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JamesFree

An average of 400 watts over that distance is pretty impressive though ?

willy b

If I could ever get close to 26av over 120 miles i'll be a happy man

Completed the RHBE challenge on Strava yesterday, so now signed up to the Nunns Twice The Tour (1,479miles) for May... :shock:

okgo

JamesFree wrote:

An average of 400 watts over that distance is pretty impressive though ?

Looks like a Strava estimate as I can't see the lightening bolt thing...and I doubt many riders average 400 watts over 6 hours!

"Final 2km: Gerro averages 400 watts in the final 2km as they approach the finish. Nibali refused to do a turn as he knew he didn't have a chance in the sprint otherwise, and Gerro pulled one turn at 1.8kms remaining to help keep the gap."

That was to keep hold of Fabian Cancellara's wheel, so assume he would be doing 500~ to drive at that pace and they don't get any stronger than him. So can't see anyone averaging 400w over that length of time.

Gerrans averaged 210 w for the entire milan san remo for reference.

Gussio

willy b wrote:

Completed the RHBE challenge on Strava yesterday, so now signed up to the Nunns Twice The Tour (1,479miles) for May... :shock:

Chapeau! I'm at 60% and hoping to put a further dent into the target this weekend. RH2BE is much more achievable than the horror show that is the Climbing Challenge.

*ignores the challenge of 1,490 miles*

willy b

Gussio wrote:

willy b wrote:

Completed the RHBE challenge on Strava yesterday, so now signed up to the Nunns Twice The Tour (1,479miles) for May... :shock:

Chapeau! I'm at 60% and hoping to put a further dent into the target this weekend. RH2BE is much more achievable than the horror show that is the Climbing Challenge.

*ignores the challenge of 1,490 miles*

Agree it is much more acheivable, which I think is good. I was reading on Strava that you could create local challenges which woudl have been good, they seem to have ditched that idea now though! I wont coplete the Nunn's challenge, but there are different stages to aim for, so still worth entering id say! Plus you can look at who is first and be amazed by their efforts

ShandyH

okgo wrote:

What are you talking about? I was saying it was a flat ride, not a slow one. Sitting in a bunch at 26 mph On the flat is a piece of wee-wee, requires about 220w. I can see that from my race on Saturday.

However, over 120 miles it's certainly not as easy. I can also see from the same race that to do 27 mph for 5 mins needed almost doubt power.

What is doubt power? Is it fictional?

okgo

Double - and without the bunch draft I meant.

aeon

Padders wrote:

Nice one! I'm going to have to get back down there to defend my KOM when the weather clears up :twisted:

chapeau fellow KOM!

your time on the full towpath segment is strong, would love to have a go at it but suspect it's way out of reach

rick_chasey

Not strictly strava, but some data from a pro who rode the 2009 Fleche Wallone (which is on later today).

https://www.trainingpeaks.com/sw/7TTBIB ... TZX3IXUGK4

and the article to go with it here:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/for ... n=features

keyser__soze

Rick Chasey wrote:

Not strictly strava, but some data from a pro who rode the 2009 Fleche Wallone (which is on later today)....

To save people the time...

Paraphrasing wrote:

224w average? Pah, I've commuted at a higher average power than that.... 907w is really low too, I've done that pedalling backwards round Hillingdon... I should be a pro rider, I'm just like Cav in almost every way: bravado, personality, arrogance, just need to work on the actual pace a little.

:twisted:

okgo

Yes, that's a really accurate paraphrase, well done. :roll:

JamesFree

okgo wrote:

JamesFree wrote:

An average of 400 watts over that distance is pretty impressive though ?

Looks like a Strava estimate as I can't see the lightening bolt thing...and I doubt many riders average 400 watts over 6 hours!

"Final 2km: Gerro averages 400 watts in the final 2km as they approach the finish. Nibali refused to do a turn as he knew he didn't have a chance in the sprint otherwise, and Gerro pulled one turn at 1.8kms remaining to help keep the gap."

That was to keep hold of Fabian Cancellara's wheel, so assume he would be doing 500~ to drive at that pace and they don't get any stronger than him. So can't see anyone averaging 400w over that length of time.

Gerrans averaged 210 w for the entire milan san remo for reference.

Oh yeah missed the lightning bolt, so basically what strava are saying if he was riding solo at that pace on that course that would have been the required power? (not including wind etc)

keyser__soze

okgo wrote:

Yes, that's a really accurate paraphrase, well done. :roll:

Maybe not accurate, but it got a bite Was just meant as gentle ribbing, sorry if it irked you.

okgo

Yeh I guess so, but not sure what it does about the bike, etc. Because obviously some people could average that pace for 100 miles solo, Hutch did the 100 record with an average speed of 29 mph. But obviously was in aero gear etc, and I'm not sure of the wattages required to do that? Interesting topic for sure.

Which is why its a bit petty for the above but I see he was joking lol, all I was saying was that to maintain 26 mph in a bunch of people it requires a small amount of power. Whereas to hold it solo requires a hell of a lot more. And 5k climbing over 120 miles is pretty flat The Milan San Remo which is called the sprinters classic has 13k of climbing (it is a 3rd longer tho)

willy b

okgo wrote:

Which is why its a bit petty for the above but I see he was joking lol, all I was saying was that to maintain 26 mph in a bunch of people it requires a small amount of power. Whereas to hold it solo requires a hell of a lot more. And 5k climbing over 120 miles is pretty flat The Milan San Remo which is called the sprinters classic has 13k of climbing (it is a 3rd longer tho)

Ah this seems to back up my argument I was having with a load of mates about which is harder. A solo 100 at 17.5mph or a group 100 at 19mph av. I think solo is harder.

mr_ribble

Depends dunnit

If that 100 miles had 3 HC climbs from the start, 10% up all the way and fast and steep descents then you are not going to get much of an advantage of being in a big group. Aside perhaps from a bit of pacing and a wheel to follow on the descents.

