Big fat winter power training thread

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Pokerface wrote:
    Finding a road to do a full hour without stopping or encountering downhill stretches is more challenging than actually doing a full hour at FTP!

    There is always the Turbo...
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    58585
    Oct
    4.1w/kg
    Alex_Simmons/RST --- Sep -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
    Oct -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
    Nov -- 300watts -- 78kg -- 3.8 w/kg
    Bhima
    Oct -- 278watts -- 58kg -- 4.8 w/kg
    Bronzie
    Dec -- 260watts -- 74kg -- 3.5 w/kg
    Jan -- 250watts -- 75kg -- 3.3 w/kg
    Disgruntledgoat
    Nov -- 332watts -- 76kg -- 4.4 w/kg
    Jeff Jones
    Oct -- 320watts -- 69kg -- 4.6 w/kg
    JibberJim
    Nov -- 295watts -- 75kg -- 3.9 w/kg
    Dec -- 300watts -- 75kg -- 4.0 w/kg
    NapD -
    Sept 220 watts -- 96kg -- 2.3 w/kg
    Nov---277watts--89kg--3.1 w/kg
    Phil S
    Oct -- 305watts -- 71kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    Rokkala
    Nov -- 312watts -- 73kg -- 4.3 w/kg
  • phil s
    phil s Posts: 1,128
    I've had December wiped out by illness... no new numbers for me :cry:
    -- Dirk Hofman Motorhomes --
  • Edwin
    Edwin Posts: 785
    Is anyone updating this thread for January? I only got my Powertap just before Christmas, and got round to doing my first full hour tonight. It was fairly horrible.
    Clocked 267 Watts, currently 67kg ~ 3.99W/kg.

    Ed
  • Bhima
    Bhima Posts: 2,145
    Well, no numbers but i've got fatter and not trained at all over this past 6 weeks of hibernation, yet I got up my favourite climb today in record time, so i've got no idea what the heck is going on... :?
  • Slimbods
    Slimbods Posts: 321
    Tailwind? :)
  • nickd01
    nickd01 Posts: 66
    jibberjim wrote:
    JibberJim
    Nov -- 295watts -- 75kg -- 3.9 w/kg
    Dec -- 300watts -- 75kg -- 4.0 w/kg
    Bhima
    Oct -- 278watts -- 58kg -- 4.8 w/kg
    Alex_Simmons/RST --- Sep -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
    Oct -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
    Nov -- 300watts -- 78kg -- 3.8 w/kg
    Phil S
    Oct -- 305watts -- 71kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    Disgruntledgoat
    Nov -- 332watts -- 76kg -- 4.4 w/kg
    NapD -
    Sept 220 watts -- 96kg -- 2.3 w/kg
    Nov---277watts--89kg--3.1 w/kg
    NickD
    Jan---235watts--73kg--3.2 w/kg

    My first entry, thought I'd contribute. I need to ramp this ratio up a fair bit in order to do a good showing at La Marmotte this year. I'll hopefully loose a couple of kg's and obviously increase FTP as well!
  • Bhima wrote:
    Well, no numbers but i've got fatter and not trained at all over this past 6 weeks of hibernation, yet I got up my favourite climb today in record time, so i've got no idea what the heck is going on... :?

    Keep not training and get fatter. Clearly it works :lol:
    "A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"

    PTP Runner Up 2015
  • Bhima
    Bhima Posts: 2,145
    285w for 30 minutes in the Velodrome on a Quark-fitted bike the other night. Very steady effort/cadence for the duration. I reckon it was probably a good pace for 1 hour, although a bit conservative to be considered the highest 30-minute pace. No idea on current weight.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Bhima wrote:
    285w for 30 minutes in the Velodrome on a Quark-fitted bike the other night. Very steady effort/cadence for the duration. I reckon it was probably a good pace for 1 hour, although a bit conservative to be considered the highest 30-minute pace. No idea on current weight.

    Bhima, you need to be racing.
  • sheffsimon
    sheffsimon Posts: 1,282
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Bhima wrote:
    285w for 30 minutes in the Velodrome on a Quark-fitted bike the other night. Very steady effort/cadence for the duration. I reckon it was probably a good pace for 1 hour, although a bit conservative to be considered the highest 30-minute pace. No idea on current weight.

    Bhima, you need to be racing.

    At 58kg you need to be eating :wink:
  • Big step forward this month after stepping up the intensity...

    74kg

    346w

    4.67 W/KG

    Bring on the season.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Murr X
    Murr X Posts: 258
    Big step forward this month after stepping up the intensity...

