Big fat winter power training thread

58585

How about a training progress thread based on power?
LT W/kg each month through to spring. Not really fussed how people are testing, no prizes here so just keep it consistent!
Name-SeptW/kg-OctW/kg-NovW/kg-DecW/kg-JanW/kg-FebW/kg-MarW/kg
58585-4.1

Anonymous

58585 - Sept 4.1
NapD - Sept 2.3

chrisw12

Let's leave the weight bit, I intend to bulk up in the winter, fat is good for keeping in the warmth :roll:

My big aim for this winter is to increase ftp and increase short term power. On the profiling chart in wko I have the same 1min p/w as an untrained girl :oops:


and what do you mean by LT?

Anonymous

chrisw12 wrote:

Let's leave the weight bit, I intend to bulk up in the winter, fat is good for keeping in the warmth :roll:

My big aim for this winter is to increase ftp and increase short term power. On the profiling chart in wko I have the same 1min p/w as an untrained girl :oops:


and what do you mean by LT?

I assume Functional Threshold Power...

phil s

Phil S - Sept 4.1 (this is just my best 60min figure, haven't been riding hard though)
58585 - Sept 4.1
NapD - Sept 2.3

Alex_Simmons/RST

chrisw12 wrote:

On the profiling chart in wko I have the same 1min p/w as an untrained girl :oops:

Have you actually done a full bore 1-min effort though?

If you haven't then the chart only shows what you've done (or what the meter reports) and not what you are necessarily capable of.

1-min power test requires a dedicated single all out maximal effort on a day you are not overly fatigued (fresher the better).

nmcgann

chrisw12 wrote:

Let's leave the weight bit, I intend to bulk up in the winter, fat is good for keeping in the warmth :roll:

My big aim for this winter is to increase ftp and increase short term power. On the profiling chart in wko I have the same 1min p/w as an untrained girl :oops:

and what do you mean by LT?

I've not seen a visible bar on the 1min graph yet - I guess that means I'm below "untrained"

Anonymous

nmcgann wrote:

chrisw12 wrote:

Let's leave the weight bit, I intend to bulk up in the winter, fat is good for keeping in the warmth :roll:

My big aim for this winter is to increase ftp and increase short term power. On the profiling chart in wko I have the same 1min p/w as an untrained girl :oops:

and what do you mean by LT?

I've not seen a visible bar on the 1min graph yet - I guess that means I'm below "untrained"

Or you haven't yet ridden your bike for a minute :shock:

jibberjim

Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:

If you haven't then the chart only shows what you've done (or what the meter reports) and not what you are necessarily capable of.

No, the chart doesn't even show that, it reports the best N minute section regardless of how many stop intervals you have in between that. Unless you never stop or pause your power device whilst riding, or split rides up after breaks, it will likely overstate your numbers.

A bug, that doesn't seem to be being fixed - and barely acknowledged.

guv001

guv001 - Sept 3.7
Phil S - Sept 4.1
58585 - Sept 4.1
NapD - Sept 2.3

chrisw12

jibberjim wrote:

Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:

If you haven't then the chart only shows what you've done (or what the meter reports) and not what you are necessarily capable of.

No, the chart doesn't even show that, it reports the best N minute section regardless of how many stop intervals you have in between that. Unless you never stop or pause your power device whilst riding, or split rides up after breaks, it will likely overstate your numbers.

A bug, that doesn't seem to be being fixed - and barely acknowledged.

:?:

I somehow don't think it is overstating my 1 min power. I very rarely stop during a 1 min interval.

So are you saying I could ride at max for say 10 secs. stop, wait then ride for another 10 sec and repeat until 1 min is up?

I might try this tomorrow.

I might be able to go from untrained girl to world class

jibberjim

chrisw12 wrote:

So are you saying I could ride at max for say 10 secs. stop, wait then ride for another 10 sec and repeat until 1 min is up?

You have to actually STOP the power meter recording for it to happen. Which on 10 second intervals would require you to press it - since no auto-pause systems will do it as you won't slow enough to get it to happen.

Realistically it can only be an issue for the 60minute peak, as you're unlikely to actually pause for any length of time on the shorter durations.

Alex_Simmons/RST

jibberjim wrote:

Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:

If you haven't then the chart only shows what you've done (or what the meter reports) and not what you are necessarily capable of.

No, the chart doesn't even show that, it reports the best N minute section regardless of how many stop intervals you have in between that. Unless you never stop or pause your power device whilst riding, or split rides up after breaks, it will likely overstate your numbers.

A bug, that doesn't seem to be being fixed - and barely acknowledged.

Yes, that's correct but as has been pointed out, it's more of an issue with longer duration efforts.

But yes, mean max power charts are often polluted with such examples (especially for the track riders I coach) and it's a PITA for a coach when tracking performance.

inseine

To continue the trend.....

inseine - 4.1

Tom Butcher

LT Watts is measured how - average watts over an hour ?

guv001

Can someone confirm the following - As we move into a base period intensity will drop slightly, surely this will lead to a slight drop in Power/weight ratio as we don't bang out the bigger wattage rides.

Alex_Simmons/RST

guv001 wrote:

Can someone confirm the following - As we move into a base period intensity will drop slightly, surely this will lead to a slight drop in Power/weight ratio as we don't bang out the bigger wattage rides.

