Floyd -- he wrote us a letter...
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I also hope Floyd doesn't pull a Pantani after this rollercoaster is over. What will Bahati do with him?
Cheryl Crow must have known what is in the fridge. She was basically living with Lance for the last year they were dating. Hell, she was washing his biking shorts so was pretty integrated into the household, she must have wondered what all the blood bags were doing in the fridge.When a cyclist has a disagreement with a car; it's not who's right, it's who's left.0 -
pitchshifter wrote:iainf72 wrote:pitchshifter wrote:
Armstrong never has been tested positive. Does he know something so many others dont on how to avoid being caught? Highly unlikely. Did he know most of his team were doped up? Most definitely.
No "big names" really tested positive until 2006'ish. Look at Basso and Ullrich. It doesn't take a genius to not test positive.
Ok. I considered this. Are we going to assume that should Armstrong of doped before, he is still at it now? 3rd in the Tour de France is not to be sniffed at.
Basso and Ulrich were the closest rivals during many of his tour wins, assuming they were all doped up (including Armstrong). Does this mean Armstrong was still the stronger man?
Honestly; if what you take from this story is that Armstrong was the 'best cheater' then I don't know what to say.
Additionally, if it reflected the rest of their Tour prep, then Johan's doping regime was probably streets ahead of T-Mobile (if not CSC) through 2000-2005, so no, it doesn't make him automatically the strongest.___________________
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That's a whole pile of mud to make unstick.0
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Holy Moly!Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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The more the UCI comes out with these type of responses the more I worry that pro-cycling could actually end up down the plug hole.
I just hope that the UCI isn't sticking with the devil it knows by not carrying out a root and branch investigation into cheating in the sport rather than protecting it's own interests by looking the other way.
If everyone that has been involved with cheating was caught and thrown out how many would be left? Would those that came in behave any different? How many sponsors would still be interested? Maybe we don't want to know the answer...0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel
during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a
helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San
Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg
patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week
later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be
transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not
witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on
our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution
of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the
inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in
the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari,
who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he
did not believe Mr Farrari and contin
ued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
2003: After a broken hip in the winter, I flew to Gerona Spain where this
time two units (half a liter each) were extracted three weeks apart. This
took place in the apartment in which Mr. Armstrong lived and in which I was
asked to stay and check the blood temperature every day. It was kept in a
small refrigerator in the closet allong with the blood of Mr Armstrong and
George Hincapie and since Mr. Armstrong was planning on being gone for a few
weeks to train he asked me to stay in his place and make sure the
electricity didn't turn off or something go wrong with the referigerator.
Then during the Tour de France the entire team, on two different occasions
went to the room that we were told and the doctor met us there to do the
transfusions. During that Tour de France I personally witnessed George
Hincapie, Lance Armstrong, Chechu Rubiera, and myself receiving blood
transfusions. Also during that Tour de France the team doctor would give my
room mate, George Hincapie an
d I a small syringe of olive oil in which was disolved andriol, a form of
ingestible testosterone on two out of three nights throughout the duration.
I was asked to ride the Vuelta a Espana that year in support of Roberto
Heras and in August, between the Tour and the Vuelta, was told to take EPO
to raise my hematocrit back up so more blood transfusions could be
performed. I was instructed to go to Lances place by Johan Bruyneel and get
some EPO from him. The first EPO I ever used was then handed to me in the
entry way to his building in full view of his then wife. It was Eprex by
brand and it came in six pre measured syringes. I used it intravenously for
several weeks before the next blood draw and had no problems with the tests
during the Vuelta. Also during this time it was explained to me how to use
Human Growth Hormone by Johan Bruyneel and I bought what I needed from Pepe
the team "trainer" who lived in Valencia along with the team doctor at that
time. While training for that Vuelta I spent a good deal of time training
with Matthew White and Michael Barry and shared the testosterone and EPO
that we had and discu
ssed the use thereof while training.
Again, during the Vuelta we were given Andriol and blood transfusions by the
team doctor and had no problems with any testing.
2004: Again the team performed two seperate blood transfusions on me, but
this time Bruyneel had become more paranoid and we did the draws by flying
to Belgium and meeting at an unknown persons appartment and the blood was
brought by "Duffy" who was at that time Johans assistant of sorts. The
second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of
a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine
trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the
entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time
that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the
other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong, George
Hincapie and I as the only Americans.
2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion
technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant
to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare
the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper
temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my
hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before
the start so as to not start with a deficit.
