It's Official Schleck Brothers Suck
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My one problem with Andy is Frank. His best performances (in my book), Giro 2007, Tour 2010 were when Frank wasn't about to restrict him.
This whole Schleck one two punch thing is balls. Frank should be Andy's Sly, burning off pretenders or keeping him in touch. If he thinks he can win the Tour, he should get his own team.
As for not doing anything other than at the Tour, I think that is to do with his fragile make-up. I don't think he can hold form for any longer. I think Rick is spot on with the weight comment.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
See....This is much better. I do prefer it when everybody can have a debate and still play nice!
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Timoid. wrote:My one problem with Andy is Frank. His best performances (in my book), Giro 2007, Tour 2010 were when Frank wasn't about to restrict him.
This whole Schleck one two punch thing is balls. Frank should be Andy's Sly, burning off pretenders or keeping him in touch. If he thinks he can win the Tour, he should get his own team.
'Tis true, there's too much looking about - but Andy wouldn't have gone 60km out had Frank not been there. After all, the tactic was to shake it up for Frank - only Andy was a bit too strong and held it all the way to the finish.
Had Frank been there when Andy shipped the chain, Andy would have been in a stronger position.
For sure, they need to iron out this not attacking in case stuff they did in the Pyrenees in 2011 and on the Ventoux, but when they do it properly, they're stronger together (mentally they're tougher together too).0 -
Bakunin wrote:I'm not buying the Andy Schleck love.
It's not a case of 'love'. It's a case that he clearly doesn't 'suck'
Tactics are easy when we don't have to execute them ourselves. Tactics decided on after the race is over are the easiest of all.
Descents are all easy when we don't have to race down them ourselves and have also never crashed into a ravine in Switzerland.
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He never looks fat to me or even that he is carrying much extra. A bit rubbish that he can only ride well if he loses some weight though. Being dropped in California or having to quit some 1 week European stage racers is weak.
Anyway, I would suggest a read of this thread (further down about Andy):
viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12790620Contador is the Greatest0 -
RichN95 wrote:Bakunin wrote:I'm not buying the Andy Schleck love.
It's not a case of 'love'. It's a case that he clearly doesn't 'suck'
Tactics are easy when we don't have to execute them ourselves. Tactics decided on after the race is over are the easiest of all.
Descents are all easy when we don't have to race down them ourselves and have also never crashed into a ravine in Switzerland.
Racing all year round is simple when its done from our sofa.
Most comparisons are done (or should be) against other riders not against you or me (unless extolling their amazingness)Contador is the Greatest0 -
ddraver wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Timoid. wrote:My one problem with Andy is Frank. His best performances (in my book), Giro 2007, Tour 2010 were when Frank wasn't about to restrict him.
This whole Schleck one two punch thing is balls. Frank should be Andy's Sly, burning off pretenders or keeping him in touch. If he thinks he can win the Tour, he should get his own team.
'Tis true, there's too much looking about - but Andy wouldn't have gone 60km out had Frank not been there. After all, the tactic was to shake it up for Frank - only Andy was a bit too strong and held it all the way to the finish.
Had Frank been there when Andy shipped the chain, Andy would have been in a stronger position.
For sure, they need to iron out this not attacking in case stuff they did in the Pyrenees in 2011 and on the Ventoux, but when they do it properly, they're stronger together (mentally they're tougher together too).
I agree, they don't always get it right (who does?). I still think that part (not all) of the stuff you mention though Rick is that that's what "clean cycling" looks like. Neither of them have ever been rapid accelerators, but good at riding at a constant fast pace. This does make them easy pray for a Contador type rider who can dissappear in the last few kms and gain some seconds.
The attack on the tourmalet by Andy was sufficient to beat all but one of the best riders in the world at the biggest race. Cadel won because he rode an equally storming stage (and all credit to him!) - no one else was capable of holding on.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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cougie wrote:Not really 'Official' - but yeah they do.
Wiggins for the Tour !
I agree...Wiggins is definitely the top GC contender this year.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:RichN95 wrote:Bakunin wrote:I'm not buying the Andy Schleck love.
It's not a case of 'love'. It's a case that he clearly doesn't 'suck'
Tactics are easy when we don't have to execute them ourselves. Tactics decided on after the race is over are the easiest of all.
Descents are all easy when we don't have to race down them ourselves and have also never crashed into a ravine in Switzerland.
Racing all year round is simple when its done from our sofa.
Most comparisons are done (or should be) against other riders not against you or me (unless extolling their amazingness)
But you (and others) are the ones passing judgement on what the right or wrong ways to do things are, and how they should conduct themselves, not other riders.Twitter: @RichN950 -
frenchfighter wrote:RichN95 wrote:Bakunin wrote:I'm not buying the Andy Schleck love.
It's not a case of 'love'. It's a case that he clearly doesn't 'suck'
Tactics are easy when we don't have to execute them ourselves. Tactics decided on after the race is over are the easiest of all.
Descents are all easy when we don't have to race down them ourselves and have also never crashed into a ravine in Switzerland.
Racing all year round is simple when its done from our sofa.
Most comparisons are done (or should be) against other riders not against you or me (unless extolling their amazingness)
I tend to agree about comparing riders to riders. Still it takes a lot of nerve to slam a pro athlete when you're watching from the couch. In any case who else out there is a proven challenger to them, other than Cadel, AC and a very, very small handful of others?0 -
RichN95 wrote:Bakunin wrote:I'm not buying the Andy Schleck love.