What are we confirming/refuting? Is that quote form something/someone - what is the context?

guv001

Alex, that is not a quote but a question perhaps phrased wrongly. If I stop doing high intensity intervals etc and do loads of level 2 riding will this have an adverse effect on my P2W ratio as I lose a little power and speed. Then in Spring when I start adding more intensive training my speed and power will improve and along with it my P2W ratio.

Thanks

Bhima

Might be borrowing some power equipment over the winter, so i'll get back to you.

However, I have a question -

I went out today with an Elite-level racer and did a hilly ride. She knows her power/weight ratio and had a powermeter with her on the ride. If next time we go out, we both time ourselves up a hill, in almost identical conditions*, then weigh ourselves & equipment afterwards**, is there any way I could somehow estimate my power/weight ratio, by looking at her data and comparing our times? How accurate would such an estimation be?

*No drafting, same line up the hill, same tyres, seated climbing only at maximum intensity possible.

**Someone who lives on the hill has scales we can use to weigh ourselves right there and then.

doyler78

Bhima wrote:

Might be borrowing some power equipment over the winter, so i'll get back to you.

However, I have a question -

I went out today with an Elite-level racer and did a hilly ride. She knows her power/weight ratio and had a powermeter with her on the ride. If next time we go out, we both time ourselves up a hill, in almost identical conditions*, then weigh ourselves & equipment afterwards**, is there any way I could somehow estimate my power/weight ratio, by looking at her data and comparing our times? How accurate would such an estimation be?

*No drafting, same line up the hill, same tyres, seated climbing only at maximum intensity possible.

**Someone who lives on the hill has scales we can use to weigh ourselves right there and then.

Would it not be easier just to borrow her wheel for you ascent assuming she has a powertap? Just drop the computer in a jersey pocket as you won't know what it is telling you anyway.

Bhima

It's an SRM system, so I can't just swap stuff. My bike is a lot different (and bigger) so swapping bikes & shoes would not really be a true test of what I can do on my own bike. I feel that the drop in power i'd get on her bike (which I have ridden - it feels impossible to get used to) would be more inaccurate a measurement than doing it on my own bike and using her ascent figures...

doyler78

Bhima wrote:

It's an SRM system, so I can't just swap stuff. My bike is a lot different (and bigger) so swapping bikes & shoes would not really be a true test of what I can do on my own bike. I feel that the drop in power i'd get on her bike (which I have ridden - it feels impossible to get used to) would be more inaccurate a measurement than doing it on my own bike and using her ascent figures...

I would never suggest riding anyone else's bike. If she had had a powertap and the same groupset manufacturer as you then it would only be a change of wheel that would have been required.

Bhima

Where's Alex Simmons when you need him? We're going out again tomorrow... Maybe we'd just be wasting time trying this... :!:

He's probably in another thread de-bunking yet more fat-burning myths or something.

Jeff Jones

Being Australian based, he's probably asleep

If you compared on a really steep hill where you were both going flat out then I guess you could scale her power/weight to figure out yours. It'd be a ballpark estimate because you don't know your CdA (drag coefficient x frontal area). And it'd only be applicable for that length of time, not an hour.

chrisw12

guv001 wrote:

Can someone confirm the following - As we move into a base period intensity will drop slightly, surely this will lead to a slight drop in Power/weight ratio as we don't bang out the bigger wattage rides.

Unfortunately I think a slight drop will be inevitable. For me at them moment I'm able to hit the big climbs and do some real quality ftp training. However when the bad weather and the temperature drops then hard training will be more difficult to achieve.

That's the realist in me, however the optimist is going to try to improve ftp over the winter, I regard this as building a 'base'

shockedsoshocked

Bhima wrote:

Might be borrowing some power equipment over the winter, so i'll get back to you.

However, I have a question -

I went out today with an Elite-level racer and did a hilly ride. She knows her power/weight ratio and had a powermeter with her on the ride. If next time we go out, we both time ourselves up a hill, in almost identical conditions*, then weigh ourselves & equipment afterwards**, is there any way I could somehow estimate my power/weight ratio, by looking at her data and comparing our times? How accurate would such an estimation be?

*No drafting, same line up the hill, same tyres, seated climbing only at maximum intensity possible.

**Someone who lives on the hill has scales we can use to weigh ourselves right there and then.

If you haven't got any power measuring equipment yet, why don't you stop worrying and go ride your bike?

Bhima

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

If you haven't got any power measuring equipment yet, why don't you stop worrying and go ride your bike?

Cos' i'm dying to know what my numbers are!

You're right; i'll just wait.

Bhima

4.797 W/Kg

shockedsoshocked

Bhima wrote:

4.797 W/Kg

Is this your power to weight? How did you get the numbers?

doyler78

Bhima wrote:

4.797 W/Kg

Are you sure?

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/ ... iling.aspx

Cat 1/2 rider :roll:

I think your estimates based off your mates power meter have some inaccuracies in them (assuming that's what you done from your previous post in this thread)

chrisw12

Bhima wrote:

4.797 W/Kg

How predictatable. :roll:

Who'd have guessed that Bhima would (make up) the highest figure on this thread.