Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Dunno, I lost the will to live several flags ago.TailWindHome wrote:briantrumpet wrote:
Even better if they can't stay on topic either.TailWindHome wrote:Vino'sGhost wrote:are unable to engage in sensible conversation and discussion.
They'll be fine on this thread then.
Which topic?0 -
briantrumpet wrote:
Dunno, I lost the will to live several flags ago.TailWindHome wrote:briantrumpet wrote:
Even better if they can't stay on topic either.TailWindHome wrote:Vino'sGhost wrote:are unable to engage in sensible conversation and discussion.
They'll be fine on this thread then.
Which topic?
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This is the guy that keeps introducing "Flags" to the thread because he cannot substantiate his outlandish comments or accept that armstrong was a FRAUDDave_1 wrote:1 way to stay on topic is to remove your ridiculous comments about the England flag that appear in every post. It's not worth discussing this with you any further
Please tell him I don't want to discuss Flags but if he ever Invents more Rubbish regarding armstrong then I will reply.
Question :- Dave_1 joined 6 years ago and I joined 3 months later, so why did it take him so long to talk about "Flags"
________________________________________________________________________________________________________deejay wrote:Now this post should be about (and I quote Dave_1) a Scumbag from Texas and him being at the start of the 1996 season the World number 1 on "Points" he says.
How ridiculous can you get. ??
I keep trying to get this thread back on "Topic"
Followed ByDave_1 wrote:speaks volumes. I will retract the Armstrong UCI number 1 if I can't find it soon.
It seems the boy found it here.Dave_1 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:USA CYCLING http://www.usacycling.org/lance-armstrong.htm
The Lance Armstrong Fanboys site with all his Distorted Facts
Etc, etc, until it says,
In 1996, Lance was ranked the world's number one cyclist,deejay wrote:How ridiculous can you get. ?? to use a "Fanboy" magazine as a source.
You need a source in the Real World which will know that Armstrong was not good enough to be Ranked a World Number 1. (A former lucky World Champion, yes)Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:You need a source in the Real World which will know that Armstrong was not good enough to be Ranked a World Number
Hmmmmm, you seem to be looking to lead people to believe that YOU are the ultimate authoritative source "in the Real World". What magazines / record books were you're #1 listings posted?0 -
RIP 'Lance Armstrong stripped of 7 TDF wins, gets lifetime ban'-thread.0
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Sort of off topic but here goes.
If everyone hates drugs so much why are forum threads about drugs the most popular?0 -
dennisn wrote:ThomThom wrote:RIP 'Lance Armstrong stripped of 7 TDF wins, gets lifetime ban'-thread.
I don't know. It's had a great run but any new scandal or bad news and it could make a comeback. Hmmmm imagine that, Lance makes yet another comeback. It could happen.
I wrote because of the level of the thread on the previous pages. Not because there was nothing to talk about regarding Lance. There is and will be much more.0 -
ThomThom wrote:dennisn wrote:ThomThom wrote:RIP 'Lance Armstrong stripped of 7 TDF wins, gets lifetime ban'-thread.
I don't know. It's had a great run but any new scandal or bad news and it could make a comeback. Hmmmm imagine that, Lance makes yet another comeback. It could happen.
I wrote because of the level of the thread on the previous pages. Not because there was nothing to talk about regarding Lance. There is and will be much more.
In a way you're right. "...stripped of 7 TDF wins, gets lifetime ban...". That did take place, so maybe it is RIP, as you say.
Title said it all some time back.0 -
What the hell happened in here!? The whole thread has de-evolved into primordial soup of some kind. Only Lance himself can save this thread by launching a kamikaze lawsuit or doing something else worthy of comment.
Oh actually i have something relatively on topic to say... Went into Waterstones today. The Lance Armstrong shelf looked like a weird set of outdated science textbooks you find in an old school cupboard. You know it's all basically rubbish that has since been proved wrong so the only real attraction is curiosity about a bygone age.0 -
Lance Armstrong is obsolete. There. That's got it.0
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dennisn wrote:Sort of off topic but here goes.
If everyone hates drugs so much why are forum threads about drugs the most popular?
Perhaps because it's the only place we can read your witty repartee?0 -
Do we have any date yet for the 3 USADA arbitrations relating to The Reasoned Decision? Will Bruyneel put LA under oath or can he take the 5th? I see we can email usada in their media section. Tempted to do so and see what comes back0
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Go on Dave, that'll liven it up here. Tell them you represent the interested forumites of BR.0
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As my frustration with Lance subsides, I am left with an empty feeling. :?
Why?
Well, Contador was stripped of his 2010 tour winners title and Andy Schleck is now the official Winner.
As hard as it is to select a respective replacement winner for 1999 through to 2005, the decisions were circumvented and now we have no winners at all. In effect the entire peloton has been disqualified for seven consecutive years.
