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I think you'll find the army is busy elsewhere - TBH they don't have the equipment or training to deal with riots - stay safe folks0
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Rick Chasey wrote:
Interesting comment on Reddit about the Vancouver riots; apparently after it happened pictures of the rioters were put up all over the city on bustops etc... Loads of people were identified and prosecuted for this. What an excellent idea.0 -
In all seriousness, this is pretty bad. Probably only a matter of time before lives are lost, fires getting out of hand. It really does sadden me to see this in this country. Just hope it does not spread, and it does calm down.
The scenes I see look like the Blitz, almost firestorms happening.
Has society come to this, what has really gone wrong, is there still such a downtrodden part of society that feels the need to do what they are doing."Encyclopaedia is a fetish for very small bicycles"0 -
Starting in Birmingham city centre - reports of youth smashing shop windows0
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It's just kids, on summer holidays, out for some "fun". Nothing to do with social injustice or that bloke that got shot - it's a chance to throw shit at the feds and run around like a gangsta innit.FCN 4 - BMC CX020
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Jay dubbleU wrote:I think you'll find the army is busy elsewhere - TBH they don't have the equipment or training to deal with riots - stay safe folks
Would that be the British Army?
I think you'll find they have a lot of experience dealing with riots. However those tactics are only acceptable in Northern Ireland, not mainland GB.
If this was going on in Ardoyne or Derry 100's of plastic bullets would have been fired by now and in all likelihood rioters would be dead by now.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Is that why all the shops they're burning out are owned by Tories?hfidgen wrote:It's just kids, on summer holidays, out for some "fun". Nothing to do with social injustice or that bloke that got shot - it's a chance to throw shoot at the feds and run around like a gangsta innit.I used to just ride my bike to work but now I find myself going out looking for bigger and bigger hills.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:I think you'll find the army is busy elsewhere - TBH they don't have the equipment or training to deal with riots - stay safe folks
Would that be the British Army?
I think you'll find they have a lot of experience dealing with riots. However those tactics are only acceptable in Northern Ireland, not mainland GB.
If this was going on in Ardoyne or Derry 100's of plastic bullets would have been fired by now and in all likelihood rioters would be dead by now.
Different generation TWH - no baton rounds these days - Health and Safety0 -
Jay dubbleU wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:I think you'll find the army is busy elsewhere - TBH they don't have the equipment or training to deal with riots - stay safe folks
Would that be the British Army?
I think you'll find they have a lot of experience dealing with riots. However those tactics are only acceptable in Northern Ireland, not mainland GB.
If this was going on in Ardoyne or Derry 100's of plastic bullets would have been fired by now and in all likelihood rioters would be dead by now.
Different generation TWH - no baton rounds these days - Health and Safety
51 plastic bullets were fired in Ardoyne on 12th July 2011.
Granted it was the police not the army firing them.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:I think you'll find the army is busy elsewhere - TBH they don't have the equipment or training to deal with riots - stay safe folks
Would that be the British Army?
I think you'll find they have a lot of experience dealing with riots. However those tactics are only acceptable in Northern Ireland, not mainland GB.
If this was going on in Ardoyne or Derry 100's of plastic bullets would have been fired by now and in all likelihood rioters would be dead by now.
Different generation TWH - no baton rounds these days - Health and Safety
51 plastic bullets were fired in Ardoyne on 12th July 2011.
Granted it was the police not the army firing them.
Against petrol bombs and firearms I understand - don't blame them - I'd want something more than a riot shield if someone was shooting at me - baton rounds these days have a lower velocity than in the 80s0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:
Ha! Love it! Clearly a criminal mastermind. At least he'll be able to get well buff wiv 'is skanky Holland & Barret whey protein while in prison.0 -
EKE_38BPM wrote:On the issue of racism
I have been stopped by the police more times than I can remember. The first time was when I was about 15 and living in the affluent London suburb of Barnet. I was asked my name and when I gave it the copper said, "Ah, you must be xxx's brother" (which I am). My brother has never been in trouble with the police but he got stopped so often that the local police knew his name/face well enough to recognise me as his brother.
My nephews are now going through the same thing. Due to their work they are often out and about late at night/early in the morning and I have seen first hand how they are treated by the police. Not well.
Yes i have mates who are regularly stopped by the police, including one who is a mercury music prize winning jazz artist, and another high profile sound engineer who even attract police attention at thier own gigs!!0 -
Jay dubbleU wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:I think you'll find the army is busy elsewhere - TBH they don't have the equipment or training to deal with riots - stay safe folks
Would that be the British Army?
I think you'll find they have a lot of experience dealing with riots. However those tactics are only acceptable in Northern Ireland, not mainland GB.
If this was going on in Ardoyne or Derry 100's of plastic bullets would have been fired by now and in all likelihood rioters would be dead by now.
Different generation TWH - no baton rounds these days - Health and Safety
51 plastic bullets were fired in Ardoyne on 12th July 2011.
Granted it was the police not the army firing them.
Against petrol bombs and firearms I understand - don't blame them - I'd want something more than a riot shield if someone was shooting at me - baton rounds these days have a lower velocity than in the 80s
Don't particularly blame them either. Just never understood the distinction between what is acceptable in London and acceptable in Belfast.