2006: Well you get the idea....... One thing of great signigicance is that
I sat down with Andy Riis and explained to him what was done in the past and
what was the risk I would be taking and ask for his permission which he
granted in the form of funds to complete the operation described. John
Lelangue was also informed by me and Andy Riis consulted with Jim Ochowitz
before agreeing.
There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the
process of writing into an intelligible story but since the position of USA
Cycling is that there have not been enough details shared to justify calling
USADA, I am writing as many as I can reasonably put into an email and share
with you so as to ascertain what is the process which USA Cycling uses to
proceed with such allegations.
Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can
be trusted to do the right thing.
Floyd Landis
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seems so shabby and ghetto
not what i imagined"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Barry implicated. That' be a marginal pain in the ass.
Where's Matt White now?___________________
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Its really PR for his forth coming book....
the timing and everything"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
iainf72 wrote:
Totally agree - doping is living a lie but once he was banned and continued to deny it things must have been awful. His whole life must have revolved around trying to prove something he knew was a lie and that he knew not that many people believed him. Must have been absolute hell - worse than the ban itself.
ooh it's just been on BBC news - nice of them to cover cycling for a change !!
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
Michael Barry, Allen Lim, Matt White, DZ and JV... there's Garmin scr8wed and Barry's Sky career maybe at an end.
Wiggins has some explaining to do about his link to Lim last year."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Whoah!while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.0 -
calvjones wrote:Barry implicated. That' be a marginal pain in the ass.
Where's Matt White now?
in the car with Garmin"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Wiggins has some explaining to do about his link to Lim last year.
Come off it will you?0 -
Kléber wrote:
Whoah!while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
1-800-call a lawyer"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Kléber wrote:
Whoah!while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
To clarify.
Lance.___________________
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Kléber wrote:
Whoah!while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
Sylvia Schink (sp?) made a similar allegation, that LA had donated money to the UCI to 'fight doping' yet that donation never made it to the UCI's audited accounts. The implication was that it lined someone's pockets instead.0 -
Kléber wrote:
Whoah!while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
Thats what stood out for me too! Surely Vrubrugens lawyers have had a hectic few days going over this. Floyd could be even more out of pocket when this is over0 -
This has kept me away from the Podium Girls thread for minutes!___________________
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Gazzaputt wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:Wiggins has some explaining to do about his link to Lim last year.
Come off it will you?
this is what people said when Kimmage wrote his book.
No one is above suspicion, as far as I'm concerned.
The whole sport is a cancer IMO0 -
the sport will be put back into the dark ages in terms of sponsorship, well paid team places LA will make a break for it or top himself if the investigators turn the heat up, get hard evidence. Same for JB. I suppose no evidence might mean no court cases though?0
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Eagerly awaiting Armstrong to wake up to this.. Will he mention it on twitter? Place your bets now.
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Without hard evidence this will blow over within the week - there are too many vested interests that want stories like this to disappear.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
Floyd Landis wrote:
Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can
be trusted to do the right thing.
Floyd Landis
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Tom Butcher wrote:Without hard evidence this will blow over within the week - there are too many vested interests that want stories like this to disappear.
Does Landis' training diaries count as evidence?
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/n ... id=5203604
There will be a money trail too.0 -
Yeah without hard evidence i dont see how it can stand up? Ive read before that Landis had a photo of a certain motorbike that transported materials around but even if it looks the part i dont think that's going to worry the lawyers.0
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If we had to chop out everyone who had doped in the past - we'd have precious little left of the organisation as we know it.
Most of the managers and staff would go, certainly the older pros would have to go.
I dont see that because riders may have done it a few years back we should kick them out now.
JV seems to be running an honourable team now - he seems pretty sensible.0 -
ives. wrote:Gazzaputt wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:Wiggins has some explaining to do about his link to Lim last year.
Come off it will you?
this is what people said when Kimmage wrote his book.
No one is above suspicion, as far as I'm concerned.
The whole sport is a cancer IMO
Well get out of it if you feel that strongly. Hockey isn't half bad and clean.0 -
You can start to ask questions about the travel plans of some. If one person mentioned along the way corroborates the story, Landis's tale will grow exponentially.Cumulonimbus wrote:Yeah without hard evidence i dont see how it can stand up? Ive read before that Landis had a photo of a certain motorbike that transported materials around but even if it looks the part i dont think that's going to worry the lawyers.
It'll be interesting to see if Barry, Vaughters and Zabriskie react.0