100 miles dead pan flat into a STONKING headwind. Soloing would be heroically harder @ 17 vs 19mph in a group.

il_principe

The solo, every single time. Especially if you're achieving an av of over 17.5.

willy b

Mr_Ribble wrote:

Depends dunnit

If that 100 miles had 3 HC climbs from the start, 10% up all the way and fast and steep descents then you are not going to get much of an advantage of being in a big group. Aside perhaps from a bit of pacing and a wheel to follow on the descents.

100 miles dead pan flat into a STONKING headwind. Soloing would be heroically harder @ 17 vs 19mph in a group.

That was my argument. In a group you can "hide" where as solo it's just you and the wind. Although I would say solo is harder

okgo

Have to agree.

There are only a few situations where you would be faster solo than in a group, and to be honest, the only time I think I'd be faster solo is because we don't stop to wait for other people in the group. Even a team time trial is a lot faster than a solo usually.

Will and I did a fast 3 hills ride in just over 2 hours (I think I averaged bang on 20 mph - real average, not moving), I then did the same ride solo a week or two later and was 5 minutes quicker (. The only reason I can see that I was quicker is because I didn't stop at the top o the hills like we did in the group ride. The conditions were pretty similar too (apart from my back didn't hurt in the group ride)

solo - http://app.strava.com/rides/6039596#115236198
group - http://app.strava.com/rides/5640046#107438255

You can see that the HR was also higher in the solo ride, so this is all conclusive that group riding is nearly always easier I think.

aeon

in RP yesterday me & the wind teamed up and busted out 25.8mph over the robin hood - roehampton gate segment.

i deliberately sat up in the saddle, because even though i was in second-from-top gear i couldn't hear *anything* and was flying with little effort, so turned my back into a mainsail.

i'm sure there aren't that many dead-straight TTs with predictable strong winds, but yeah. when there's a friendly prevailing wind, is it still better to be in a bunch? if so it must feel amazingly quick.

okgo

Even with a tailwind you're still quicker in an aero tuck, the sail thing doesn't work like you think it does. I read that somewhere, and it makes sense, so yes, you'd still be faster in a bunch.

I too had a tailwind along there the other night.

And most TT's are around and back for that very reason I think.

aeon

i did wonder whether it was quicker! tbh getting a nice tuck on my flat-bar hybrid is kind of ungainly and i can't help but wonder how much of the damage is already done by e.g. big thick wheels, front shocks, 3ft wide bars, backpack etc.

was listening to an old Spokesmen Roundtable podcast where they had a Cervelo engineer talking about aero design - the takeaway for me was that drag makes up 80% of total resistance on flat ground, and the rider accounts for 80% of that drag...!

Pufftmw

Il Principe wrote:

The solo, every single time. Especially if you're achieving an av of over 17.5.

I did 17.4 to Brighton on Sunday and that was very hard work I can tell you

Gussio

17.4 is a good effort. Rode London-Brighton-London at the beginning of April and averaged 15.56mph. Might have been faster were it not for a decision to go over Box Hill via Pebble Hill Road on the way back (16% at the 95 mile mark was not welcome).

willy b

Main reason for the argument was because of my ride on Sunday...
http://app.strava.com/rides/6779925

Pufftmw

Gussio wrote:

17.4 is a good effort. Rode London-Brighton-London at the beginning of April and averaged 15.56mph. Might have been faster were it not for a decision to go over Box Hill via Pebble Hill Road on the way back (16% at the 95 mile mark was not welcome).

Thank you - the main reason for that is James Freeman! I was "trying" to follow him and was ok up to about 20 miles into the ride but I was starting to hold him up so he went on (& got lost) and did a 19.5 av or something similar :oops:

kelsen

I have a ride that's been trying to upload/refresh since last week every time I open Strava on my phone (Android), an error message eventually comes up saying 'Strava Upload Failed Internet connection unavailable'. Presumably this is down to corrupted data. Rides since then are fine. Anybody had a similar experience and managed to fix it? I'm not fussed about keeping the ride but I can't delete it on my phone and it's not showing when logged into Strava site.

Pufftmw

I did a 6.49 (19.2av) yesterday up Old Kent Road and a 6.48 (19.3av) this morning. Consistency or what?

Today would have been better had it not been for the stationary start and the lights at the end by Bricklayers - oh & the headwind :roll:

Ben6899

Okay, I sorted out a Strava account this morning. Username is "Ben H".

I've uploaded my four most recent rides from my Garmin Connect account. I'm 2nd and 3rd fastest on quite a few segments that I didn't even know existed... or at least that's what I think it's telling me?

Can anyone help? For example, it tells me I'm 2nd fastest for Regents Park CCW, but then I know my time isn't good enough and I am not on the leaderboard. Does it mean I was 2nd fastest on that particular date?

Thanks

PS. add/follow me or whatever one does!

kelsen

Ben6899 wrote:

Okay, I sorted out a Strava account this morning. Username is "Ben H".

I've uploaded my four most recent rides from my Garmin Connect account. I'm 2nd and 3rd fastest on quite a few segments that I didn't even know existed... or at least that's what I think it's telling me?

Can anyone help? For example, it tells me I'm 2nd fastest for Regents Park CCW, but then I know my time isn't good enough and I am not on the leaderboard. Does it mean I was 2nd fastest on that particular date?

Thanks

PS. add/follow me or whatever one does!

That'll be fastest out of your own rides, otherwise it'll say 2nd or 3rd Overall