We'll see how things develop.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Is that why all the shops they're burning out are owned by Tories?hfidgen wrote:It's just kids, on summer holidays, out for some "fun". Nothing to do with social injustice or that bloke that got shot - it's a chance to throw shoot at the feds and run around like a gangsta innit.
You for real? Do all the rich, white, right wing corner shop owners look like this in your mind?
There's a social element for sure - but I don't think they're out there to make a big political statement.FCN 4 - BMC CX020 -
TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:I think you'll find the army is busy elsewhere - TBH they don't have the equipment or training to deal with riots - stay safe folks
Would that be the British Army?
I think you'll find they have a lot of experience dealing with riots. However those tactics are only acceptable in Northern Ireland, not mainland GB.
If this was going on in Ardoyne or Derry 100's of plastic bullets would have been fired by now and in all likelihood rioters would be dead by now.
Different generation TWH - no baton rounds these days - Health and Safety
51 plastic bullets were fired in Ardoyne on 12th July 2011.
Granted it was the police not the army firing them.
Against petrol bombs and firearms I understand - don't blame them - I'd want something more than a riot shield if someone was shooting at me - baton rounds these days have a lower velocity than in the 80s
Don't particularly blame them either. Just never understood the distinction between what is acceptable in London and acceptable in Belfast.
We'll see how things develop.
Have to agree with you - a riot is a riot and should be dealt with the same anywhere in the UK0 -
hfidgen wrote:Initialised wrote:
Is that why all the shops they're burning out are owned by Tories?hfidgen wrote:It's just kids, on summer holidays, out for some "fun". Nothing to do with social injustice or that bloke that got shot - it's a chance to throw shoot at the feds and run around like a gangsta innit.
You for real? Do all the rich, white, right wing corner shop owners look like this in your mind?
And what about the people living above the carpet shop in Tottenham - or maybe they were bankers in disguise0 -
ddraver wrote:Who was the fixie fashionista who rode behind the BBC reporter on the news then? One of us?
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Police ignored all the kids turning up at Clapham and now they are just looting without any hinderance.0
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Jay dubbleU wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Jay dubbleU wrote:I think you'll find the army is busy elsewhere - TBH they don't have the equipment or training to deal with riots - stay safe folks
Would that be the British Army?
I think you'll find they have a lot of experience dealing with riots. However those tactics are only acceptable in Northern Ireland, not mainland GB.
If this was going on in Ardoyne or Derry 100's of plastic bullets would have been fired by now and in all likelihood rioters would be dead by now.
Different generation TWH - no baton rounds these days - Health and Safety
And who exactly is going to order the Army in?
If I was a senior (Brigadier and above) officer I would have my phone turned off and ear plugs in.
Ask the Para's if they think they were supported in the latest 'Bloody Sunday' findings.
Would you want to be in command?
People are questioning the actions of the police in the Duggan shooting, what do they think the army will do?
I personally would be quite happy to see pictures of Range Rovers travelling from Hereford and Poole and Army trucks on route and would accept the consequences, I'm not sure that 'community leaders' and social appologists would agree.Cobbles are all very well but I'd rather be riding towards the South of France0 -
I'd send in polar bears.The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
Just to be clear - these looters are doing so purely out of :
A) utter lack of societal moral compass
desire to acquire material goods to which they believ they are entitled without the need for bothersome hard graft at school and then in the workforce
As can be evidenced from the glee, laughter, and lighthearted brazenness with which it is all being carried out.
This is not driven by "poverty" - these people all have clothes, and haven't looted supermarkets for food. They are after new trainers which their idols have told them they deserve.
Their other role models have rapped to them about how cool violence is, and they have combined the two.0 -
I think we could learn a few tips from Syria. A quick phone call to President Assad is needed.Planet-X SL Pro Carbon.
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Personally I'm thinking - army stretched, lots of youths who like violence... Iraq and Afghanistan - pick one, and pull out all troops and ship in all the looters convicted of involvement here.
You think you're handy in a ruck? Have a go at the Mujaheddīn.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:I'd send in polar bears.
Genius of a post.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Garnett wrote:Personally I'm thinking - army stretched, lots of youths who like violence... Iraq and Afghanistan - pick one, and pull out all troops and ship in all the looters convicted of involvement here.
You think you're handy in a ruck? Have a go at the Mujaheddīn.
They could also learn a bit about being socially disadvantaged. Can't see there being much money being spent on youth programs in your average Afgan valley.
Red Ken looking a bit silly on BBC News at the moment. The presenter is properly giving him a hard time over his obvious political posturing, its all the fault of the coallition and Boris apparently. No wonder most people dont trust polititiansCobbles are all very well but I'd rather be riding towards the South of France0 -
Barry Nice wrote:Red Ken looking a bit silly on BBC News at the moment. The presenter is properly giving him a hard time over his obvious political posturing, its all the fault of the coallition and Boris apparently. No wonder most people dont trust polititians
I don't mind the bloke but he did sound like a complete tool on BBC earlier claiming that today's generation are the first in memory who are concerned for their future.0 -
Yeah, Red Ken was a bit of a tool. Sadiq Khan earlier was much better...something like "Too early for political comment. Right now all of Parliament is agreed that this must be stopped."
Sort of like what the shadow cabinet say when we're about to go to war...0 -
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dhope wrote:
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