Bring on the track events! *spoiler*

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    ThomThom wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    Falling on purpose after a bad start.

    I assume that's tongue in cheek?

    Not at all. It's a common thing to do. It wasn't an attack at all. But there was no way he couldn't have stayed on the bike. Something went wrong and he hit the deck deliberately to get the restart.
    Apologies, he's just admitted he did that on live TV which had his team mates and me squirming I have to admit. Can he get DQd for that or kicked out like the badminton players :shock:
  • graeme_s-2
    graeme_s-2 Posts: 3,382
    edited August 2012
    Yeah, I felt he should probably have kept his trap shut on that front. Any precedent for the UCI DQing someone for a deliberate fall before?
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    What kind of community is this, where you'd rather debate some rules than give even a single nod to GB winning another Gold Medal, for cycling? :?: :?: :?:

    Just for a laugh, here is something from this morning's paper.

    TEAM SPRINT: Hindes, Kenny, Hoy
    Medal Chance: realistically, bronze
    Main rival: Germany


    Got that wrong then, didn't they? :D:D:D
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    We're discussing the men winning and perhaps a slightly too candid admission of 'gamesmanship'. That doesn't take away from the superb performance in winning gold and breaking the WR, it's just a discussion point.

    Men's team pursuit were awesome too, just hope they didn't go too deep.
  • Rockhopper
    Rockhopper Posts: 503
    Recognized accidents:

    • Fall
    • Puncture
    • Equipment failure: breakage of a vital part of the bike. These are RECOGNIZED accidents.

    Unrecognized accidents:

    • Tightening defect: foot out of pedal, misaligned wheel or handlebars, loose saddle etc. These are UNRECOGNIZED.

    Note: competitors are permitted one accident in each round of an event and may start a second time. After this they are relegated according to the level of the event.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Rockhopper wrote:
    Recognized accidents:

    • Fall
    • Puncture
    • Equipment failure: breakage of a vital part of the bike. These are RECOGNIZED accidents.

    Unrecognized accidents:

    • Tightening defect: foot out of pedal, misaligned wheel or handlebars, loose saddle etc. These are UNRECOGNIZED.

    Note: competitors are permitted one accident in each round of an event and may start a second time. After this they are relegated according to the level of the event.

    Doesn't change a whole lot as the 'accident' was deliberate.

    Though, everyone does this at every comepetition. I guess that's why he had no problem admitting it in the interview.
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    Regarding the Germans in this final, where was the man discussed here:

    viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12869319

    :?:

    According to the official results, it was for Germany

    3. [Germany] Germany 43.209

    . [Germany] René Enders
    . [Germany] Maximilian Levy
    . [Germany] Stefan Nimke

    No Forstemann.

    Was that a different race? Have I missed something? I could have sworn I'd seen him up earlier.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Lichtblick wrote:
    Just for a laugh, here is something from this morning's paper.

    TEAM SPRINT: Hindes, Kenny, Hoy
    Medal Chance: realistically, bronze
    Main rival: Germany

    Got that wrong then, didn't they? :D:D:D

    To be fair to them, on the form of the last two years that was a very reasonable assessment. Hindes only came into the team earlier this year and his debut had been promising but not amazing.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    I think Forsteman rode in the qualifier. Like the French the Germans exploited a loophole to get an extra man. The French put a track sprinter in the road race (he dropped out before Box Hill) and the Germans put one in the MTB race which I'm looking forward to seeing :lol:
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Pross wrote:
    I think Forsteman rode in the qualifier. Like the French the Germans exploited a loophole to get an extra man. The French put a track sprinter in the road race (he dropped out before Box Hill) and the Germans put one in the MTB race which I'm looking forward to seeing :lol:
    The German team had to be altered shortly before the competition started today – while warming up one of their riders (Nimke) strained or tore a muscle in the lower spine and had to be quickly substituted (by Forstemann). So they weren’t with their best squad. With it, the result would have likely been closer.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    Hadn't heard that. Porter mentioned Niemke wasn't in the team in the first round but didn't know why. Would the Germans have been able to make a change if they hadn't qualified the extra man?
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Pross wrote:
    Hadn't heard that. Porter mentioned Niemke wasn't in the team in the first round but didn't know why. Would the Germans have been able to make a change if they hadn't qualified the extra man?
    Probably not, but like you wrote above, they'd registered him as MTB-rider, although he's really a track rider.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Very fast track.


    The brits are still very impressive.

