Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Bakunin wrote:
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    Quick question -- I need a ruling.

    I have a bet with someone at work. Would you people say that LA cried during part 2 with Oprah or not?

    Serious beers on this, I said he wouldn't, she said (no one can resist Oprah's power) that he would.

    Were there tears when he discussed his kids? I can't tell.

    Just watched (sorry ddranger mouse - no link, I recorded it). I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a tear in his eye, and I'm not here to lie to you. But, and this is important for you to understand this, the tear did not drop from the lid. So I'm going to say that Lance didn't 'cry', though I fully understand why others may have come to that conclusion. Hope that clarifies the situation.

    Keep it coming boys -- these opinions will constitute evidence in this case.

    See it from after the 1min mark:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/18/sport ... ?hpt=hp_c2
    Wet eyes but no crying
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    frenchfighter wrote:
    RR, what would you rather do. Go round an oval track faster than your competitors on a given day and maybe get some endorsements for a while which took you years of single focused training. Or a well rounded character, developed education, great and sustainable career. I know which I'd rather have without having to think twice. But I don't blame others for making other choices - the World needs all sorts.

    I suppose I need to stop being surprised or disappointed when high flying sports people are pretty thick and boring.

    Yes, ratty - Pooley is class act. Intelligent (studying for phd), well spoken, attractive, speaks brilliant French, very successful bike rider.


    Intelligence comes in all kinds of forms, including emotional intelligence.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    Found one (temporarily) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMyIVAxLKAw

    With adverts though....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    frenchfighter wrote:
    RR, what would you rather do. Go round an oval track faster than your competitors on a given day and maybe get some endorsements for a while which took you years of single focused training. Or a well rounded character...

    'Well rounded character'? Why not pick something you've got for your example?

    Its not a cyclists job be be intelligent, although its correct intelligence takes many forms, emotional intelligence being mentioned. There are plenty of examples of quite air-headed cyclists, including Contador and my personal favourite EBH. Laura Trott does come across as quite a pleasant, gregarious and happy character though.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    I read Lance has said it is "highly unlikely" he will be going to usada.Shame.
    No DoJ qui tam announcement and Thursday was a deadline. Maybe giving
    money to Floyd who dope with usps money is an issue?
    Looks like a deal with DoJ is possible..maybe he will settle?
    http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1240710
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • cornerblock
    cornerblock Posts: 3,228
    Not sure if this has already been posted but listening to David Walsh this morning has made me realise that it's possible to dislike LA even more than I already did. I never knew Walsh had lost his son in a bicycle accident and that LA had made comments that his (Walsh) issues with cycling all stemmed from the death of this son. Jeez how low can you go?
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Cornerblock wrote:
    Not sure if this has already been posted but listening to David Walsh this morning has made me realise that it's possible to dislike LA even more than I already did. I never knew Walsh had lost his son in a bicycle accident and that LA had made comments that his (Walsh) issues with cycling all stemmed from the death of this son. Jeez how low can you go?


    Thanks for posting, just listening to it now.

    Walsh writes about the death of his son, John, in Seven Deadly Sins. He was just 12, was coming back from a ride, turned into their drive into the path of an ongoing vehicle.

    Armstrong=f^cker
  • fidgetyphil
    fidgetyphil Posts: 80
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Cornerblock wrote:
    Not sure if this has already been posted but listening to David Walsh this morning has made me realise that it's possible to dislike LA even more than I already did. I never knew Walsh had lost his son in a bicycle accident and that LA had made comments that his (Walsh) issues with cycling all stemmed from the death of this son. Jeez how low can you go?


    Thanks for posting, just listening to it now.

    Walsh writes about the death of his son, John, in Seven Deadly Sins. He was just 12, was coming back from a ride, turned into their drive into the path of an ongoing vehicle.

    Armstrong=f^cker


    Just listening to that and him talking about questions The Op missed out,
    After LA refused to comment on whether the Andreu discussion with the Drs ever happened and LA refused to comment, somewhere down the line she asked him if he thought the doping might have caused his cancer and he replied "no, and my doctors never said to me it might have", something along those lines, anyway. Now surely to f*ck you'd follow up with, "But they did know, then, you'd taken PEDs?" wouldn't you? Surely. Because if they didn't know you'd taken PEds the comment is meaningless.

