Bring on the track events! *spoiler*
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nearly rightddraver wrote:So I stand by my earlier comment about extending the line up the track then...
Good to know I was sort of about right...
maybe they could put a buzzer as they pass it lol 0 -
oldwelshman wrote:Some people do not realise hpow hard track can be.
I have seen riders missing the count at the start and either pull the gate out, or just fall out.
I have seen sprinters in the time trial sprint on 2nd lap instead of third and some not sprint at all by mi judging counting 3 laps !! Yes it happens.
These guys do this full time? They practice this stuff day in day out? They are the best in the World?
Therefore they should get the simple stuff correct, regardless of how 'hard' it is to count correctly or follow stupid rules.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:oldwelshman wrote:Some people do not realise hpow hard track can be.
I have seen riders missing the count at the start and either pull the gate out, or just fall out.
I have seen sprinters in the time trial sprint on 2nd lap instead of third and some not sprint at all by mi judging counting 3 laps !! Yes it happens.
These guys do this full time? They practice this stuff day in day out? They are the best in the World?
Therefore they should get the simple stuff correct, regardless of how 'hard' it is to count correctly or follow stupid rules.
FF's got a point.
It's the olympics. It's not just a jaunt round your local chipper trackie event. Doesn't get bigger for a trackie.0 -
correct they shouldn't but they do, remember Bolt at last years world champs afetr DQ for false start? Many examples of pressure, shouldn't happen but does unfortunatelyRick Chasey wrote:frenchfighter wrote:oldwelshman wrote:Some people do not realise hpow hard track can be.
I have seen riders missing the count at the start and either pull the gate out, or just fall out.
I have seen sprinters in the time trial sprint on 2nd lap instead of third and some not sprint at all by mi judging counting 3 laps !! Yes it happens.
These guys do this full time? They practice this stuff day in day out? They are the best in the World?
Therefore they should get the simple stuff correct, regardless of how 'hard' it is to count correctly or follow stupid rules.
FF's got a point.
It's the olympics. It's not just a jaunt round your local chipper trackie event. Doesn't get bigger for a trackie.0 -
oldwelshman wrote:
correct they shouldn't but they do, remember Bolt at last years world champs afetr DQ for false start? Many examples of pressure, shouldn't happen but does unfortunatelyRick Chasey wrote:frenchfighter wrote:oldwelshman wrote:Some people do not realise hpow hard track can be.
I have seen riders missing the count at the start and either pull the gate out, or just fall out.
I have seen sprinters in the time trial sprint on 2nd lap instead of third and some not sprint at all by mi judging counting 3 laps !! Yes it happens.
These guys do this full time? They practice this stuff day in day out? They are the best in the World?
Therefore they should get the simple stuff correct, regardless of how 'hard' it is to count correctly or follow stupid rules.
FF's got a point.
It's the olympics. It's not just a jaunt round your local chipper trackie event. Doesn't get bigger for a trackie.
For sure it happens. Doesn't mean as armchair fans can't criticise.0 -
What they really should have done is passed each other correctly, not got DQed and then beaten China in the final to win goldRick Chasey wrote:For sure it happens. Doesn't mean as armchair fans can't criticise.
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Graeme_S wrote:
What they really should have done is passed each other correctly, not got DQed and then beaten China in the final to win goldRick Chasey wrote:For sure it happens. Doesn't mean as armchair fans can't criticise.
That's the spirit!
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(As I said yesterday, I've never watched track racing before)...
I've just watched a YouTube of a men's sprint final (Hoy and Forstemann) and I've never seen anyone go so slowly for so long. So could someone explain what is all that about, please?
I've also just watched a YouTube of a keirin. OK, a motor bike starts them off then it's hell for leather, right? What's that choosing numbers before they mount?
And I've found this explanation of the Omnium: "The omnium (The One With Everything) is new to the Olympic programme. Described as the equivalent of a decathlon, it has six events, run over two days: a flying 250m lap against the clock, a points race (a long endurance race in which points are awarded for periodic sprints and lapping the field), an elimination, in which the last rider over the line every two laps is eliminated until only one remains, an individual pursuit, a scratch race (like a points race, but without sprints. Or points) and a 1km time trial (500m for women)."
It sounds..............very confusing for spectators let alone the riders. :shock:0 -
Lichtblick wrote:(As I said yesterday, I've never watched track racing before)...
I've just watched a YouTube of a men's sprint final (Hoy and Forstemann) and I've never seen anyone go so slowly for so long. So could someone explain what is all that about, please?
I've also just watched a YouTube of a keirin. OK, a motor bike starts them off then it's hell for leather, right? What's that choosing numbers before they mount?