    The team sprint women know the rules, - they f*cked up. > the rules make sense. Stops you fidling about with your leadout - say, letting them only do half a lap or one and a half. Also punishes teams who don't have fast lead outs. If you have the legs to pass your leadout, you'll have to wait.
    _
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    Exactly, although it was a technical error rather than cheating, but rules are rules so out they went.
    Un uomo solo al commando
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    Pross wrote:
    I think Forsteman rode in the qualifier. Like the French the Germans exploited a loophole to get an extra man. The French put a track sprinter in the road race (he dropped out before Box Hill)
    He actually dropped out before he reached Chelsea. Just 3km completed and watched the finish on TV back at the athletes village. Not sure how that measures up with the antics of the badminton players....
    Un uomo solo al commando
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    The team sprint women know the rules, - they f*cked up. > the rules make sense. Stops you fidling about with your leadout - say, letting them only do half a lap or one and a half. Also punishes teams who don't have fast lead outs. If you have the legs to pass your leadout, you'll have to wait.
    Agree to an extent but from a spectator (not a GB) point of view not only this Olympics but the most recent Worlds have been ruined as a spectacle by this rule.
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Can't wait to see Forstermann have a do on the MTB , itd be ace if he finished!
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    The team sprint women know the rules, - they f*cked up. > the rules make sense. Stops you fidling about with your leadout - say, letting them only do half a lap or one and a half. Also punishes teams who don't have fast lead outs. If you have the legs to pass your leadout, you'll have to wait.
    Agree to an extent but from a spectator (not a GB) point of view not only this Olympics but the most recent Worlds have been ruined as a spectacle by this rule.

    Agree with this. Surely all the rule needs to say is that the riders must be changing at the end of the lap that would stop blatant abuse without seeing half the teams getting DQd.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Can't wait to see Forstermann have a do on the MTB , itd be ace if he finished!

    So if the rules say he has to start another event in order to enter the team sprint, what happens if he gets injured between now and the start of the MTB race? Do they take his medal off him? These rules are utterly ridiculous.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    Hindes back on message. No deliberate fall, his back wheel slipped coming out of the gate and he couldn't get it back under control so crashed ;) To be fair the slow mo looks like that did happen, I'm putting it down to the language barrier :lol:
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Pross wrote:
    Hindes back on message. No deliberate fall, his back wheel slipped coming out of the gate and he couldn't get it back under control so crashed ;) To be fair the slow mo looks like that did happen, I'm putting it down to the language barrier :lol:

    There was a funny moment when Jill Douglas asked him if he "tried to pull a fast one" at the start and he was like "yes, I tried to get away as fast as I could..." Lost in translation, I think :lol:
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Pross wrote:
    Hindes back on message. No deliberate fall, his back wheel slipped coming out of the gate and he couldn't get it back under control so crashed ;) To be fair the slow mo looks like that did happen, I'm putting it down to the language barrier :lol:

    I thought the slow mo looked like he was trying to find a way to crash without hitting the ground too hard :lol:
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    edited October 2012
    Can someone confirm what exactly Victoria did to get DQ?

    Is it becauase she was slightly in front before the 2nd lap? If so that is a complete disaster, not least because surely it is a disadvantage and should result in a slower time (as she is drafting for fractionally less time)?

    Give me the road any day.

    And the f'ing royals - small r. Lucky them getting prime seats in any event they like and probably helicopter transport between.

    Congratulations on the sprint win for the men. Can't get excited about it though. Going round a track fast for a minute with some ridiculous equipment. Well done. That kid - Hinds I think - did well.

    Hindes is also half German so could ride for them if he wanted. How do you go faster at 19 and no experience than the fastest man in the World at the first lap...

    Another shot of the un-rightly privileged
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Can someone confirm what exactly Victoria did to get DQ?

    Is it becauase she was slightly in front before the 2nd lap?

    That's basically it. Here are the rules (3.2.153 is the key one):

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    edited August 2012
    Thanks Rich.

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    Ipad edition tonight
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    And don't think many people have seen this one ; )

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    And anyone know where this is? Glasgow?
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  • PuttyKnees
    PuttyKnees Posts: 381
    So it's the last rule that's contravened? She "drew away" prior to the 15m mark?
  • reverendmark
    reverendmark Posts: 67
    frenchfighter wrote:

    And anyone know where this is? Glasgow?
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    It's Stratford - there's a couple of blocks on the other side of the railway line to the Olympics site. You can see them from the train
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    PuttyKnees wrote:
    So it's the last rule that's contravened? She "drew away" prior to the 15m mark?

    You've got to stay behind your lead out untill a certain point.

    Pendleton didn't.
    _
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited August 2012
    frenchfighter wrote:
    And anyone know where this is? Glasgow?
    It's in Stratford. It's a Gilette advert. You can see two others in the background (Tyson Gay and Liam Tancock)

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  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    The Daily fail's website makes me laugh:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    first story on the page "Her Royal Hugness: Kate and Wills celebrate with a rare display of affection as Britain's cyclists continue Olympic domination as Sir Chris Hoy equals Sir Steve Redgrave with an incredible fifth gold"

    Big picture of Kate and Will accompanied by a smaller one to the side of Hoy.


    What is wrong with them? Apparently the Kate and Wills hugging in public is more significant that Hoy's 5th Gold.

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