    That may be the clumsiest post I've ever written, but hopefully you get my drift.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,728
    On a lighter note. (wait 30 seconds)
    http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com ... -aint-fat/
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    sherer wrote:
    No crying. I feel even when talking about his family and it was just fake acting emotion rather than the truth. Still full of lies and still trying to dictate the future
    Paul Kimmage The Observer, Saturday 19 January 2013 21.59 GMT wrote:
    A convincing 39 seconds, then back to the old Lance Armstrong

    The writer who memorably confronted the American about doping, says two nights watching the Oprah interviews only left him laughing

    Cue piano music and the credits.

    Here's my bottom line.

    In the autumn of 1993, Greg LeMond and his wife, Kathy, were sitting at home in the suburbs of Minneapolis, when they received a visit from Linda Mooneyham, the three-times Tour de France winner has recalled. Her 21-year-old son, Lance Armstrong, had just become the world champion and she had travelled from her home in Texas for advice.

    "What does he do now?" she asked. "What does he do with his money?"

    "Well, let him find an agent – a good one with an attorney," LeMond replied. "And one word of advice – just be his mom."

    They sat on the porch for a while and then moved inside to the kitchen. Linda had something else on her mind: "How do I make him less of an asshole. He doesn't care about anyone."

    "Well," LeMond replied. "I can't help you there."
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    frenchfighter wrote:
    RR, what would you rather do. Go round an oval track faster than your competitors on a given day and maybe get some endorsements for a while which took you years of single focused training. Or a well rounded character, developed education, great and sustainable career. I know which I'd rather have without having to think twice. But I don't blame others for making other choices - the World needs all sorts.

    I suppose I need to stop being surprised or disappointed when high flying sports people are pretty thick and boring.

    Yes, ratty - Pooley is class act. Intelligent (studying for phd), well spoken, attractive, speaks brilliant French, very successful bike rider.

    Yes, but you may want to cut Laura some slack here. She is new to the world of top track racing, and the media, and also very young. Don't think many are "well rounded" at her age.
    I am not saying she is not clever, but If I had been offered the chance to be a paid cyclist, especially at her age, I would not have hesitated.
    There is plenty of time after a full cycling career to train for another one. Pro cycling is a young persons sport, she is just taking the chances presented to her.

    personally I would settle for someone with her wonderful personality anytime, life is too short to discuss the works of Shakespear every night.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    The Poke have got a different version of the interview :wink:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2013/01/20/lan ... h-winfrey/
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    I'm assuming this is in reply to Armstrongs complaint about his ban being a life sentence.

    @TheDPate: Can you really complain about no longer being able to steal money?

    Strong stuff.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    I'm assuming this is in reply to Armstrongs complaint about his ban being a life sentence.

    @TheDPate: Can you really complain about no longer being able to steal money?

    Strong stuff.


    Yeah, Pate doesnt tweet that regularly but he's been on the money with a number of tweets over the last months re Lance, Danielson and dopers in general.

    He's fiercely anti-doping
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    I'm assuming this is in reply to Armstrongs complaint about his ban being a life sentence.

    @TheDPate: Can you really complain about no longer being able to steal money?

    Strong stuff.


    Yeah, Pate doesnt tweet that regularly but he's been on the money with a number of tweets over the last months re Lance, Danielson and dopers in general.

    He's fiercely anti-doping
    Good stuff. Might give him a follow, only saw the above retweeted.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    I'm assuming this is in reply to Armstrongs complaint about his ban being a life sentence.

    @TheDPate: Can you really complain about no longer being able to steal money?

    Strong stuff.


    Yeah, Pate doesnt tweet that regularly but he's been on the money with a number of tweets over the last months re Lance, Danielson and dopers in general.

    He's fiercely anti-doping
    Good stuff. Might give him a follow, only saw the above retweeted.


    Have a look back through his TL - there are some corkers
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    I'm assuming this is in reply to Armstrongs complaint about his ban being a life sentence.

    @TheDPate: Can you really complain about no longer being able to steal money?

    Strong stuff.
    Yeah, Pate doesnt tweet that regularly but he's been on the money with a number of tweets over the last months re Lance, Danielson and dopers in general.