So lance won seven defunct tour titles.
He is still the winner!!! :shock:0 -
Yes , if we say someone cheated we should show who was cheated in the race. By scrubbing everyone they say everypne is not worthy of recognition. To me they can't invite any 1999-2005 tdf riders as they scrubbed them allSquirrelpie wrote:As my frustration with Lance subsides, I am left with an empty feeling. :?
Why?
Well, Contador was stripped of his 2010 tour winners title and Andy Schleck is now the official Winner.
As hard as it is to select a respective replacement winner for 1999 through to 2005, the decisions were circumvented and now we have no winners at all. In effect the entire peloton has been disqualified for seven consecutive years.
So lance won seven defunct tour titles. ,
He is still the winner!!! :shock:0 -
Squirrelpie wrote:As my frustration with Lance subsides, I am left with an empty feeling. :?
Why?
Well, Contador was stripped of his 2010 tour winners title and Andy Schleck is now the official Winner.
As hard as it is to select a respective replacement winner for 1999 through to 2005, the decisions were circumvented and now we have no winners at all. In effect the entire peloton has been disqualified for seven consecutive years.
So lance won seven defunct tour titles.
He is still the winner!!! :shock:
Just keep repeating "It's only a bike race. It's only a bike race". It wasn't WW2, the end of days, the 2ND. coming, the zombie Apocalypse, or a meteor hitting earth. It's only bike racing. Nothing more. Plus, if all this hadn't happened where would the fun be?0 -
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Dave_1 wrote:
Yes , if we say someone cheated we should show who was cheated in the race. By scrubbing everyone they say everypne is not worthy of recognition. To me they can't invite any 1999-2005 tdf riders as they scrubbed them allSquirrelpie wrote:As my frustration with Lance subsides, I am left with an empty feeling. :?
Why?
Well, Contador was stripped of his 2010 tour winners title and Andy Schleck is now the official Winner.
As hard as it is to select a respective replacement winner for 1999 through to 2005, the decisions were circumvented and now we have no winners at all. In effect the entire peloton has been disqualified for seven consecutive years.
So lance won seven defunct tour titles. ,
He is still the winner!!! :shock:
Am I missing something here? For years now more than a few people, on this forum, have been screaming for LA to be gone, stripped of titles, shown as a cheat, etc. Now here it is, some years gone by, and he IS "gone, stripped of....". Yet many of you seem to not be satisfied with the result that you asked for. You should be out waving signs proclaiming "WE saved OUR sport" and hoisting pints well into the night in a round of endless parties and celebrations.
However, this doesn't seem to be the case. These should be joyous day's in your lives but wait, somethings gone wrong. Even after what you wished for has come true it's apparent that you didn't wish for enough. He's still out there and you will be reminded of it fairly constantly. Maybe you never should have taken it personally in the first place. After all there was nothing personal about what LA did, it was about money. Nothing against you or I or anyone else, just for the money.
Next time be sure to "Think about what you ask for. You may just get it."0 -
dennisn wrote:Am I missing something here? For years now more than a few people, on this forum, have been screaming for LA to be gone, stripped of titles, shown as a cheat, etc. Now here it is, some years gone by, and he IS "gone, stripped of....". Yet many of you seem to not be satisfied with the result that you asked for. You should be out waving signs proclaiming "WE saved OUR sport" and hoisting pints well into the night in a round of endless parties and celebrations.
However, this doesn't seem to be the case. These should be joyous day's in your lives but wait, somethings gone wrong. Even after what you wished for has come true it's apparent that you didn't wish for enough. He's still out there and you will be reminded of it fairly constantly. Maybe you never should have taken it personally in the first place. After all there was nothing personal about what LA did, it was about money. Nothing against you or I or anyone else, just for the money.
Next time be sure to "Think about what you ask for. You may just get it."
Well I never thought that the stripping of Armstrong's titles was the result of the power of my mind. I must be careful in future or I might not win the National lottery.
Either way Uri Geller would be proud of me.
Truth is I think all that has happened is that the other riders results remain the same unless they too were stripped of their placings, like his team mates.
So for the 1999 to 2005 tours there was no winner but people did come runner up. :?
Armstrong won 6 of the 7 tours by over 6 minutes, piss take or what? Surely the rest of the pack were in no way as guilty as he????0 -
Unfortunately my Video's and DVD's do show that. :evil:Squirrelpie wrote:So lance won seven defunct tour titles.
He is still the winner!!! :shock:Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Squirrelpie wrote:Armstrong won 6 of the 7 tours by over 6 minutes, wee-wee take or what? Surely the rest of the pack were in no way as guilty as he????
Just because someone wasn't as good at cheating doesn't mean they are any less guilty.0 -
Ah, but is it, all over yet as we did wish for more.dennisn wrote:
Even after what you wished for has come true it's apparent that you didn't wish for enough. He's still out there and you will be reminded of it fairly constantly. Maybe you never should have taken it personally in the first place. After all there was nothing personal about what LA did, it was about money. Nothing against you or I or anyone else, just for the money.
