Big fat winter power training thread
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I'm adding a guesstimate of my Feb power, but it's only based on a couple of 11min intervals yesterday (333W, 318W on powertap). They were hard but not all out, and it was only 2degs. I'm hoping that cold weather affects power a lot
Alex_Simmons/RST --- Sep -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
Oct -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
Nov -- 300watts -- 78kg -- 3.8 w/kg
Bhima
Oct -- 278watts -- 58kg -- 4.8 w/kg
Feb -- 286watts -- 62kg -- 4.6 w/kg
Bronzie
Dec -- 260watts -- 74kg -- 3.5 w/kg
Jan -- 250watts -- 75kg -- 3.3 w/kg
Disgruntledgoat
Nov -- 332watts -- 76kg -- 4.4 w/kg
Dec -- 338watts -- 74kg -- 4.5 w/kg
Feb -- 346watts -- 74kg -- 4.67 w/kg
Jeff Jones
Oct -- 320watts -- 69kg -- 4.6 w/kg
Feb -- 315watts -- 70kg -- 4.5 w/kg
JibberJim
Nov -- 295watts -- 75kg -- 3.9 w/kg
Dec -- 300watts -- 75kg -- 4.0 w/kg
Feb -- 310watts -- 74kg -- 4.2 w/kg
NapD
Sep -- 220watts -- 96kg -- 2.3 w/kg
Nov -- 277watts -- 89kg -- 3.1 w/kg
Phil S
Oct -- 305watts -- 71kg -- 4.3 w/kg
Rokkala
Nov -- 312watts -- 73kg -- 4.3 w/kg
slunker
Feb -- 300watts -- 72kg -- 4.16 w/kg
NickD
Jan -- 235watts -- 73kg -- 3.2 w/kg
Feb -- 255watts -- 73kg -- 3.5 w/kg
hopper1
Feb -- 220watts -- 76kg -- 2.89 w/kg
mididoctors
Feb -- 223Watts -- 83kg -- 2.68 w/kgJeff Jones
Product manager, Sports0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:According to the power curve on my kurt kinetic, 75kph is 2183watts. :?
not bad for a 62kilo geezer"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
All rollers are different. Mine have barely any resistance, so I can get up to 75kph spinning pretty fast on the top gear for about 5 seconds max. I've got to 90km/h in my fastest sprint before.
Not bad, only 255kph off the world record (Bruce Bursford did 345, but he had quite a bit bigger gear....)0 -
I dunno what my w/kg is.
But I weigh 77kg, 5ft 10.
Today I did 238W, 20W more than yesterday and I had a lower avg heart rate today. It won't be long at al before I'm at 300W average I think.0 -
You're missing the point really Will. People on here are posting their FTP, the best average power they can sustain for an hour. If you're trolling along at 240W but well under your maximum sustainable power for an hour, you're not comparing like with like.
It's like someone saying the fastest I drove my car was 120 mph with my foot to floor, you come along and say I drove my car at 95 mph but I didn't have my foot all the way down. No-one knows from the info you're providing if at the top end you'd be better or worse than the other guy.0 -
So what am I supposed to do? Post my max sustainable power for 1 hour? If so I don't have one, I've never gone on the turbo for an hour, it was a 15 mile course I did that I finished in 42 mins. And that was my avg watts.
I just looked at the OP tbh. What's FTP mean?0 -
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Pokerface wrote::roll:
What's with the attitude? It's what really annoys me about these forums, 90% knobs. All I did is post my wattage for a run and it did not seem wrong going by the OP of this thread. And all I get is comments with attitude, and you wonder why I start going on. Take what you will of it, that's my wattage on average for the run I did, if it's shite it's shite, no need for the attitude against me though.0 -
freehub wrote:Pokerface wrote::roll:
What's with the attitude? It's what really annoys me about these forums, 90% knobs. All I did is post my wattage for a run and it did not seem wrong going by the OP of this thread. And all I get is comments with attitude, and you wonder why I start going on. Take what you will of it, that's my wattage on average for the run I did, if it's shite it's shite, no need for the attitude against me though.
