance's Story
If scripted by Hollywood, the story would be dismissed as trite melodrama: A deadly disease strikes a promising athlete. Despite desperately thin odds, he manages not only to beat the affliction but also to return to the sport and win its top prize, not once but a record seven times. Unbelievable, except it's true.
But the story doesn't end on the finish line at the Tour de France. His experience made him a part of a cancer community, and motivated him to unleash the same passion and drive he does in bike races to the fight against cancer.
Since he made history in 1999, he has won the tour six more times, and has become one of the most recognizable and admired people of this era.
People really should update their websites, the bold bit wouldn't take long to amend.0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:MrSweary wrote:
So says Brendan "It's all a conspiracy/witch hunt, prove it! He never failed a test! Where's the evidence?" Gallagher.
This is the worst bit of this for me. His apologists having Damaclean conversions to the ways of truth and justice when they must have known all along what was up.
Or you could just address the points he made.. all valid in my opinion - could have been said by anyone.Kinesis Racelite 4s disc
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MrSweary wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:MrSweary wrote:
So says Brendan "It's all a conspiracy/witch hunt, prove it! He never failed a test! Where's the evidence?" Gallagher.
This is the worst bit of this for me. His apologists having Damaclean conversions to the ways of truth and justice when they must have known all along what was up.
Or you could just address the points he made.. all valid in my opinion - could have been said by anyone.
No knock on points he's making - just that Gallagher has come out with some right old pony in the past0 -
MrSweary wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:MrSweary wrote:
So says Brendan "It's all a conspiracy/witch hunt, prove it! He never failed a test! Where's the evidence?" Gallagher.
This is the worst bit of this for me. His apologists having Damaclean conversions to the ways of truth and justice when they must have known all along what was up.
Or you could just address the points he made.. all valid in my opinion - could have been said by anyone.
Why should I listen to the opinions of a journalist who was sayingTo the wider, confused, sporting world nothing is yet 'proven' one way or the other. There has been a long litany of allegations but precious little supporting evidence.
In august."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Liggett showing his vast knowledge again..."He's gone halfway, he's told us he took drugs, he's told us how long he took drugs. He swears categorically he's never taken drugs since '05, since his comeback period. But that's all behind us now. Where did he get the drugs from? Where did all the big money go to pay for those drugs? Because it's very, very expensive to buy EPO. Who gave him the knowhow, the wherewithal to do it?" — Cycling commentator Phil Liggett to the Australian Broadcasting Corp.
That's right Phil, its very very expensive to buy EPO :roll: ...why doesn't Phil try educating himself to things before opening his trap.
Oh, and yes Phil, cos he says he's never taken drugs since 05, its behind us, cos now Lance has said that, its fact isn't it. Tit.0 -
Aaaaaand another berk"Sports is not life and death...but the work @lancearmstrong does for cancer research and cancer victims is." — Lieutenant Governor of California Gavin Newsom, via Twitter.
Lance does NOTHING for cancer research.0 -
mfin wrote:Liggett showing his vast knowledge again..."He's gone halfway, he's told us he took drugs, he's told us how long he took drugs. He swears categorically he's never taken drugs since '05, since his comeback period. But that's all behind us now. Where did he get the drugs from? Where did all the big money go to pay for those drugs? Because it's very, very expensive to buy EPO. Who gave him the knowhow, the wherewithal to do it?" — Cycling commentator Phil Liggett to the Australian Broadcasting Corp.
That's right Phil, its very very expensive to buy EPO :roll: ...why doesn't Phil try educating himself to things before opening his trap.
Oh, and yes Phil, cos he says he's never taken drugs since 05, its behind us, cos now Lance has said that, its fact isn't it. Tit.
Well if anyone's interested;Epoetin alfa
Binocrit® (Sandoz)
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I reckon the $1,000,000 or so that LA paid to Ferrari over the years would have bought enough Epo to get him through a race or seven.I have a policy of only posting comment on the internet under my real name. This is to moderate my natural instinct to flame your fatuous, ill-informed, irrational, credulous, bigoted, semi-literate opinions to carbon, you knuckle-dragging f***wits.0 -
ddraver wrote:How many Units per dose? Presumably 1 syringe per dose?!?
Man that costs naff all!! I want some!
Christ, even those Dutch lady hockey players wouldnt be able outrun you
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EPO wont necessarily improve your performance anyway, Im sticking to bacon rolls and porridge.0
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ddraver wrote:How many Units per dose? Presumably 1 syringe per dose?!?
Man that costs naff all!! I want some!
A dose would be something like 25-50 units per kg 3ish times a week. So that's something like 2,000 units at a time.
The FDA were pressured to state the max safe dose as 10,000 units but that was only really for severely ill people - that much in a healthy person is probably what killed some cyclists back then.
