Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

sherer

just reading Every Second Counts as I got it for a present ages ago. He's talking about the 2000 investigation and the Actovogin stuff at the moment. He's feeding all the French don't like me, it's anti-US feelings stuff already so I can see why a lot of the US still think he is innocent

dennisn

tarzan13 wrote:

The only way to clean up sports might be to hand out life-time bans and to remove any time limits on retrospective testing. Ideally there would also be a financial punishment.

i think you're overlooking the fact that even with the threat of a death sentence looming over peoples heads they will still commit crimes for money. You can't stop them, that's just wishful thinking. All that can be done is try to catch them. You may be being a bit idealistic in your thinking. You're talking about a sport that you yourself don't cheat at. Doping in pro sports is all about money and less so about the love of the sport itself. Think about the big money and i believe you will understand cheating a whole lot more. It was never about cycling and all about money.

tarzan13

i think you're overlooking the fact that even with the threat of a death sentence looming over peoples heads they will still commit crimes for money. You can't stop them, that's just wishful thinking. All that can be done is try to catch them. You may be being a bit idealistic in your thinking. You're talking about a sport that you yourself don't cheat at. Doping in pro sports is all about money and less so about the love of the sport itself. Think about the big money and i believe you will understand cheating a whole lot more. It was never about cycling and all about money.

I agree with what you are saying but not doing anything is not the solution either... I still think that for a lot of professionals they want the glory (hero) more than the money e.g. TDF or 500k. And yes, I do realise that by winning you could probably make more than 500k in sponsorship deals but that is not the point ...

PS: Lance is probably the best person to answer this question..... was he cheating cause he wanted to be the best or for the money...

dennisn

tarzan13 wrote:

i think you're overlooking the fact that even with the threat of a death sentence looming over peoples heads they will still commit crimes for money. You can't stop them, that's just wishful thinking. All that can be done is try to catch them. You may be being a bit idealistic in your thinking. You're talking about a sport that you yourself don't cheat at. Doping in pro sports is all about money and less so about the love of the sport itself. Think about the big money and i believe you will understand cheating a whole lot more. It was never about cycling and all about money.

I agree with what you are saying but not doing anything is not the solution either... I still think that for a lot of professionals they want the glory (hero) more than the money e.g. TDF or 500k. And yes, I do realise that by winning you could probably make more than 500k in sponsorship deals but that is not the point ...

PS: Lance is probably the best person to answer this question..... was he cheating cause he wanted to be the best or for the money...

Well, glory is a sort of cool thing, but money is what changes your "so called" station in life. Give me the money for that slopeside condo in Aspen and you can have the glory. I like to think of it in relation to that old saying, "Glory is fleeting".

tarzan13

dennisn wrote:

tarzan13 wrote:

i think you're overlooking the fact that even with the threat of a death sentence looming over peoples heads they will still commit crimes for money. You can't stop them, that's just wishful thinking. All that can be done is try to catch them. You may be being a bit idealistic in your thinking. You're talking about a sport that you yourself don't cheat at. Doping in pro sports is all about money and less so about the love of the sport itself. Think about the big money and i believe you will understand cheating a whole lot more. It was never about cycling and all about money.

I agree with what you are saying but not doing anything is not the solution either... I still think that for a lot of professionals they want the glory (hero) more than the money e.g. TDF or 500k. And yes, I do realise that by winning you could probably make more than 500k in sponsorship deals but that is not the point ...

PS: Lance is probably the best person to answer this question..... was he cheating cause he wanted to be the best or for the money...

Well, glory is a sort of cool thing, but money is what changes your "so called" station in life. Give me the money for that slopeside condo in Aspen and you can have the glory. I like to think of it in relation to that old saying, "Glory is fleeting".

I think you are correct in saying that it's a bit idealistic :oops: :oops: :oops: .... professionals having to ride and win to make money so that they can support their families probably think about the money they can get when they win a TDF rather than having the actual trophy... I think of pro cyclists as competitive persons.
Perhaps initially it's all about the glory but as they climb up the ranks the money becomes more important (don't really know the answer to this but would love to know what a pro thinks about this topic).

dave_1

Tyler is right...there will be a time and place when he says or does something. Patience means waiting..Bruyneel's reply..patiencesamigo


Today, Lance Armstrong updated his tweet profile "Met patience in 1996 but only now am I getting to know and appreciate her"

tarzan13

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kimmage-unconvinced-by-sky-and-wiggins
Paul Kimmage has spoken of his doubts regarding Bradley Wiggins and Team Sky's dominance at the Tour de France. “I don't know anyone who could say that this was a fully convincing Tour win,” he told German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine. The Irish journalist said that he saw many similarities with Lance Armstrong, who has recently been stripped of his seven Tour de France titles.

sherer

Armstrong described this as the most balanced article yet

http://www.grahamwatson.com/view/viewmain.html

He must have missed the bit where GW said " I’m not likely to utter any bad words about a cyclist who helped so much to escalate my earnings way back then, whose image I was allowed to use to make posters, prints, calendars and books. Don’t go looking for criticism because it just won’t be there "

deejay

sherer wrote:

http://www.grahamwatson.com/view/viewmain.html

He must have missed the bit where GW (graham watson) said " I’m not likely to utter any bad words about a cyclist who helped so much to escalate my earnings way back then, whose image I was allowed to use to make posters, prints, calendars and books. Don’t go looking for criticism because it just won’t be there "

Kimmage could say that but he knows there is more mileage in that story and in the meantime a few more bits of silver to be collected with the innuendo's of a Journalist.