And I've found this explanation of the Omnium: "The omnium (The One With Everything) is new to the Olympic programme. Described as the equivalent of a decathlon, it has six events, run over two days: a flying 250m lap against the clock, a points race (a long endurance race in which points are awarded for periodic sprints and lapping the field), an elimination, in which the last rider over the line every two laps is eliminated until only one remains, an individual pursuit, a scratch race (like a points race, but without sprints. Or points) and a 1km time trial (500m for women)."
It sounds..............very confusing for spectators let alone the riders. :shock:
It's very advantageous to be 2nd - you save so much energy there.
So you do a lot of faffing about and being tactical.
It always turns into a sprint as they near the finish line.
And yes the ominum is confusing.0 -
Match sprint starts with a flying 200m to rank them. Then top vs bottom and so on. Then they have 3 laps (I think) to race. Sometimes they do time trial it from the start, but more often than not they're jostling for position for 2.5 laps before they wind it up. They're basically psyching each other out. Great stuff if you ask me.0
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Rick Chasey wrote:It's very advantageous to be 2nd - you save so much energy there.
So you do a lot of faffing about and being tactical.
It always turns into a sprint as they near the finish line.
And yes the ominum is confusing.
Thanks Rick.
This keirin, it's one person per country, right?
I hate to ask <knocks on wood> but do they ever crash? :shock:0 -
Lichtblick wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It's very advantageous to be 2nd - you save so much energy there.
So you do a lot of faffing about and being tactical.
It always turns into a sprint as they near the finish line.
And yes the ominum is confusing.
Thanks Rick.
This keirin, it's one person per country, right?
I hate to ask <knocks on wood> but do they ever crash? :shock:
Erm yes and yes I believe.
Not so sure about the one person per country.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:It's very advantageous to be 2nd - you save so much energy there.
There is of course a downside, if your trying to pass another rider on the banking, it's further to go.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It's very advantageous to be 2nd - you save so much energy there.
There is of course a downside, if your trying to pass another rider on the banking, it's further to go.
Indeed.
It's the ultimate dichotomy that cycling has.
While you want to cross the line first, it's significantly advantageous to cycle behind someone.0 -
Lichtblick wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It's very advantageous to be 2nd - you save so much energy there.
So you do a lot of faffing about and being tactical.
It always turns into a sprint as they near the finish line.
And yes the ominum is confusing.
Thanks Rick.
This keirin, it's one person per country, right?
I hate to ask <knocks on wood> but do they ever crash? :shock:
Yes, it's one per country and yes they have crashes.
This is the result of a kierin crash for Awang, a Malaysian rider!
The omnium isn't really that confusing. Basically the winner of each event gets 1 point, second 2 points and so on. The winner is the person who has least points after 6 events, the only confusing individual event can be the points race where you get points for placing in the sprints every 10 laps and extra points if you lap the main bunch so it can be hard to keep track. The elimination race (or 'Devil') is extremely exciting, especially the way that GB's Laura Trott rides it!0 -
Lichtblick wrote:What's that choosing numbers before they mount?
Has anyone answered this? I know they draw lots as to where they line up on the track to start, but they don't have to follow that order behind the derny (or mororbike)? Is that right? I've seen riders sometimes try and push their way into the line, but they usually restart the race when that's happened. Anyone got any insights?0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Lichtblick wrote:What's that choosing numbers before they mount?
Has anyone answered this? I know they draw lots as to where they line up on the track to start, but they don't have to follow that order behind the derny (or mororbike)? Is that right? I've seen riders sometimes try and push their way into the line, but they usually restart the race when that's happened. Anyone got any insights?
Correct.
Apart from the re-start bit, which I don't know.
I figured you draw lots, and then you can do whatever you like behind the derny, as long as you stay behind it.
Edit: Pross (below) knows better than me!0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Lichtblick wrote:What's that choosing numbers before they mount?
Has anyone answered this? I know they draw lots as to where they line up on the track to start, but they don't have to follow that order behind the derny (or mororbike)? Is that right? I've seen riders sometimes try and push their way into the line, but they usually restart the race when that's happened. Anyone got any insights?
Rider 1 has to ride at the front for at least a lap unless someone voluntarily passes them. If they don't they get DQd and the race is re-started with rider number 2 at the front. The bike builds up from 30kph at the start to 50kph after 1000m and pulls off with 600 - 700m remaining leaving a free for all. Some riders like to go flat out as soon as the bike pulls off (which used to be Hoy's preferred technique) whilst others try to hold back and sprint the final lap from behind.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Lichtblick wrote:What's that choosing numbers before they mount?
Has anyone answered this? I know they draw lots as to where they line up on the track to start, but they don't have to follow that order behind the derny (or mororbike)? Is that right? I've seen riders sometimes try and push their way into the line, but they usually restart the race when that's happened. Anyone got any insights?
Correct.
Apart from the re-start bit, which I don't know.
