Floyd -- he wrote us a letter...

Gazzetta67

Carlton Kirby is a Bum muncher - No Surprise there Eurosport cant be seen to Rubbish the TEXAN MESSIAH !!!!

How dare they damage our sir planet lancelot

DaveyL

Those moaning about Carlton, I guess you didn't listen to Harmon this afternoon...

Tusher

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

My two penny's worth...

I've always thought Floyd was a compulsive liar, and a bit weird and creepy really

+1

He looks like the sort of man who watches internet porn. I have never, ever liked him. At all. Even before I had a reason to. The Lemond thing was the final straw.

Although, I have a sneaking pity for him right now- think he's written the e-mails whilst mortal drunk, it must have taken gumption to tell his folks, and now he's left to carry his cross past a jeering crowd who donated to his legal fees whilst being kicked by Lance et al.

But it will all come out in the end, Mr Armstrong, it always does.


Cable 4 front, knit 6, cable 4 back........

Richrd2205

Carlton's just managed one of those spectacular damning-whilst-trying-to-be-nice bits of commentary.....
Something along the lines of: LA has been accused, along with several others. & some of the others we are sure are absolutely clean & have been for some years....
Other than missing the point that the accusations aren't about the past few years, it was quite funny in a silly mistake sort of a way.
Obviously, according to Carlton, it's a terrible thing to have hanging over you...

&, Davey, no I didn't hear Harmon this afternoon. I got the impression from the posts here that he dealt with it quite well. What happened/was said?

pomtarr

gabriel959 wrote:

quick tip, Alt-GR 164 in the numeric key pad brings you the lower case one, 165 the upper case one

Spoken like a true Spaniard! (well.... typed anyway)

afx237vi

Audio interviews with Kimmage and McQuaid here:

http://www.newstalk.ie/downloads/floyd- ... armstrong/

I've just got up to the point where Paul describes himself as an objective cycling journalist

ju5t1n

DaveyL wrote:

Those moaning about Carlton, I guess you didn't listen to Harmon this afternoon...

no, missed it, what's his opinion?

DaveyL

He didn't come out and condemn anyone but he spent a lot of time going into all the allegations and details, and was pretty impartial about it all. He certainly didn't defend Armstrong or rubbish the claims in any way.

knedlicky

This is the (acc to JB) 'huge' crash. That's LA on the far edge of the road.
It is not known if he was given a blood transfusion after the crash. Or before it.

afx237vi

afx237vi wrote:

Audio interviews with Kimmage and McQuaid here:

http://www.newstalk.ie/downloads/floyd- ... armstrong/

I've just got up to the point where Paul describes himself as an objective cycling journalist

FWIW, Kimmage is boring, but McQuaid is well worth a listen... 12 minutes in. Very good interviewer. McQuaid sounds like he's going to start crying by the end. Unbelievable.

And, bingo, right at the end we have the "never tested positive" defence. Thanks Pat.

Tusher

Toto's take on events- http://nyvelocity.com/toto

DavMartinR

afx237vi wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Audio interviews with Kimmage and McQuaid here:

http://www.newstalk.ie/downloads/floyd- ... armstrong/

I've just got up to the point where Paul describes himself as an objective cycling journalist

FWIW, Kimmage is boring, but McQuaid is well worth a listen... 12 minutes in. Very good interviewer. McQuaid sounds like he's going to start crying by the end. Unbelievable.

And, bingo, right at the end we have the "never tested positive" defence. Thanks Pat.

Yea just listed to this.
Sounds like its everbody else's problem not the UCI's, to investigate these claims.
Wasn't the french incharge of doping controls when Landis got caught?
Pat sounds like he's one of LA's PR people at the end of this.

pomtarr

Tusher wrote:

Toto's take on events- http://nyvelocity.com/toto

Toto doesn't hang about!

afx237vi

Greg Lemond:

"I believe most of Floyd Landis’s statements regarding the systemic corruption in professional cycling. I imagine from my own experiences that today he is paying a heavy price for his honesty and I support Floyd in his attempt to free himself from his past. I hope that others- fans, riders and sponsor’s embrace this as an opportunity to bring about positive change in the sport."


http://greglemond.com/blog/floyd-landis ... ping-0520/

Tusher

Well said, Mr Lemond.




T2B, p2, (T3F, T3B) 4 times, knit to end

AidanR

afx237vi wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Audio interviews with Kimmage and McQuaid here:

http://www.newstalk.ie/downloads/floyd- ... armstrong/

I've just got up to the point where Paul describes himself as an objective cycling journalist

FWIW, Kimmage is boring, but McQuaid is well worth a listen... 12 minutes in. Very good interviewer. McQuaid sounds like he's going to start crying by the end. Unbelievable.

And, bingo, right at the end we have the "never tested positive" defence. Thanks Pat.

Interesting stuff. I'm not sure I agree about McQuaid sounding like he's about to cry though.

Kimmage seemed pretty bullish, basically saying he thinks this is the end of Armstrong, particularly as the Feds are getting involved. It felt like he was saying "Lance can bullshit the anti-doping authorities and media as much as he likes, but if he lies to the authorities he could end up in serious legal trouble." Now that would be amazing.

micron

Listen to the interview then watch the press conference:

McQuaid claims Armstrong gave a donation to the UCI in 2005, yet under oath at the SCA hearings in 2005 Armstrong says he made a donation several years earlier. Cut to the press conference 'Have you ever paid the UCI any money' 'Absolutely not!'

