Ricco hospitalised

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    RH has ricco down as a force of nature which is how I see it.

    some people are very predictable in there inability to control their self destructive impulses.

    ex cera epo head trying to step up to infusion land.... surprised we do not see more of this idiocy to be frank..which is probably a good sign as far as health is concerned.

    there is a lot of stupid people in cycling (read the world)
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    The thing which gets me is: how did they tell he blood doped?

    I am not a doctor, but I suspect they've found a percentage of cell which show the signs of poor storage.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    mididoctors wrote:
    RH has ricco down as a force of nature which is how I see it.

    some people are very predictable in there inability to control their self destructive impulses.

    ex cera epo head trying to step up to infusion land.... surprised we do not see more of this idiocy to be frank..which is probably a good sign as far as health is concerned.

    there is a lot of stupid people in cycling (read the world)

    Totally OT - heard you wrote a little colourful e-mail to the real peloton! :twisted:
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  • bazbadger
    bazbadger Posts: 553
    iainf72 wrote:
    It seems the blood tests at the hospital have confirmed he took a transfusion.

    This is so sad. Agree with others about how he got to this state.
    Mens agitat molem
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    RH has ricco down as a force of nature which is how I see it.

    some people are very predictable in there inability to control their self destructive impulses.

    ex cera epo head trying to step up to infusion land.... surprised we do not see more of this idiocy to be frank..which is probably a good sign as far as health is concerned.

    there is a lot of stupid people in cycling (read the world)

    Totally OT - heard you wrote a little colourful e-mail to the real peloton! :twisted:

    yeah got name checked there...they had a laugh about it and could read between the lines that it was actually sent in good humour.

    I credit those two with a certain level of emotional insight... compared with them being lazy, drunk and technically incompetent on occasion.

    we need a UN charter that states those two can not make a podcast unless they are in the same room.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    The 'peloton' acting like a herd, strange that.

    Seriously though, he's a human being who was critically ill, will now get better, go to prison, be someone's b*tch.

    What he isn't is a cyclist anymore, nor was he a symbol of how a cyclist should conduct themselves when he raced, trained, and cheated.

    Ever since his teenage years, about which the rumours abound, he has been a special case, and his idolisation of Marco Pantani has seemed to create some monstrous mirror image.

    I for one am happy he's no longer a cyclist. I don't want him anywhere near the sport, not even as a commentator, physio, mechanic, nothing.

    He deserves our sympathy as a very troubled human being, nothing else.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    RH has ricco down as a force of nature which is how I see it.

    some people are very predictable in there inability to control their self destructive impulses.

    ex cera epo head trying to step up to infusion land.... surprised we do not see more of this idiocy to be frank..which is probably a good sign as far as health is concerned.

    there is a lot of stupid people in cycling (read the world)

    Totally OT - heard you wrote a little colourful e-mail to the real peloton! :twisted:

    yeah got name checked there...they had a laugh about it and could read between the lines that it was actually sent in good humour.

    I credit those two with a certain level of emotional insight... compared with them being lazy, drunk and technically incompetent on occasion.

    we need a UN charter that states those two can not make a podcast unless they are in the same room.
    Do they read this forum?
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    RH has ricco down as a force of nature which is how I see it.

    some people are very predictable in there inability to control their self destructive impulses.

    ex cera epo head trying to step up to infusion land.... surprised we do not see more of this idiocy to be frank..which is probably a good sign as far as health is concerned.

    there is a lot of stupid people in cycling (read the world)

    Totally OT - heard you wrote a little colourful e-mail to the real peloton! :twisted:

    yeah got name checked there...they had a laugh about it and could read between the lines that it was actually sent in good humour.

    I credit those two with a certain level of emotional insight... compared with them being lazy, drunk and technically incompetent on occasion.

    we need a UN charter that states those two can not make a podcast unless they are in the same room.
    Do they read this forum?