*all this is only my understanding from reading cycling books and websites. Not a recommended regimen!I'm left handed, if that matters.0 -
Agreed, he's already perjured himself with the EPO / Ferrari connection. But to confirm the Betsy story would drop others in it too (notably Stephanie McIlvain and maybe others who also testified). Lance is being quite honourable really*!sherer wrote:Thought no question was off limits but still ignored Betsy. Saying because of perjury is rubbish as once he's admitted EPO and Ferrari and doping then he's already [perjured himself.
[*that last sentence is most definitely a joke
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Lots of people (mainly cycling officianados) are tearing into the fact that it was Oprah doing this interview. I actually thought she was very credible and set an appropriate tone. This was never going to be a courtroom type appearance. For Armstrong's part I think he will be pretty pleased with how it went as I am sure it will come across very well with middle America who aren't necessarily that up on their cycling. He said all the right things albeit not in a particularly genuine or authentic manner, but I dont think a lot of people will pick up on that. The ongoing vilification is not something that I think serves us too well as it distracts from a couple of really important things.
1. The UCI's role in the governance of the sport that allowed this to take place unchecked and unchallenged for so long. They were just as obsessed about developing the sports profile using Lance and cashing in on the benefits as Lance was about winning.
2. The victims of the Armstrong defence machine like the Andreu's and many, neo pro riders whose refusal to dope ended their careers.
3. The amazing achievements of the current athletes competing in the sport who are all tarnished by this an may also see their careers affected if sponsors decide not to risk their brands by associating with such a tainted sport.
Its good that this is all getting dealt now, before the season really gets started otherwise it would further jeopardise the sports rehabilitation. I hope that some positive change can come out of this and I don't mean Lance becoming some sort of anti doping evangelist. We can never really trust anything he says ever again so I hope he just quietly co-operates with anything that will help the sport and gets on with his life.0 -
Question then, we know he doped, we know he was tested numerous times (maybe ?) at what point between sample and lab was the chain of evidence interrupted to produce a required result.Team4Luke supports Cardiac Risk in the Young0
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Team4Luke wrote:Question then, we know he doped, we know he was tested numerous times (maybe ?) at what point between sample and lab was the chain of evidence interrupted to produce a required result.
It wasn't. The life of EPO is so short that if you take it the night before a test or race then it won't show up in your system0 -
Calpol wrote:We can never really trust anything he says ever again so I hope he just quietly co-operates with anything that will help the sport and gets on with his life.
Some good points. He could be instrumental in the war on doping.
What I cannot understand is that all those teammates were culpable - 'bullied' or not. There must have been a whole network of people, doctors, soigneurs, suppliers etc, that aren't (don't seem to be) in the gunsights of WADA/UCI.
Although his conviction and subsequent admission is all quite startling and ultimately, enormously sad for cycling and the reputation of cycling, he cannot possibly shoulder all of the blame when there are so many others that would have assisted him and are complicit. Without completely diss-assembling the network that supported him/them and bringing them to trial, it won't do cycling any long term good.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
pinarello001 wrote:[ There must have been a whole network of people, doctors, soigneurs, suppliers etc, that aren't (don't seem to be) in the gunsights of WADA/UCI.
You mean like Dr Ferrari, Dr Pedro C, Pepe Marti, who were all named in the USADA case and are all facing bans or have been banned?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:pinarello001 wrote:[ There must have been a whole network of people, doctors, soigneurs, suppliers etc, that aren't (don't seem to be) in the gunsights of WADA/UCI.
You mean like Dr Ferrari, Dr Pedro C, Pepe Marti, who were all named in the USADA case and are all facing bans or have been banned?
Yes, you are right. The concentration of attention is on Armstrong. I had thought, perhaps naievely, that there would be a frenzy, just like after the Festina affair. Maybe (hopefully) that will happen once the dust has settled.
Are they going to rescind the results of all his team mates ?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
just watched some highlights from last night. What a cold fish. All very measured and calculated, not much wailing ang gnashing of teeth. not convinced about the no doping in 2009 why would he change a race winning preparation?
He's desperate to hold onto something of the TdF.0 -
sherer wrote:Team4Luke wrote:Question then, we know he doped, we know he was tested numerous times (maybe ?) at what point between sample and lab was the chain of evidence interrupted to produce a required result.
It wasn't. The life of EPO is so short that if you take it the night before a test or race then it won't show up in your system
they why test after races, are you certain about that.Team4Luke supports Cardiac Risk in the Young0 -
Biological passport - he said it.Yellow Peril wrote:not convinced about the no doping in 2009 why would he change a race winning preparation?
He's desperate to hold onto something of the TdF.
I thought he came over as I expected. Controlled. If he had blubbed and shown a load of contrition then I am sure people might have seen through it!! As it was, fairly typical Lance.0 -
But apparently he did the research before the comeback. Nothing the latest generation could do that he couldn't better.
I hope he gets pressed on that whole 'didn't cross the line since 2005' thing.
If he admits he was a total 'win at all costs' loon until only a few weeks ago (supposedly)......and he had to deal with Contador et al on his comeback .....and he was getting older with a winning streak....
I'm all ears.0