    He's fiercely anti-doping
    Good stuff. Might give him a follow, only saw the above retweeted.
    Have a look back through his TL - there are some corkers

    This was a particular highlight

    pated.png
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    one of my favourites was in response to Danielson's half-witted comment last month that he wants to become an 'ambassador' for the sport :shock:

    Danny Pate @TheDPate 13 Dec
    Real ambassadors of our sport have never done blood transfusions, and tell more then 30% of the truth when they speak.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    I've come to the conclusion that I don't like Vaughters and I don't trust him. I used to think he was a decent man - not anymore.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • EKIMIKE
    EKIMIKE Posts: 2,232
    Pate is definitely on the money about Lance and his 'life sentence'.

    He says it's his desire to compete. I'd say it's the adulation, plaudits, recognition and money he wants from competition.

    If he really wanted competition then why doesn't he join his local running club. Go to the (unsanctioned) park 10k and beat a few middle aged dudes, students and teenagers?
    Canyon Endurace CF 2014 | Canyon Ultimate CF 2010
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    frenchfighter wrote:
    I've come to the conclusion that I don't like Vaughters and I don't trust him. I used to think he was a decent man - not anymore.
    Yeah, always seems a real stand up guy when he controls the narrative but the cracks appear when someone else is controlling it.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    I'm assuming this is in reply to Armstrongs complaint about his ban being a life sentence.

    @TheDPate: Can you really complain about no longer being able to steal money?

    Strong stuff.


    Yeah, Pate doesnt tweet that regularly but he's been on the money with a number of tweets over the last months re Lance, Danielson and dopers in general.

    He's fiercely anti-doping
    Good stuff. Might give him a follow, only saw the above retweeted.

    "It's a ploy - don't buy into it! Pate's using it as a diversion to draw attention away from the REAL questions HE doesn't want YOU asking. It's classic Sky tactics. Plus, he's American. Had Twitter been around in Lance's day, it'd be EXACTLY the sort of message he'd have been peddling...etc"

    I expect there to be one of those along some time soon...
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    What was Pate's career path in 2006 and who got him off it?
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Attention turns to Carmichael now

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/01/ ... ton_272041
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    What was Pate's career path in 2006 and who got him off it?
    2000 Saeco Macchine per Caffè-Valli & Valli
    2001–2003 Prime Alliance Cycling Team
    2004 Health Net-Maxxis
    2005 Jelly Belly-Pool Gel
    2006–2010 TIAA-CREF/Garmin
    2011 HTC-Highroad
    2012– Team Sky

    Now Vaughters may feel Pate is wrong as he gave him a chance, but this is a former World u23 TT Champion - he shouldn't have been struggling for a contract in the first place.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/bespoke

    BBC Radio 5 Live podcast from the other night - Jeremy Whittle, Simon Brotherton + others - dunno if it's been posted if anyone interested in listening to it. cheers.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    ^They re good them - Fair play to the BBC!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    RichN95 wrote:
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    What was Pate's career path in 2006 and who got him off it?
    2000 Saeco Macchine per Caffè-Valli & Valli
    2001–2003 Prime Alliance Cycling Team
    2004 Health Net-Maxxis
    2005 Jelly Belly-Pool Gel
    2006–2010 TIAA-CREF/Garmin
    2011 HTC-Highroad
    2012– Team Sky

    Now Vaughters may feel Pate is wrong as he gave him a chance, but this is a former World u23 TT Champion - he shouldn't have been struggling for a contract in the first place.

    Thanks Rich.

    So Rupert the Bear had 4 years off him, that's not a bad crack TBH. Does that mean he's not supposed to bitch about drugs? Confused about where Vaughters is coming from TBH.
  • EKIMIKE
    EKIMIKE Posts: 2,232
    Vaughters is so self-righteous he can't keep his mouth shut.

    He's done plenty of good but i don't like his style - it's so self absorbed.
    Canyon Endurace CF 2014 | Canyon Ultimate CF 2010
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Is he not saying that without the environment at Garmin (no needles etc) Pate wouldn't have found a World Tour level team he was comfortable enough in to develop into a performer at that level? And that without the experiences of Vaughters (who gave him that chance), or with them banned for life etc. that environment wouldn't exist?

    Viewing things in black and white is unhelpful, the world doesn't work that way.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent

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