If you've gone to the expense of buying a power meter you really should want to learn how to make the most out of it. A good start would be getting hold of Racing and Training with a Power Meter by Allen and Coggan - it'll tell you all about FTP and how to find out what your FTP is (without spending an hour flat out on your turbo).More problems but still living....0 -
I don't have a power meter.0
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freehub wrote:I don't have a power meter.
So how are you measuring power? :?More problems but still living....0 -
A coach has a power meter, I think he knows what he's doing, at the moment I'm just having fun, week after next is when it gets serious.0
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Fair enough, but it wouldn't do any harm to at least learn a little bit about training with power.More problems but still living....0
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freehub wrote:Pokerface wrote::roll:
What's with the attitude? It's what really annoys me about these forums, 90% knobs. All I did is post my wattage for a run and it did not seem wrong going by the OP of this thread. And all I get is comments with attitude, and you wonder why I start going on. Take what you will of it, that's my wattage on average for the run I did, if it's shite it's shite, no need for the attitude against me though.
OK, let's see...
You posted in a thread about power, FTP (Functional Threshold Power) and Watts per KG. You don't know what FTP is or how to calculate it or how to calculate your W/Kg. And you're calling ME a knob? Nice one.
This isn't a thread about training runs, etc. It's about power numbers, based on FTP. I'm not :roll: based on your stats. I'm :roll: based on the fact you're posting in a thread about FTP and then realize you don't even know what FTP is or how to calculate it (and incidentally you don't need to actually ride flat out for a full hour to do it).
A quick search of the forum will explain what FTP is - but essentially it is the maximum average sustainable power you can maintain for one hour. But you can get a pretty good idea of what it is by doing two 20 minute intervals (with 5-10 mins rest in between). Would be ABOUT 95% of the average of those intervals.0 -
Pokerface wrote:freehub wrote:Pokerface wrote::roll:
What's with the attitude? It's what really annoys me about these forums, 90% knobs. All I did is post my wattage for a run and it did not seem wrong going by the OP of this thread. And all I get is comments with attitude, and you wonder why I start going on. Take what you will of it, that's my wattage on average for the run I did, if it's shite it's shite, no need for the attitude against me though.
OK, let's see...
You posted in a thread about power, FTP (Functional Threshold Power) and Watts per KG. You don't know what FTP is or how to calculate it or how to calculate your W/Kg. And you're calling ME a knob? Nice one.
This isn't a thread about training runs, etc. It's about power numbers, based on FTP. I'm not :roll: based on your stats. I'm :roll: based on the fact you're posting in a thread about FTP and then realize you don't even know what FTP is or how to calculate it (and incidentally you don't need to actually ride flat out for a full hour to do it).
A quick search of the forum will explain what FTP is - but essentially it is the maximum average sustainable power you can maintain for one hour. But you can get a pretty good idea of what it is by doing two 20 minute intervals (with 5-10 mins rest in between). Would be ABOUT 95% of the average of those intervals.
he's just a kid..."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
freehub wrote:A coach has a power meter, I think he knows what he's doing, at the moment I'm just having fun, week after next is when it gets serious.
get your coach to run some tests... if he doesn't know how?
I know next to nothing about this power stuff... i was tested by a BCF geezer"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Will, I wasn't having a go, all I was saying is that your current numbers are irrelevant to this thread. So don't be ar8ed if they are low in comparison to some of the others.
I know who you are being coached by, he knows what he's doing and what the numbers mean, just stick with what you're doing and you'll see the improvements you're after.0 -
Bhima wrote:All rollers are different. Mine have barely any resistance, so I can get up to 75kph spinning pretty fast on the top gear for about 5 seconds max. I've got to 90km/h in my fastest sprint before.
Not to be pedantic, but if you're on rollers, your speed is zero. You're not going anywhere. 0 -
Hi guys.
Can you tell me what actual protocol you guys are using here?
I'm planning to borrow a power tap this week and see what the numbers look like.
Cheers, Andy0 -
Mine's my average race power (not normalised) for between 50min to 1hr using a powertap.
Got very little training data to compare with race power at the moment.Jeff Jones
Product manager, Sports0 -
My FTP is currently at 235watts,
My recent CP20 test showed a 17 watt improvement since December and i'm now only 2 watts under my peak last season.0 -
andrewgturnbull wrote:Hi guys.