    "shrug"

    doubt it..on occasion if they are pointed here by a tweet of somefink?

    others may know?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    A lot of the peloton could learn a few lessons from the head of WADA

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/02/ ... gic_159598
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rocksteadyeddie
    rocksteadyeddie Posts: 294
    What seems to have gone on with Ricco the last few days, is to my mind, truly shocking. How one reaches the conclusion to (presumably) withdraw your own blood, be so ignorant of the storage requirements that you let it "go bad", and then to reinfuse said blood is beyond comprehension. Just mind-bogglingly, jaw-droppingly stupid beyond words.

    As others have said Ricco's actions appear symptomatic of much more deeep-rooted mental issues. I hope he gets help before he, inevitably, ends up in a box.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Rocksteadyeddie wrote:
    What seems to have gone on with Ricco the last few days, is to my mind, truly shocking. How one reaches the conclusion to (presumably) withdraw your own blood, be so ignorant of the storage requirements that you let it "go bad", and then to reinfuse said blood is beyond comprehension. Just mind-bogglingly, jaw-droppingly stupid beyond words.

    As others have said Ricco's actions appear symptomatic of much more deeep-rooted mental issues. I hope he gets help before he, inevitably, ends up in a box.


    Well, assuming these stories are all true - a lifetime ban from the sport should be along shortly - so he should be safe from the need for performance enhancements. Unless he can find another sport to tarnish.
  • mattsy666
    mattsy666 Posts: 91
    What i always wanted to know was what was David Millars Real take on the whole thing back in the SD days ... He was on the same team and no doubt aware of the teams 'preparation' methods ...

    I know he was desperate for a job and was paying off his IVA but at what point do you think it might have been time to say enough was enough ... I know he has went off to play with JV and a good indicator of his talent is that he is actually competitive again now that most of the doping methods are now detectable so he is on a par with others ( which now makes me a little more inclined to like him as i can see how he got sucked into that in the past ...)
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    It's tough to see where he goes from here.

    He'll be "winning" granfondos (like Rumsas did for years) and/or working for the mafia. :?
    Un uomo solo al commando
  • mattsy666
    mattsy666 Posts: 91
    You can't be a ginge and work for the mafia ... They even refused to use red rum's head to frighten the bejesus out of some poor bugger ...
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Do they read this forum?

    "shrug"

    doubt it..on occasion if they are pointed here by a tweet of somefink?

    others may know?

    I secretly hope one says to the other "Pfft, that Rick Chasey, he really knows his classics stuff."


    *dreams*
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  • flanners1
    flanners1 Posts: 916
    No it isn't helpful and it is totally unjust that certain riders can dope and then return to a peleton who welcome them with open arms after they shed a few crocodile tears, why is Ricco the pariah?

    OK,Ricco appears relatively uneducated and unable to court the press or to undertake an effective doping programme unlike many of his peers on the Pro peleton that continue unabated as they have the funds and backing of the omerta, to continue to do so.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Flanners1 wrote:
    No it isn't helpful and it is totally unjust that certain riders can dope and then return to a peloton who welcome them with open arms after they shed a few crocodile tears, why is Ricco the pariah?

    OK,Ricco appears relatively uneducated and unable to court the press or to undertake an effective doping programme unlike many of his peers on the Pro peloton that continue unabated as they have the funds and backing of the omerta, to continue to do so.

    the big sin is getting caught without cover I guess

    what can I say

    life is unfair?

    but you have a point
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • shockedsoshocked
    shockedsoshocked Posts: 4,021
    Flanners1 wrote:
    No it isn't helpful and it is totally unjust that certain riders can dope and then return to a peloton who welcome them with open arms after they shed a few crocodile tears, why is Ricco the pariah?

    OK,Ricco appears relatively uneducated and unable to court the press or to undertake an effective doping programme unlike many of his peers on the Pro peloton that continue unabated as they have the funds and backing of the omerta, to continue to do so.

    Same has happened with Flandis, which is why I'm happy he's trying to take as many people down with him as possible.
    "A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"

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  • tremayne
    tremayne Posts: 378
    Totally agree with comments re. Omertà. I think thats actually a very insightful way to view the situation.

    And poor Ricco just needs help - in every respect.

