Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Just back from a ride. Has he confessed yet? No? Right, well he's got another few mins and then I'm off out again
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    one thing I was wondering was with all the riders testifying to the USADA about drug use at Postal etc, then surely the Grand Jury must have had the same information and possibly more so why was that shut down when it looks likely Government money was used
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    Either it was political, or because they found out no government money was used....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    It will be one big spin of words made by clever people who know how to deal with the media. Words that will make the most out the very few things left that the americans still like about Lance. You can be sure that everyting is this confession - if there is one... - will be for Lance's own benefit.

    There won't be given a single f'uck about the cheated cycling fans, Betsy, Greg, Paul, Walsh and co.
  • heavymental
    heavymental Posts: 2,091
    ThomThom wrote:
    It will be one big spin of words made by clever people who know how to deal with the media. Words that will make the most out the very few things left that the americans still like about Lance. You can be sure that everyting is this confession - if there is one... - will be for Lance's own benefit.

    There won't be given a single f'uck about the cheated cycling fans, Betsy, Greg, Paul, Walsh and co.

    I agree. It won't give anyone a feeling of "Ahhhh. At last. He seems genuinely sorry for being such a penis, I can't believe he cried like that when he apologised to Betsy" when/if he says what he has to say.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    Is RAAM covered by the USADA/UCI ban?
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    EKIMIKE wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Lance is worth around $125m. Settling with the Times ($1m), SCA ($12m) and Floyd / US ($15m??) won't be much of a dent in his finances.

    Being 'worth' something doesn't translate into 'cash in the bank'. For example, I would guess some of that £125m included sponsorship deals which no longer exist and thus cannot be attributed any value.

    I doubt he will go bankrupt though. Even if he does he'll soon be raking in money in some form. Public speaking is a likely avenue.
    agree with all of this, but one question, why would anyone want him to public speak, within the remit of the allegations and their prospective repercussions. if it were me i'd steer well clear.....
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    the articles in the NYTimes mentions the backers of Livestrong. I assume that has suffered badly from all this and maybe a public "we only did what those nasty Europeans were already doing" might help get them back to getting more donations.

    He also still wants to run marathons and do triathlons which he can't do while he is banned
  • singlespeedexplosif
    singlespeedexplosif Posts: 1,564
    Whatever happened to Moray Gub anyway? Did he die of a broken heart?
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    sherer wrote:
    the articles in the NYTimes mentions the backers of Livestrong. I assume that has suffered badly from all this and maybe a public "we only did what those nasty Europeans were already doing" might help get them back to getting more donations.

    He also still wants to run marathons and do triathlons which he can't do while he is banned


    There's definitely going to be a slant of 'those dirty Europeans..'
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.[/quote]


    And maybe I'll be given a pro contract for 2014

    You are having a laugh of course?
  • singlespeedexplosif
    singlespeedexplosif Posts: 1,564
    'Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.'

    W, and quite literally, TF???
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.
  • rob churchill
    rob churchill Posts: 272
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Is RAAM covered by the USADA/UCI ban?

    I believe so. IACGMOOH should be ok, though.
    I have a policy of only posting comment on the internet under my real name. This is to moderate my natural instinct to flame your fatuous, ill-informed, irrational, credulous, bigoted, semi-literate opinions to carbon, you knuckle-dragging f***wits.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    rob churchill wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Is RAAM covered by the USADA/UCI ban?

    I believe so. IACGMOOH should be ok, though.


    Christ, can you imagine what he'd be like in there. Within half an hour he'd have owned the entire jungle, the other 'celebs', and Ant 'n Dec
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.
    Oh, it's you :roll:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.
    Oh, it's you :roll:

    I confess. It's me.
    In any case why would he confess for someone else's benefit?
  • rob churchill
    rob churchill Posts: 272
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.

    Dostoevsky begs to differ.
    I have a policy of only posting comment on the internet under my real name. This is to moderate my natural instinct to flame your fatuous, ill-informed, irrational, credulous, bigoted, semi-literate opinions to carbon, you knuckle-dragging f***wits.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Why would he confess for anyone else's benefit?

    Possibly...his childrens'?

    I dont think this would be a main driver for this particular character, but some others might confess for the sake of their famillies if they believe its the only way to stop continuing damage being done to a family's lives, and start some kind of repair process. Can you imagine what's being said to his kids by other kids at their schools?
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.
    Oh, it's you :roll:

    I confess. It's me.
    In any case why would he confess for someone else's benefit?
    You know how a murderer might confess to where he buried a body to give the victims family closure or a thief might confess and return an item that has sentimental value? People confess to things for all sorts of reasons and some of those reasons have no benefit to them. As I see it Armstrong runs his life only considering what benefits him.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    A confession will benefit a lot of lawyers more than it does Lance, Cycling or anyone else.
    I get the SCA money, and the prize money, yep he cheated, he didn't deserve it. But if any sponsors are saying they didn't get their monies worth out of him that's a joke. USPS, DIscovery, Nike and Trek got value and then some, whatever happens subsequently.
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    dougzz wrote:
    A confession will benefit a lot of lawyers more than it does Lance, Cycling or anyone else.
    I get the SCA money, and the prize money, yep he cheated, he didn't deserve it. But if any sponsors are saying they didn't get their monies worth out of him that's a joke. USPS, DIscovery, Nike and Trek got value and then some, whatever happens subsequently.
    They undoubtedly got value for money at the time, however they could argue that as a result of his actions their brand has subsequently suffered by association.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    dougzz wrote:
    A confession will benefit a lot of lawyers more than it does Lance, Cycling or anyone else.
    I get the SCA money, and the prize money, yep he cheated, he didn't deserve it. But if any sponsors are saying they didn't get their monies worth out of him that's a joke. USPS, DIscovery, Nike and Trek got value and then some, whatever happens subsequently.


    Cant disagree with that. JV and co give off this whole 'he needs to confess to help heal cycling'. That's just b^&locks. They ponied up their confessions and basically just want everyone else to join their confessional club. They havent had to don the sackcloth and ashes of course.

    If Lance gave all the low-down on Hein, well... but he aint gonna, is he? Because as someone else said, Hein shares his knowledge on where all the bodies are buried
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Why would he confess for anyone else's benefit?

    Possibly...his childrens'?

    Good point about the children. However I'm not sure that the sins of the father shall be visited on the son?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    rob churchill wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    I'm surprised by the timing. I expected this way down the road, but not so quick.

    Why now?

    Is he in so much financial trouble that he has to do this? It has to be more than just doing tri/marathons.

    Maybe he will be the driving force in reforming the sport.
    I think you may have missed that everything he does is for his benefit. A confession will be no different.

    Everyone who confesses to anything does it for their own good. No mystery there.

    Dostoevsky begs to differ.

    It's been a while since I've read that. I know he confessed and in the end even expresses remorse, but wasn't it for his benefit(a clear conscience)? I could be wrong. Like I said, it's been awhile
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    One journo's thoughts on what might be behind the story

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... ess-doping
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    One journo's thoughts on what might be behind the story

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... ess-doping

    So it doesn't appear that he will be joining Change Cycling Now.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Bakunin wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    One journo's thoughts on what might be behind the story

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... ess-doping

    So it doesn't appear that he will be joining Change Cycling Now.


    Now that WOULD be a shame because they're all for reconciliation and drawing a line in the sand now...right?

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