Can you tell me what actual protocol you guys are using here?
I'm planning to borrow a power tap this week and see what the numbers look like.
Cheers, Andy
I just add 12 watts to whatever Jeff Jones uses...
Actually, I do the field test from the Training and Racing with a Powermeter book, then reassess it if I get a higher figure from a ride.0 -
NapoleonD wrote:andrewgturnbull wrote:Hi guys.
Can you tell me what actual protocol you guys are using here?
I'm planning to borrow a power tap this week and see what the numbers look like.
Cheers, Andy
I just add 12 watts to whatever Jeff Jones uses...
Actually, I do the field test from the Training and Racing with a Powermeter book, then reassess it if I get a higher figure from a ride.
Yup - I've got that book, the one with the triathlete on the front cover?
The field test is basically just warm up and ride 20 mins flat out? I can have a blast on my local 10 course, but I'm thinking that it will be hard to raise my motivation to race levels...
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Did another 20 tonight.
310 watts
71.5 KG
4.33 w/kg
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Pretty good, but is that your FTP or was that wattage just for 20 minutes? Apologies if you've already adjusted to get an FTP figure.
FWIW I did another one hour test last week and I've improved by a whole 2W up to a mighty 269W - wasn't happy afterwards!
Best effort for a 20 minute interval is up to 288 which is a bit better, but I can still only hold 300W for 4 or 5 minutes. Might start some shorter harder intervals soon, as 2x20's don't seem to be working that well.0 -
Oh my... Finally managed to do a hard 10 minute effort on the road (on my favourite climb using a mate's bike) and the power numbers are sooooooo far ahead of my rollers numbers. :shock:
Now I know what you all mean by not being able to produce the same wattage indoors. I really can't understand how this is though, as my best 10 minute effort indoors really could not be better (I was on the verge of passing out, fell off the rollers and crashed afterwards, etc).
Can't wait to try a full hour on the road, but it'll be hard unless I can find a quiet loop somewhere...0 -
Bhima wrote:Oh my... Finally managed to do a hard 10 minute effort on the road (on my favourite climb using a mate's bike) and the power numbers are sooooooo far ahead of my rollers numbers. :shock:
Now I know what you all mean by not being able to produce the same wattage indoors. I really can't understand how this is though, as my best 10 minute effort indoors really could not be better (I was on the verge of passing out, fell off the rollers and crashed afterwards, etc).
Can't wait to try a full hour on the road, but it'll be hard unless I can find a quiet loop somewhere...
That's because:
A. you don't get enough resistance on rollers to produce higher wattages and
B. faster cadence does NOT always equal higher power.0 -
The speeds I do outside indicate that I sustain probs the same amount of power as I do on the turbo, but on the turbo I seem to feel more taxed, also, yesterday I average 287W with this guy on the other one next to me, but today I only averaged 187W, I know I'd be able to have done like 220 but I was doing 2up with the lass next to me, but I felt like I was pushing as hard and I'm certainly not tired out.
The only explanation I can think of is those turbos fcuk with the mind.0 -
Bhima wrote:Oh my... Finally managed to do a hard 10 minute effort on the road (on my favourite climb using a mate's bike) and the power numbers are sooooooo far ahead of my rollers numbers. :shock:
What were they? I thought you were already doing 400 odd watts on the rollers?Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/0 -
andrewgturnbull wrote:NapoleonD wrote:andrewgturnbull wrote:Hi guys.
Can you tell me what actual protocol you guys are using here?
I'm planning to borrow a power tap this week and see what the numbers look like.
Cheers, Andy
I just add 12 watts to whatever Jeff Jones uses...
Actually, I do the field test from the Training and Racing with a Powermeter book, then reassess it if I get a higher figure from a ride.
Yup - I've got that book, the one with the triathlete on the front cover?
The field test is basically just warm up and ride 20 mins flat out? I can have a blast on my local 10 course, but I'm thinking that it will be hard to raise my motivation to race levels...
Cheers, Andy
You do a 5 minute all out before the 20 min effort...0