Along the lines of Perjury and perhaps Jail Time, would do it.
Then his celebrity status would be about the same as "O.J. Simpson. :twisted: :twisted:Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:
Ah, but is it, all over yet as we did wish for more.dennisn wrote:
Even after what you wished for has come true it's apparent that you didn't wish for enough. He's still out there and you will be reminded of it fairly constantly. Maybe you never should have taken it personally in the first place. After all there was nothing personal about what LA did, it was about money. Nothing against you or I or anyone else, just for the money.
Along the lines of Perjury and perhaps Jail Time, would do it.
Then his celebrity status would be about the same as "O.J. Simpson. :twisted: :twisted:
Like I said, be careful what you wish for.
I sort of have the feeling that people have worked themselves up so much over this that even the "head on a pike"
wouldn't appease some of them.0 -
I watched the whole of the Lance era and enjoyed it, classics and grand tours. In the classics he didnt show but in the tour he was too good to be true. Im not surprised by any of it. Its history and part of the evolution of the sport for better or worse. Now its going to change, for the better I hope. The stripped titles, no. C'mon they were all at it were'nt they?Caveat - I buy and ride cheap, however, I reserve the right to advise on expensive kit that I have never actually used and possibly never will0
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and back around in circles we go . . . :roll:Kev
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Italian judge says doping is still a problem in cycling
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-judge-says-doping-is-still-a-problem-in-cycling?ns_campaign=news&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0
"I've seen things that people can't even imagine," Roberti told Tuttobici, talking about doping in every level of cycling.
"I've learnt never to trust some people. Riders are often considered the weakest link in all of this but the riders are responsible for what they do. They're the start and the end of it all. The rest is just a lot of talking."
"Not all of cycling is bad but things aren't looking good and believe me, nothing has changed. It's not true that the situation has improved in the last few years. We're dealing with scruple-less people who inject themselves with everything, without knowing what they're doing: products stolen from hospitals, from Eastern countries without any guarantees on the quality."
"Riders have recently told me that there are substances in use that can't be found by anti-doping tests. One is Erythropoietin Z by Retacrit, it's known as EPO Z. There's a Chinese EPO that has been released, I don't know its name but it can’t be found (in tests) and was definitely the queen of the Olympics. There's also AICAR, that is brought in from the East as a powder and is apparently a kind of genetic doping. In simple terms, it helps reset muscle fibres after huge efforts. It can't be found in anti-doping tests either."0 -
tarzan13 wrote:Italian judge says doping is still a problem in cycling
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-judge-says-doping-is-still-a-problem-in-cycling?ns_campaign=news&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0
"I've seen things that people can't even imagine," Roberti told Tuttobici, talking about doping in every level of cycling.
"I've learnt never to trust some people. Riders are often considered the weakest link in all of this but the riders are responsible for what they do. They're the start and the end of it all. The rest is just a lot of talking."
"Not all of cycling is bad but things aren't looking good and believe me, nothing has changed. It's not true that the situation has improved in the last few years. We're dealing with scruple-less people who inject themselves with everything, without knowing what they're doing: products stolen from hospitals, from Eastern countries without any guarantees on the quality."
"Riders have recently told me that there are substances in use that can't be found by anti-doping tests. One is Erythropoietin Z by Retacrit, it's known as EPO Z. There's a Chinese EPO that has been released, I don't know its name but it can’t be found (in tests) and was definitely the queen of the Olympics. There's also AICAR, that is brought in from the East as a powder and is apparently a kind of genetic doping. In simple terms, it helps reset muscle fibres after huge efforts. It can't be found in anti-doping tests either."
According to Wikipedia there is a urine test for AICAR, made available to anti doping agencies by the researchers that developed the drug. I don't know if it's been validated and approved though. The drug itself has been on the banned list since 2009.
Aside from that, drug testing is moving toward monitoring for the effects of drugs, rather than the drugs themselves, which makes the substance itself irrelevant. That's the holy grail, at any rate.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
According to Wikipedia there is a urine test for AICAR, made available to anti doping agencies by the researchers that developed the drug. I don't know if it's been validated and approved though. The drug itself has been on the banned list since 2009.
Aside from that, drug testing is moving toward monitoring for the effects of drugs, rather than the drugs themselves, which makes the substance itself irrelevant. That's the holy grail, at any rate.
interesting read... http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11395 ... lance.aspx
PS: I am not trying to start a discussion about new drugs. In my opinion there is still doping in cycling (and in most other sports). Regrettably we have to accept that it's also used in a lot of amateur sports. The only way to clean up sports might be to hand out life-time bans and to remove any time limits on retrospective testing. Ideally there would also be a financial punishment.0