    74kg

    346w

    4.67 W/KG

    Bring on the season.
    That is a very solid FTP power. How much more do you reckon you will gain this year and how much weight do you guess you could lose?

    360W at 72Kg puts you right at 5W/Kg which at your weight is excellent.

    Murr X
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Big step forward this month after stepping up the intensity...

    74kg

    346w

    4.67 W/KG

    Bring on the season.

    Nice.

    What Cat are you?
  • Still 12w less than you though eh Nap? :wink:

    Racing at 3rd cat this year. Was a 2nd many years ago, and had my last decent season in 2006 when I weighed 68kg. I've always known I've had the legs for that level, its my head that let's me down (see my mental side of racing thread).

    Think I can get down to 70-72kg this year, I know I'm more muscular than I was back then, but I'm climbing alright now... just imagine shifting 2kg though!
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Scary stuff.

    Road racing has to have the hardest entry level to any sport, surely?
  • sheffsimon
    sheffsimon Posts: 1,282
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Scary stuff.

    Road racing has to have the hardest entry level to any sport, surely?

    +1 - physically and financially.
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    58585
    Oct
    4.1w/kg
    Alex_Simmons/RST --- Sep -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
    Oct -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
    Nov -- 300watts -- 78kg -- 3.8 w/kg
    Bhima
    Oct -- 278watts -- 58kg -- 4.8 w/kg
    Bronzie
    Dec -- 260watts -- 74kg -- 3.5 w/kg
    Jan -- 250watts -- 75kg -- 3.3 w/kg
    Disgruntledgoat
    Nov -- 332watts -- 76kg -- 4.4 w/kg
    Jeff Jones
    Oct -- 320watts -- 69kg -- 4.6 w/kg
    JibberJim
    Nov -- 295watts -- 75kg -- 3.9 w/kg
    Dec -- 300watts -- 75kg -- 4.0 w/kg
    NapD -
    Sept 220 watts -- 96kg -- 2.3 w/kg
    Nov---277watts--89kg--3.1 w/kg
    Phil S
    Oct -- 305watts -- 71kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    Rokkala
    Nov -- 312watts -- 73kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    hopper1
    Feb---220watts---76kg
    2.89 w/kg

    Still more weight to lose.... :oops:
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • Alex_Simmons/RST --- Sep -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
    Oct -- 280watts -- 78kg -- 3.6 w/kg
    Nov -- 300watts -- 78kg -- 3.8 w/kg
    Bhima
    Oct -- 278watts -- 58kg -- 4.8 w/kg
    Bronzie
    Dec -- 260watts -- 74kg -- 3.5 w/kg
    Jan -- 250watts -- 75kg -- 3.3 w/kg
    Disgruntledgoat
    Nov -- 332watts -- 76kg -- 4.4 w/kg
    Jeff Jones
    Oct -- 320watts -- 69kg -- 4.6 w/kg
    JibberJim
    Nov -- 295watts -- 75kg -- 3.9 w/kg
    Dec -- 300watts -- 75kg -- 4.0 w/kg
    NapD -
    Sept 220 watts -- 96kg -- 2.3 w/kg
    Nov---277watts--89kg--3.1 w/kg
    Phil S
    Oct -- 305watts -- 71kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    Rokkala
    Nov -- 312watts -- 73kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    hopper1
    Feb---220watts---76kg
    2.89 w/kg
    NickD
    Jan---235watts--73kg--3.2 w/kg
    Feb---255watts--73kg--3.5 w/kg

    Added Feb's numbers (And my Jan number back in!)
    Aiming for 300W for Mid-May and a couple of kg's off the weight to get around 4.2 w/kg.
  • slunker
    slunker Posts: 346
    Just seen this post and I will enter (if allowed :roll: )

    Weight 72kg
    power 300
    4.16 w/kg

    Hoping to add to the power. Don't like losing weight as I do love eating......
  • I hate to brag... But i'm made up with those numbers from last night! I was a gear higher than on the previous few weeks 2x20 efforts and didn't fade towards the end like normal. Proof positive that progressive training with recovery time does work!
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    Proof positive that progressive training with recovery time does work!
    I'd be interested to hear if you are following an "old fashioned" 3 weeks on-1 week off plan or just incorporating rest days as and when you need them.

    Well done on the improvements by the way, very encouraging for you.
  • Bronzie wrote:
    Proof positive that progressive training with recovery time does work!
    I'd be interested to hear if you are following an "old fashioned" 3 weeks on-1 week off plan or just incorporating rest days as and when you need them.