    Also have no issue at all with Landis choosing to (belatedly!) come clean and take down any he can.
  • BarryBonds
    BarryBonds Posts: 344
    Totally agree this is a human tradgedy, Good luck Ricco!
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    DaveyL wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Of course it may well be true as we might find out in due course but this Floyd is now credible line that runs through this forum is quite ridiculous given how he was viewed 4 or 5 years ago.

    Here's how it works, Gubster.

    Lying = no credibility.

    Telling the truth = credibility.

    Here's how it works Davey

    previous lying and deceit = no credibility.

    previously lying but now claiming the truth= still no credibility
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • BarryBonds
    BarryBonds Posts: 344
    aha but Murray youre forgetting the fickle nature of opinion,

    Heres how it works

    Says what we want to hear = credibility

    Previously no credibility now saying things "right" = credibility.

    FWIW i can believe theres some truth in there.
  • bazbadger
    bazbadger Posts: 553
    previous lying and deceit = no credibility.

    previously lying but now claiming the truth= your opinion carries little weight on its own now*

    *Unless it's what itching ears want to hear!
    Mens agitat molem
  • Bugly
    Bugly Posts: 520
    No sypathy for Ricco - in the words of Larry Niven - think of it as evolution in action. He is a blight on the gene pool. Would love to see him banned for life. Save your sypathy for the poor blighter that suffers misfortune from no fault of their own not this
  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    Bugly wrote:
    No sypathy for Ricco - in the words of Larry Niven - think of it as evolution in action. He is a blight on the gene pool. Would love to see him banned for life. Save your sypathy for the poor blighter that suffers misfortune from no fault of their own not this

    Hospital visits don't allow evolution to eliminate the weak, death does.

    EDIT - He's also fathered a child already.

    I'd love to see him banned for life but I have some sympathy for him. He cheated at bike racing. Let's not lose our sense of proportion.
    Scottish and British...and a bit French
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    dulldave wrote:
    Bugly wrote:
    No sypathy for Ricco - in the words of Larry Niven - think of it as evolution in action. He is a blight on the gene pool. Would love to see him banned for life. Save your sypathy for the poor blighter that suffers misfortune from no fault of their own not this

    . He cheated at bike racing. Let's not lose our sense of proportion.

    +1

    Proportion or perspective is not something that is too prevalent in here,
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  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    dulldave wrote:

    I'd love to see him banned for life but I have some sympathy for him. He cheated at bike racing. Let's not lose our sense of proportion.

    Agree with your sentiment. He's not a rapist or a paedophile, yet some of the sentiments suggest that what he's done is on a par (Lock him up and throw away the key!!") He needs help and he needs to be steered away from cycling. I'm sure he's made enough money already to be able to make a reasnoable life for himself.

    I also find it funny that he's turned into pro racing's very own "The doper that it's ok to hate".
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Moray Gub wrote:
    dulldave wrote:
    Bugly wrote:
    No sypathy for Ricco - in the words of Larry Niven - think of it as evolution in action. He is a blight on the gene pool. Would love to see him banned for life. Save your sypathy for the poor blighter that suffers misfortune from no fault of their own not this

    . He cheated at bike racing. Let's not lose our sense of proportion.

    +1

    Proportion or perspective is not something that is too prevalent in here,

    and help father a culture that puts prospective participants of the sport at risk?

    or perhaps helped take it down a notch?

    the good thing he did was demonstrate how stupid this sort of behaviour is... its not just cheating at bike racing. a bunch people have died because they messed around with their blood values...


    OTOH a bunch of people died just by cycling I guess
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    mididoctors wrote:

    and help father a culture that puts prospective participants of the sport at risk?

    You could argue that. I think there's a stronger argument that he is a result of that culture than a father of it. It gets a bit circular when you think about it like that and calls into question anyone's admiration of Tom Simpson if you were to take it far enough.
    Scottish and British...and a bit French
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    dulldave wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:

    and help father a culture that puts prospective participants of the sport at risk?

    You could argue that. I think there's a stronger argument that he is a result of that culture than a father of it. It gets a bit circular when you think about it like that and calls into question anyone's admiration of Tom Simpson if you were to take it far enough.

    yeah I think you have it there

    my point really is its not as trival as just cheating
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm

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