Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    One journo's thoughts on what might be behind the story

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... ess-doping

    So it doesn't appear that he will be joining Change Cycling Now.


    Now that WOULD be a shame because they're all for reconciliation and drawing a line in the sand now...right?

    What are you talking about? Lance would be a great interim president of the UCI (some would say that it is a job he has already had).
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Bakunin wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    One journo's thoughts on what might be behind the story

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... ess-doping

    So it doesn't appear that he will be joining Change Cycling Now.


    Now that WOULD be a shame because they're all for reconciliation and drawing a line in the sand now...right?

    What are you talking about? Lance would be a great interim president of the UCI (some would say that it is a job he has already had).


    :)
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    and Howman says 'Nah, we havent heard a whisper from him'

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-spor ... g-approach


    hmmmmm
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Sounds like a bull story. The comment at the bottom of the Guardian article says NYT are saying it's just one anonymous source, and broadly speaking, American papers are a lot more reticent to use anonymous sources than British.
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  • rob churchill
    rob churchill Posts: 272
    dennisn wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.

    Dostoevsky begs to differ.

    It's been a while since I've read that. I know he confessed and in the end even expresses remorse, but wasn't it for his benefit(a clear conscience)? I could be wrong. Like I said, it's been awhile

    He confesses only because he is entirely remorseful. By any conventional measure it is against his interests to do so (he is inevitably sent to a prison camp). To suggest that he does it for his own benefit stretches the term beyond meaningfulness and rather misses the point of the book: his crime was after all inspired by a philosophy of self-interest.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Sounds like a bull story. The comment at the bottom of the Guardian article says NYT are saying it's just one anonymous source, and broadly speaking, American papers are a lot more reticent to use anonymous sources than British.

    I think the source is Daniel Coyle on twitter saying he thinks it's very likely. That seems to be where this originates.

    I don't think we'll see it in 2013.
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    rob churchill wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.

    Dostoevsky begs to differ.

    It's been a while since I've read that. I know he confessed and in the end even expresses remorse, but wasn't it for his benefit(a clear conscience)? I could be wrong. Like I said, it's been awhile

    He confesses only because he is entirely remorseful. By any conventional measure it is against his interests to do so (he is inevitably sent to a prison camp). To suggest that he does it for his own benefit stretches the term beyond meaningfulness and rather misses the point of the book: his crime was after all inspired by a philosophy of self-interest.

    I thought he was in the prison camp a year or two before he expressed any remorse?????
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    so a confession would put JB out of work, same for the others that are contesting the charges....

    Can only see this happening if it's going to keep him out of jail...
  • rob churchill
    rob churchill Posts: 272
    dennisn wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.

    Dostoevsky begs to differ.

    It's been a while since I've read that. I know he confessed and in the end even expresses remorse, but wasn't it for his benefit(a clear conscience)? I could be wrong. Like I said, it's been awhile

    He confesses only because he is entirely remorseful. By any conventional measure it is against his interests to do so (he is inevitably sent to a prison camp). To suggest that he does it for his own benefit stretches the term beyond meaningfulness and rather misses the point of the book: his crime was after all inspired by a philosophy of self-interest.

    I thought he was in the prison camp a year or two before he expressed any remorse?????

    Nah, just takes him that long under Sonya's influence to properly make sense of events. He's eaten by remorse more or less immediately after he kills the old shrew and her sister. This probably belongs in the Cake Stop.
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    rob churchill wrote:

    Nah, just takes him that long under Sonya's influence to properly make sense of events. He's eaten by remorse more or less immediately after he kills the old shrew and her sister. This probably belongs in the Cake Stop.

    I see your point.
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    dennisn wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:

    Nah, just takes him that long under Sonya's influence to properly make sense of events. He's eaten by remorse more or less immediately after he kills the old shrew and her sister. This probably belongs in the Cake Stop.

    I see your point.
    My memory of the book was that the crime was not really about self interest, more an experiment to explore the drive for greatness in the individual. There was a similar real life crime in the early 1900s in Oxford where two students tried to enact Nietzsche's philosophy in a similar fashion.

    On Lance, it isn't that surprising if he does make a partial apology since he must be extremely isolated now and is excluded from all the activities he is accustomed to, sport, charity etc. I am guessing he has used a friend to float the idea to the media so he can then gauge the response before making his decision. Any confession will clearly take as its premise that all his opponents doped leaving him little choice if he wanted to compete.
  • Nick Fitt
    Nick Fitt Posts: 381
    I suppose he will join Garmin? Retrospective 2 year ban etc
  • Monty Dog
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    Nick Fitt wrote:
    I suppose he will join Garmin? Retrospective 2 year ban etc

    We need a joker emoticon for comments like this!
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Monty Dog wrote:
    Nick Fitt wrote:
    I suppose he will join Garmin? Retrospective 2 year ban etc

    We need a joker emoticon for comments like this!