Now, which is to be? Whose the liar (well, obviously McQuaid is fast and loose with the truth when he peddles the 'most tested athlete in the world - fact!' line)? They really need to get those stories straight. Still, it should be easy to follow the money - you do still have the receipt for that $88,000 machine, don't you Pat?

Tusher

I can see tearful confessions about 'trying blood doping once' or 'thinking about it' coming from the named suspects, but, much as I would love to see it, I just can't see Armstrong going down.

Although I would be delighted to be proved wrong.



K1, s1, k1, psso, patt to last 3 sts, k2tog, k1

pomtarr

Tusher wrote:

I just can't see Armstrong going down.

+1. High stakes.Not just LA's cycling career/palmares but also his future political career in the balance. I just can't see him leaving anything to chance.

Tusher

His future political career has probably just tipped into the 'not feasible' balance. Cycling journalists (with notable exceptions) may have a sycophantic streak (and we can all name and judge them) but Livestrong is a major charity. Of course, it's not MacMillan or Marie Curie, (and heaven help an American citizen who is diagnosed with cancer and doesn't have adequate health insurance) but there are a lot of cancer patients out there who idolize the man.









k2,p2,k2,p6, (k2, p2) twice, T2B, p2, k6

IanLD

What a thread! LA and the hog finally getting their dues.



Really looking forward to see how this develops!

Edited as my posts are being taken out of context and misquoted.

moray_gub

AidanR wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/8696059.stm

Armstrong has had stitches to his elbow and below his eye. He's being x-rayed for a possible broken elbow. I'm guessing that'd rule him out of the TdF.

Sore sounding injuries..........especially considering he flung himself onto the road deliberately :roll: .

moray_gub

IanLD wrote:

What a thread! LA and the hog finally getting their dues.

I actually feel sorry for cancer victims who have taken LA at face value. !

Thats a crass statement i bet you have never considered for one minute a cancer victim who took inspiration from Lance.

rick_chasey

As much as I would like to see Lance get his comeuppance, and I really would, it'll be the end of any growth in popularity pro cycling has experienced here in the UK, if he does.

Lance is a little like a big bank in cycling. Made a fortune during times when the regulation was a little lax, managed to get away with it, but now the sh!t hits the fan and he's basically 'too big to fail'. It'd really cripple cycling if Lance ever admits to doping.

sherer

recorded the Giro so stayed away from forum until now. Heard Harmon mention a tweet from "afx237vi"

Think I have solved this case anyway. Astana had internal doping controls which all the riders past so surely none of them have doped

rick_chasey

You do wonder why Landis has said this.

I mean, if you really do spend $2million fighting an legal decision that you know is correct....

It's all very odd.

IanLD

Edited as others are taking pleasure in misquoting my posts.

SpaceJunk

Rick Chasey wrote:

You do wonder why Landis has said this.

I mean, if you really do spend $2million fighting an legal decision that you know is correct....

It's all very odd.

I wonder too.

One possible (?) explanation?

He claims in 2006 TdF he was on HGH but not testosterone. Maybe he was convinced the dope test that caught him out was faulty.

I could imagine him thinking "gee, if I can prove the test was wrong I can keep the yellow, because it's not like they've picked up that i'm using HGH."

Not sure how Flandis' mind works (or any doper for that matter), but I wouldn't be surprised that Flandis could convince himself that he did nothing wrong because they didn't catch him on the drug he was using.

Who knows??

Bakunin

Interesting day.

In the days head, I think there are a couple of things to watch:

1) will the cycling (and real) journalists do their job? The emails are an invite to do some work -- will it be done? It is doubtful that Floyd has any real evidence, but there are a lot of details to be worked. Will the journalists dig it up?

2) Forget Lance, for me, this is really about the pigs at the UCI. McQaid's comments today were a joke. Will there now be a critical mass to reform that sick organization? What will WADA do? The ASO?

3) Andy Rihs' comments were weak. BMC (the bike manufacturer) has to pose some tough questions to the people who run their team. I think claims about systematic doping are key. It says all we need to know about that culture.

4) Vaughters' quotes need to be acted on. That is, he needs to answer some big questions -- something that he has failed to do. He and his team are established, now he should act. He should come to Landis' defense. Lemond did. Kimmage did.

“We were created to support riders who are committed to clean cycling and it’s going to continue to be that way”... “What were going to do is simply move forward in making sure that sport in general and this team is clean and real. We’re simply absolutely committed to the future of cycling and what we’re doing right here and right now. That’s been our line since the beginning.”

5) Most important, will Tusher ever post a photo of what she is knitting?

moray_gub

IanLD wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

IanLD wrote:

What a thread! LA and the hog finally getting their dues.

I actually feel sorry for cancer victims who have taken LA at face value. !

Thats a crass statement i bet you have never considered for one minute a cancer victim who took inspiration from Lance.

Moray - you've picked up what I've said the wrong way. I'm sure there are lots of people who have been inspired by his recovery and should continue to do so. I wouldn't mind if you retract your statement as I know someone who has been inspired this way.

What I object to is the whole Armstrong myth and his denials. He would have been a great inspiration by just coming back. Now it is all tarnished.

As I said, please retract your statement.

Your statement was crass imo as iI dont really think you have looked at cancer survivor taking inspiration from Lance and felt sorry for them becuase of where they take their inspiration i really dont. So i stand by my viewpoint