It's not a case of 'love'. It's a case that he clearly doesn't 'suck'
Tactics are easy when we don't have to execute them ourselves. Tactics decided on after the race is over are the easiest of all.
Descents are all easy when we don't have to race down them ourselves and have also never crashed into a ravine in Switzerland.
Racing all year round is simple when its done from our sofa.
Well done Dennis!
You're better than that reply RIch.
Will you next tell me that the earth is round?
AS has been on the fast track for a long time -- and prior to AC's steak, he was the greatest stage racer that had never actually won a stage race. Apparently, we can't comment on that. Cool.0 -
Bakunin wrote:
You're better than that reply RIch.
Will you next tell me that the earth is round?
AS has been on the fast track for a long time -- and prior to AC's steak, he was the greatest stage racer that had never actually won a stage race. Apparently, we can't comment on that. Cool.
You can comment all you want. But they are both top performers in a sport which presumably you quite enjoy. And for that reason alone they deserve respect not complaints from the sofa because they choose to lead their life the way the want to not the way you expect them to. Saying they suck or calling them failures is just stupid.Twitter: @RichN950 -
dennisn wrote:cycling5280 wrote:
And of course you have had better results than either of them???? You make more money than they do?? You're riding for a better team than them???? You have more endorsments than they do???? Of course you do, 'cause they suck, right??? :roll: :roll:
I'm sorry but I'm not sure how you got the impression that I think I'm better and that's why they suck?0 -
cycling5280 wrote:
I'm sorry but I'm not sure how you got the impression that I think I'm better and that's why they suck?
Their cycling is considerably better than your blogging which genuinely does suck.Twitter: @RichN950 -
greasedscotsman wrote:So you think the Schlecks should be more like Pozzato?
Yes.0 -
cougie wrote:Not really 'Official' - but yeah they do.
Wiggins for the Tour !
Wiggins, Cadel and Levi are my top 3 GC contenders! Wiggins is looking strong!0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Posters starting threads just to publicise their own blogs really irritates me.
Don't know why. Doesn't do me any harm. But it irritates.
whiners irritate me. Don't know why. Doesn't do me any harm. But it irritates.0 -
RichN95 wrote:cycling5280 wrote:
I'm sorry but I'm not sure how you got the impression that I think I'm better and that's why they suck?
Their cycling is considerably better than your blogging which genuinely does suck.
okay?0 -
I know we re supposed to be nice to the newbie so I ll phrase this as helful advice. You re not making many friends here, maybe tone down the aggression a bit, this is a nice bit of the forum, not a slagging fest.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Rick Chasey wrote:afx237vi wrote:inkyfingers wrote:They don't suck, but their attitude seems to.
This. When people complain about the Schlecks, it's not their palmares they're complaining about.
*sighs*
Andy Schleck is the most daring of all the proper GC contenders I've ever seen*
in recent TdF this is probably true just on the back of the 2011 ride to the Galibier... no serious GC has done that sort of thing for yrs [landis exempt]
you have to go to the 90's to see that sort of thing Zulle to la plagne etc.
OTOH One does get a sense of precious diva_ness about the pair.... which is not inspiring. But then again who of these top guys is that likeable?
oh yeah the blog sucks"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Must be honest, I'm pretty ambivalent towards the Schlecks. When the race hard, they look great: very exciting, attacking flair etc. This is counter balanced by the infrequency of them racing hard, as they become more and more Tour training centric.
Hardly surprising that there are mutterings of discontent about Frank's Giro departure, from both Bruyneel and tifosi, given he'd finished in the very select front group, on the previous stage.
However, have to agree: pretty ambiguous thread title."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
RichN95 wrote:Bakunin wrote:
You're better than that reply RIch.
Will you next tell me that the earth is round?
AS has been on the fast track for a long time -- and prior to AC's steak, he was the greatest stage racer that had never actually won a stage race. Apparently, we can't comment on that. Cool.
You can comment all you want. But they are both top performers in a sport which presumably you quite enjoy. And for that reason alone they deserve respect not complaints from the sofa because they choose to lead their life the way the want to not the way you expect them to. Saying they suck or calling them failures is just stupid.
So I have to respect AS because he's never won a stage race or that he can't move his chain in a big race?
What are you -- the Mother Teresa of the Pro Race Forum...the Schlecks are professionals, everyone genuflect.
Do you extend this happy talk to politicians, actors, rock stars...
Hockey sticks to the head or you have become Dennis?0 -
they are both very good riders but as stated they both should have won so much more than they have. This year just seems to be a bad year for both but a few days ago Frank was saying he was starting to enjoy the giro then he gets a bit of rain and twitch in his shoulder and wants to go home0
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sherer wrote:they are both very good riders but as stated they both should have won so much more than they have. This year just seems to be a bad year for both but a few days ago Frank was saying he was starting to enjoy the giro then he gets a bit of rain and twitch in his shoulder and wants to go home
He missed his brother.0 -
cycling5280 wrote:sherer wrote:they are both very good riders but as stated they both should have won so much more than they have. This year just seems to be a bad year for both but a few days ago Frank was saying he was starting to enjoy the giro then he gets a bit of rain and twitch in his shoulder and wants to go home
He missed his brother.
and again...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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is it confirmed as dislocated. I read some comments from JB saying he didn't think the injury was that bad and he could still carry on0
