Ricco hospitalised

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  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    A lot of you anti doping warriors slavering at the mouth over this, who knows this may turn out not to be doping related after all.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Moray Gub wrote:
    A lot of you anti doping warriors slavering at the mouth over this, who knows this may turn out not to be doping related after all.

    Indeed.

    However, Gazetta, who are supposed to be more informed than us, is sugegsting otherwise.

    So untill we get confirmation, we can discuss on only what we are told - which is that it is doping related.

    Even pros are weighing in on the argument, and they're more likely to know that we are too.
    _
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    A lot of you anti doping warriors slavering at the mouth over this, who knows this may turn out not to be doping related after all.

    Indeed.

    However, Gazetta, who are supposed to be more informed than us, is sugegsting otherwise.

    So untill we get confirmation, we can discuss on only what we are told - which is that it is doping related.

    Even pros are weighing in on the argument, and they're more likely to know than we are too.

    Wouldn't the twittering, anti-doping warriors amongst the peloton be just as unfamiliar about such DIY clandestine practices? :wink:
    For once, I find myself in agreement with Moray.
    There seems to be a general stampede to verbally crucify Ricco based upon the allegations of one man in newspaper reports.
    In the absence of a positive test, I'm inclined to say: SSDR. :P
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    I read on one website that RR denies the story

    http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/no ... p?id=35435
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    edited February 2011
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    A lot of you anti doping warriors slavering at the mouth over this, who knows this may turn out not to be doping related after all.

    Indeed.

    However, Gazetta, who are supposed to be more informed than us, is sugegsting otherwise.

    So untill we get confirmation, we can discuss on only what we are told - which is that it is doping related.

    Even pros are weighing in on the argument, and they're more likely to know that we are too.

    OK Ricco is a bit of a c*ck but one mans word seems to be going a helluva long way here,don't know if you can remember the fury and child abuse allegations unleashed at his girlfriend last year............and we all know how that one turned out. Lets wait and see what transpires before ducking him in the Tiber.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    CN picks up on the "convenient doper" angle:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/opi ... ect-pariah

    I
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    CN picks up on the "convenient doper" angle:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/opi ... ect-pariah

    I

    That's a good article. People need to remember the sympathy they felt for Landis when they finished reading the Kimmage article last week.

    Ricco chose to dope, but it didn't happen in isolation.
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    He'll be back, riding the granfondos for a meagre living and faux glory.
    Un uomo solo al commando
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    afx237vi wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    CN picks up on the "convenient doper" angle:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/opi ... ect-pariah

    I

    That's a good article. People need to remember the sympathy they felt for Landis when they finished reading the Kimmage article last week.
    .

    Speak for yourself I have never felt any sympathy for Landis at any time, i dont see the need to change that view just because he choose to target a certain individual. He was lying cheating fraudster 5 years ago and he is a lying cheating fraudster now.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    anyone noticed we haven't heard from Pat and the UCI yet. Surely a story like this is the sort of thing they should be looking into
  • OffTheBackAdam
    OffTheBackAdam Posts: 1,869
    He needs banning for life, for his own safety if nothing else.
    Remember that you are an Englishman and thus have won first prize in the lottery of life.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    OffTheBackAdam wrote:
    He needs banning for life, for his own safety if nothing else.

    So what if this is not doping related then ? so just ban him for life anyway for being a tool !
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • cycladianpirate
    cycladianpirate Posts: 122
    Watching the way the sentiments expressed in this thread have turned around is an object lesson in human behaviour.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Vaughters:
    Re Ricco..2things:1.Human life is precious,period.2.As opposed to criticizing RR(I am guilty2) we need to redouble efforts to prevent this.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Anyone know which knob pro tweeted they hoped he didn't wake up?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Tom BB
    Tom BB Posts: 1,001
    iainf72 wrote:
    Anyone know which knob pro tweeted they hoped he didn't wake up?

    Nope....I'm gonna guess Wiggo?
  • bazbadger
    bazbadger Posts: 553
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    He'll be back, riding the granfondos for a meagre living and faux glory.

    That is assuming he does not get sent to the Moon (presumably on Spartacus' "special bike")
    Mens agitat molem
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Speak for yourself I have never felt any sympathy for Landis at any time, i dont see the need to change that view just because he choose to target a certain individual. He was lying cheating fraudster 5 years ago and he is a lying cheating fraudster now.

    He's changed his story though, so either he was lying then and is now telling the truth, or he is lying now and was telling the truth then, surely?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    andyp wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Speak for yourself I have never felt any sympathy for Landis at any time, i dont see the need to change that view just because he choose to target a certain individual. He was lying cheating fraudster 5 years ago and he is a lying cheating fraudster now.