    Maybe..maybe not... :wink:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    nathancom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:

    Nah, just takes him that long under Sonya's influence to properly make sense of events. He's eaten by remorse more or less immediately after he kills the old shrew and her sister. This probably belongs in the Cake Stop.

    I see your point.
    My memory of the book was that the crime was not really about self interest, more an experiment to explore the drive for greatness in the individual. There was a similar real life crime in the early 1900s in Oxford where two students tried to enact Nietzsche's philosophy in a similar fashion.

    On Lance,...... Any confession will clearly take as its premise that all his opponents doped leaving him little choice if he wanted to compete.

    I think I'm due for a re-read of the book. Don't know about you but I found it somewhat hard to follow what with all the Russian names.

    I don't think that the premise of "everyone doing it" is very far from wrong, so him referring to it does, at the very least, have a ring of truth to it. And isn't truth what everyone is screaming for? Or is everyone screaming for the truth that they WANT to hear and not necessarily the real thing? :?
  • Simonhi
    Simonhi Posts: 229
    Back on topic, I think this is one of the fairest assessments that I have read over the recent LA (if it ever happens).

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40863250/%20%20

    It does resonate with some of the comments made recently here, although it says he should not apologise for doping, because he is not sorry for having done it. He should only apologise to the people he has bullied and ridden over.

    He is still a c.unt.
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  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    Simonhi wrote:
    Back on topic, I think this is one of the fairest assessments that I have read over the recent LA (if it ever happens).

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40863250/%20%20

    It does resonate with some of the comments made recently here, although it says he should not apologise for doping, because he is not sorry for having done it. He should only apologise to the people he has bullied and ridden over.

    He is still a c.unt.

    correct url is http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40863250/
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Lance on Strava:

    "Just updated my bio based on the facts".
    Then the bio:

    "According to my rivals, peers and teammates I won the Tour de France 7 times".

    Not sure where this stands with the "Lance may confess" stories, looks like a bout of humility is unlikely!
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  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    BigMat wrote:
    "According to my rivals, peers and teammates I won the Tour de France 7 times".

    ;-) Guess that depends on whose opinion you ask...

    To me these are simple mind games ...
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    The man is deluded.
  • speshsteve
    speshsteve Posts: 352
    ironically I can see this working for him

    1. cancer survivor
    2. Cheater
    3. Gets found out
    4. Admits doped
    5. US accepts this was the norm and he just happened to be the best at it
    6. Re-instated as a "winner/survivor" no matter what the environment (he won against all those nasty Europeans who were on the sauce for years, he just played and beat them at their own game)
    7. Makes loads more money and wins the odd triathlon
    8. Becomes a role model for anyone over 45 with sporting aspirations

    makes me feel a bit sick really
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    it's interesting now to read some of the comments on FB, Twitter and the news stories about him now. When this first broke half the comments were still believing he was innocent of all this, now those comments seem to be few and far between.

    Interesting comment in Every Second Counts from LA to FLoyd saying "The Tour is won through hard work, there are no shortcuts"
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    sherer wrote:
    Interesting comment in Every Second Counts from LA to FLoyd saying "The Tour is won through hard work, there are no shortcuts"

    I know that you want everything that he says to be a lie but in this case I don't believe he's wrong. After all IF everyone was / is "doing it" then possibly the harder working man, who was in better shape, was the winner. Sure, there are drugs but no one, and I mean no one, even rides in the pro ranks without a ton of work. A person can load themselves up with every drug imaginable but it won't mean a thing unless they do the work. You attribute way too much to drugs.
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Dennis, I'm not prepared to go through all 179 pages to check but I'm pretty certain no one has claimed LA didn't work hard.
  • Stedman
    Stedman Posts: 377
    I am somehow getting the uneasy feeling that if this apology happens; it will be a negotiated one rather than an open and honest one which I feel that we all in cycling (and others outside our sport) deserve.

    Sorry but if this happens, this I feel that this would be more damaging than the current complete denial we currently have!
  • Simonhi
    Simonhi Posts: 229
    tarzan13 wrote:

    correct url is http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40863250/

    Thanks.
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    Dennis, I'm not prepared to go through all 179 pages to check but I'm pretty certain no one has claimed LA didn't work hard.

    Just seemed that way in the post I quoted. In any case it's always seemed to me that most people on this forum believe it was MOSTLY drugs that did it. With a LITTLE work thrown in for good measure. :?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    The man is an epic piece of work

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    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    Just imagine how much dope he's taking to go after Strava segments... presumably no-one's testing him anymore!
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    iainf72 wrote:
    The man is an epic piece of work

    BABCPt2CEAA9-wW.jpg:large


    Its like the pic of him on his lonesome except for the framed jerseys. It's an indication of how sad and pathetic he's become and how low he's fallen, in that he takes to doing this kind of really petty and pathetic defiant stuff. Just like a 5 year old blowing a raspberry. Nothing more.

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