I figured you draw lots, and then you can do whatever you like behind the derny, as long as you stay behind it.
Yeah, I've seen riders try and push into the line, even sometimes using a bit of Mark Renshaw style head butting and they usually re-start the race. I think if it's run under JKA rather than UCI rules, they can be a bit more aggresive with their riding.0 -
Pross wrote:Rider 1 has to ride at the front for at least a lap unless someone voluntarily passes them. If they don't they get DQd and the race is re-started with rider number 2 at the front. The bike builds up from 30kph at the start to 50kph after 1000m and pulls off with 600 - 700m remaining leaving a free for all. Some riders like to go flat out as soon as the bike pulls off (which used to be Hoy's preferred technique) whilst others try to hold back and sprint the final lap from behind.
Is that rider 1 as draw in the lots or who ever is first behind the derny? And is the one lap at the front behind the derny or once what's come off the track?0 -
Pross wrote:Yes, it's one per country and yes they have crashes.
This is the result of a kierin crash for Awang, a Malaysian rider!
WAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!He's got a spoke right through his leg !!!!!!
The omnium isn't really that confusing. Basically the winner of each event gets 1 point, second 2 points and so on. The winner is the person who has least points after 6 events, the only confusing individual event can be the points race where you get points for placing in the sprints every 10 laps and extra points if you lap the main bunch so it can be hard to keep track. The elimination race (or 'Devil') is extremely exciting, especially the way that GB's Laura Trott rides it!
Is this the only event in creation where the person with the least points, wins?
Anyway, Pendleton's got to be on soon.........0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Pross wrote:Rider 1 has to ride at the front for at least a lap unless someone voluntarily passes them. If they don't they get DQd and the race is re-started with rider number 2 at the front. The bike builds up from 30kph at the start to 50kph after 1000m and pulls off with 600 - 700m remaining leaving a free for all. Some riders like to go flat out as soon as the bike pulls off (which used to be Hoy's preferred technique) whilst others try to hold back and sprint the final lap from behind.
Is that rider 1 as draw in the lots or who ever is first behind the derny? And is the one lap at the front behind the derny or once what's come off the track?
The rider drawn number 1 (unless someone else takes it on)UCI wrote:3.2.139 The start shall be given when the pacer approaches the pursuit line in the sprinters’ lane. Unless
another rider voluntarily takes that position, the rider who drew No.1 shall follow immediately
behind the pacer for at least the first lap, failing which the race shall be stopped and that rider disqualified.
In the restart, the rider who drew No. 2 shall follow immediately behind the pacer.0 -
Lichtblick wrote:Pross wrote:Yes, it's one per country and yes they have crashes.
This is the result of a kierin crash for Awang, a Malaysian rider!
WAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!He's got a spoke right through his leg !!!!!!
The omnium isn't really that confusing. Basically the winner of each event gets 1 point, second 2 points and so on. The winner is the person who has least points after 6 events, the only confusing individual event can be the points race where you get points for placing in the sprints every 10 laps and extra points if you lap the main bunch so it can be hard to keep track. The elimination race (or 'Devil') is extremely exciting, especially the way that GB's Laura Trott rides it!
Is this the only event in creation where the person with the least points, wins?
Anyway, Pendleton's got to be on soon.........
3 day eventing, sailing, canoeing all have lowest-points-win systems... probably lots more too.0 -
OK, so they can form up how they like behind the derny, but the rider who draws number 1 is in the best place to get right behind the it if they chose to, but then once they have that position, they have to do at least a lap behind it once they are there. Have I got that right?
Sorry if this is highjacking the tread a bit. 0 -
Lichtblick wrote:Pross wrote:Yes, it's one per country and yes they have crashes.
This is the result of a kierin crash for Awang, a Malaysian rider!
WAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!He's got a spoke right through his leg !!!!!!
The omnium isn't really that confusing. Basically the winner of each event gets 1 point, second 2 points and so on. The winner is the person who has least points after 6 events, the only confusing individual event can be the points race where you get points for placing in the sprints every 10 laps and extra points if you lap the main bunch so it can be hard to keep track. The elimination race (or 'Devil') is extremely exciting, especially the way that GB's Laura Trott rides it!
Is this the only event in creation where the person with the least points, wins?
Anyway, Pendleton's got to be on soon.........
It's a splinter from the wooden track. From memory he got himself across the line before being taken off for surgery to have it removed!
Video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5UK-qt9HY0 -
Pendleton's through, and the Australian* whom IIRC they can't stand each other?
*Mears0 -
Got a feeling the Chinese girl is going to take the gold in the Keirin.0
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Wiggins in the crowd, watching.0
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Lichtblick wrote:Wiggins in the crowd, watching.
Would be a bit weird if he was cycling in the crowd!0