    He's changed his story though, so either he was lying then and is now telling the truth, or he is lying now and was telling the truth then, surely?

    Who's this Shirley person?
    Sorry, couldn't resist. :oops: :oops:
    Very bad joke but I have always wanted to say it.
  • EKIMIKE
    EKIMIKE Posts: 2,232
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Vaughters:
    Re Ricco..2things:1.Human life is precious,period.2.As opposed to criticizing RR(I am guilty2) we need to redouble efforts to prevent this.

    Of cristicising him or doping :o

    Gloves up, Ding Ding.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Ha!

    2nd tweet:
    funny.Too right.I was referring to being guilty of criticizing Ricco.Folks always have a field day with me.Its ok.I'm a big boy
    Contador is the Greatest
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Who is this tweeter? I need to change my opinion of him, or create an opinion, or reinforce one. A comment from one lacking in compassion and intelligence.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Apologies if this has been already posted:

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/09-02-2 ... 1667.shtml

    In short: Police didn't find any evidence at Ricco's house, related to blood doping or transfusions.

    This is where I dislike the media. So, so desperate to post something that the facts are always changing. And the opinions of various commentators etc; wait until there is some concrete info before casting aspersions.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • epc06
    epc06 Posts: 216
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Apologies if this has been already posted:

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/09-02-2 ... 1667.shtml

    In short: Police didn't find any evidence at Ricco's house, related to blood doping or transfusions.

    This is where I dislike the media. So, so desperate to post something that the facts are always changing. And the opinions of various commentators etc; wait until there is some concrete info before casting aspersions.

    +1
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Moray Gub wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    CN picks up on the "convenient doper" angle:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/opi ... ect-pariah

    I

    That's a good article. People need to remember the sympathy they felt for Landis when they finished reading the Kimmage article last week.
    .

    Speak for yourself I have never felt any sympathy for Landis at any time, i dont see the need to change that view just because he choose to target a certain individual. He was lying cheating fraudster 5 years ago and he is a lying cheating fraudster now.

    I was speaking for anyone who has a) read the Kimmage piece in its entirety and b) has a shred of compassion.

    andyp has already pointed out that the second part of your reply doesn't make any sense.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Apologies if this has been already posted:

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/09-02-2 ... 1667.shtml

    In short: Police didn't find any evidence at Ricco's house, related to blood doping or transfusions.

    This is where I dislike the media. So, so desperate to post something that the facts are always changing. And the opinions of various commentators etc; wait until there is some concrete info before casting aspersions.


    I actually find myself agreeing with you on this. I suspect it will turn out to be true - but am still holding back on my judgement until I find out for 'certain'. As certain as one can be with these things.....
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Can't help but feel that that there is a lot of misplaced anger here, both from certain pros and from certain forumites...

    IF guilty of attempting to carry out a transfuision on himself, then Ricco deserves pity he's obviously slightly unhinged. It seems his only real crime, from the professional peleton's POV is being a bit of a d!ckhead...compare the twittersphere's reaction to the latest Ricco case to that for the Contador case. The only differences are that Contador has been found guilty, whereas thusfar the evidence for Ricco's guilt is dubious at best!
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    I don't like Ricco at all, but seeing how people and the cycling world have slammed him and gloating on this, even when there's no "official" news yet, this really makes me sick.
    Scary, hello witch hunt.
  • Doobz
    Doobz Posts: 2,800
    I liked the last bit of this article

    http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-c ... -bit-rich/
    Is it okay for riders to keep schtum about the likes of Contador, Valverde, Di Luca and Rasmussen (the list goes on) because they were only banned once? Because they didn’t appear to have odious personalities and clung to implausible defences? A cheat is a cheat, whether he has big, brown doe-eyes or conducts himself with shameless arrogance.

    Ricco belongs to that latter category. He might be a fool, a liar and a cheat too. Hell, he comes off as a nasty piece of work personality-wise as well.

    However, he should not be the scapegoat for cycling’s collective woes or a target for mass hysteria, especially while facts are hazy and he recovers from liver failure in an Italian hospital.

    Twitter, and internet comment in general, is geared towards knee-jerk reaction. But I hope that, as the flames flicker out twenty-four hours after the initial inferno, more people will stop, think and realise that Ricco is not the enemy.

    Cheats as a whole are, and the riders needs to rally as a whole against them – in person.
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Apologies if this has been already posted:

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/09-02-2 ... 1667.shtml

    In short: Police didn't find any evidence at Ricco's house, related to blood doping or transfusions.

    This is where I dislike the media. So, so desperate to post something that the facts are always changing. And the opinions of various commentators etc; wait until there is some concrete info before casting aspersions.

    Got to agree with you on the media. They sometimes will say anything to sell copy or air time.

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