Eddie72

I noticed on his Strava account that Lance still lists himself as "2 x winner of the Dauphine Libere". Any idea why he's chosen to leave these as results he's still claiming?

sherer

Eddie72 wrote:

I noticed on his Strava account that Lance still lists himself as "2 x winner of the Dauphine Libere". Any idea why he's chosen to leave these as results he's still claiming?

Not sure if maybe he can still claim those but i'm sure one was in 2001 or something, maybe someone else knows. Didn't realise he had Strava, what's the link to follow him

Richmond Racer

sherer wrote:

Eddie72 wrote:

I noticed on his Strava account that Lance still lists himself as "2 x winner of the Dauphine Libere". Any idea why he's chosen to leave these as results he's still claiming?

Not sure if maybe he can still claim those but i'm sure one was in 2001 or something, maybe someone else knows. Didn't realise he had Strava, what's the link to follow him

Has USADA allowed him to still claim Strava segments?? Outrageous..!

Eddie72

sherer wrote:

Eddie72 wrote:

I noticed on his Strava account that Lance still lists himself as "2 x winner of the Dauphine Libere". Any idea why he's chosen to leave these as results he's still claiming?

Not sure if maybe he can still claim those but i'm sure one was in 2001 or something, maybe someone else knows. Didn't realise he had Strava, what's the link to follow him

Link is http://app.strava.com/athletes/125154. I think it must be him as he references it from his official twitter. Seems to be doing a lot of running around Hawaii at the moment, tough gig.

Mikey23

Wasn't that impressed till I realised that it was a run...

dave_1

so. It looks like Lance will confess soon. This weekend? CNN ran it as have other media. I can adjust the thread title to reflect what deal Tygart and Lance agree.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/sp ... doping.xml

Yellow Peril

Dave_1 wrote:

so. It looks like Lance will confess soon. This weekend? CNN ran it as have other media. I can adjust the thread title to reflect what deal Tygart and Lance agree.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/sp ... doping.xml

That's an interesting development. Perhaps he wants to become the next Holy Dave (Holy Lance?) or thinks he can rebuild a sporting career and make a buck or two in triathlon.

dave_1

Yellow Peril wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

so. It looks like Lance will confess soon. This weekend? CNN ran it as have other media. I can adjust the thread title to reflect what deal Tygart and Lance agree.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/sp ... doping.xml

That's an interesting development. Perhaps he wants to become the next Holy Dave (Holy Lance?) or thinks he can rebuild a sporting career and make a buck or two in triathlon.

I was reading Race Radio and JV on twitter...hints at only a partial confession but doubt it myself. I think a full confession is his best chance of staying out of jail. I see him bankrupt in a year but bidding to win iron mans.

iainf72

Dave_1 wrote:

I was reading Race Radio and JV on twitter...hints at only a partial confession but doubt it myself. I think a full confession is his best chance of staying out of jail. I see him bankrupt in a year but bidding to win iron mans.

A full confession would be problematic legally for him.

I expect it'll be some lawyer written thing that only talks about himself.

ademort

According to the website of the New York Times Lance Armstrong is considering making a full confession as to his use of doping. According to sources close to him, he feels that by admitting to the use of doping he will then be able to get on with his career.Can,t wait to be honest.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/sport ... ml?hp&_r=0 Ademort

mfin

Also, I would have thought any confession would be light on apologies, and also apologies in clear language directed at each named individual he's slandered.

I would have thought a confession would pull around a chunk of public opinion his way, but, those that have heard of LA and also know of 'the people he's trodden on on the way' are in a minority (albeit quite big) that would have to hear the kind of direct apologies I mentioned aaaand full detailed confessions. That minority also includes a lot of press who are up on the story by now and will make the story go on, US press will think twice I think of kicking him after any kind of confession, because of the cancer charity connections.

Can't see LA doing the right thing in the right way for so many reasons, financial, legal, and otherwise.

iainf72

http://www.nydailynews.com/cyclist-lanc ... 3634#bmb=1

It would be hilarious if Floyd ended up wealthier than Lance.

dave_1

iainf72 wrote:

http://www.nydailynews.com/cyclist-lance-armstrong-public-confession-drug-article-1.1233634#bmb=1

It would be hilarious if Floyd ended up wealthier than Lance.

pay back floyd fairness fund folk too.
:-)

rebs

Does anyone really care if he does or doesn't now?

thomthom

Yes.

TheBigBean

Lance is worth around $125m. Settling with the Times ($1m), SCA ($12m) and Floyd / US ($15m??) won't be much of a dent in his finances. Plus he can then be paid appearance fees and spend years talking about how sad it is that he "had to do it to compete with the others" and "how he wanted to compete fairly, but it wasn't possible" sob sob etc.

The statute of limitations for perjury is still three years. Why do journalists keep writing about it?

sherer

Can't see him doing a full confession but I expect it will be something like everyone else in Europe did and it and we had to do the same to compete, saying he still would have won if they were all clean.

Lets wait and see

EKIMIKE

TheBigBean wrote:

Lance is worth around $125m. Settling with the Times ($1m), SCA ($12m) and Floyd / US ($15m??) won't be much of a dent in his finances.

Being 'worth' something doesn't translate into 'cash in the bank'. For example, I would guess some of that £125m included sponsorship deals which no longer exist and thus cannot be attributed any value.

I doubt he will go bankrupt though. Even if he does he'll soon be raking in money in some form. Public speaking is a likely avenue.

ddraver

Merge Chasey! Merge!

Gazzetta67

Graham Watson is really Moray Gub & Dennis all rolled into one

fidgetyphil

The statute of limitations for perjury is still three years

The statute of limitations for a perjury prosecution covers three years after the crime is committed. The law also allows the three years to start again after the perjury has been discovered.