    Well done on the improvements by the way, very encouraging for you.

    Since I started working with Coach Sam, i've been doing 3 or 4 weeks on and 1 one easy week where the miles are reduced by a third to a half. There's still some intensity work in those weeks, but the volume of that is reduced by as much as 2/3.

    in an "on" week i'm riding 5 days, with 3 of those containing intervals at 90% or above of MHR.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • I hate to brag... But i'm made up with those numbers from last night! !

    I bet you are. Great effort; the hard work is obviously paying off.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    edited February 2010
    all this power thing was after my time...

    this is going to be interesting for me at my age... the BCF guy who tested me is around again in 3 months or so and i have no structured training regime these days as i ride for sh!ts and giggles but am quietly confident of substantial changes... I have a good idea how much headroom I have both weight and fitness wise given I have done very little so far this winter

    guess i will see in May.

    i suspect i will be able to get some surprising values i can only maintain for a short period of the year...

    `latest values only in order

    Bhima
    Oct -- 278watts -- 58kg -- 4.8 w/kg
    Jeff Jones
    Oct -- 320watts -- 69kg -- 4.6 w/kg
    Disgruntledgoat
    Nov -- 332watts -- 76kg -- 4.4 w/kg
    Phil S
    Oct -- 305watts -- 71kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    Rokkala
    Nov -- 312watts -- 73kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    JibberJim
    Dec -- 300watts -- 75kg -- 4.0 w/kg
    Alex_Simmons/RST ---- Nov -- 300watts -- 78kg -- 3.8 w/kg
    NickD
    Feb---255watts--73kg--3.5 w/kg
    Bronzie
    Jan -- 250watts -- 75kg -- 3.3 w/kg
    NapD -
    Nov---277watts--89kg--3.1 w/kg
    hopper1
    Feb---220watts---76kg
    2.89 w/kg
    mididoctors
    Feb----223Watts--83kg----2.68 w/kg

    bottom of the heap
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  • Bhima
    Bhima Posts: 2,145
    As well as his scales, I borrowed my mate's SRM bike this morning, set up the position to suit me and did 1 hour on the rollers hard.

    286w / 62kg = 4.6129

    Looks like i've gone backwards due to Christmas! I used my wheels/tyres so I could look at speed also and be able to compare it to December's speeds with little or no error. It turns out my average speed for the hour was lower than what it was in December, so my FTP has probably dropped a bit due to the icy conditions.

    Using the powermeter confirmed that the power/speed relationship of my rollers is very good, up to about 75km/h, where there's a change, probably due to heat buildup. It's sprinting territory anyway, so it doesn't matter.
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    Bhima wrote:
    As well as his scales, I borrowed my mate's SRM bike this morning, set up the position to suit me and did 1 hour on the rollers hard.

    286w / 62kg = 4.6129

    Looks like i've gone backwards due to Christmas! I used my wheels/tyres so I could look at speed also and be able to compare it to December's speeds with little or no error. It turns out my average speed for the hour was lower than what it was in December, so my FTP has probably dropped a bit due to the icy conditions.

    Using the powermeter confirmed that the power/speed relationship of my rollers is very good, up to about 75km/h, where there's a change, probably due to heat buildup. It's sprinting territory anyway, so it doesn't matter.

    I don't think your FTP has dropped, 286w is greater than 278w. Your kg/w has lowered because your weight has increased.
    Are you saying you did 75 kilometres per hour on your rollers?
    I doubt the change was due to heat... Probably due to the depth of bullsh1t you were riding in :shock:
    :wink:
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • According to the power curve on my kurt kinetic, 75kph is 2183watts. :?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Bhima
    Bhima Posts: 2,145
    Yeah, I know it's a higher FTP, but judging by speed alone, it's dropped since December. The other figure was from October I think.

    All rollers are different. Mine have barely any resistance, so I can get up to 75kph spinning pretty fast on the top gear for about 5 seconds max. I've got to 90km/h in my fastest sprint before.
  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    Bhima
    Oct -- 278watts -- 58kg -- 4.8 w/kg
    Jeff Jones
    Oct -- 320watts -- 69kg -- 4.6 w/kg
    Disgruntledgoat
    Nov -- 332watts -- 76kg -- 4.4 w/kg
    Phil S
    Oct -- 305watts -- 71kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    Rokkala
    Nov -- 312watts -- 73kg -- 4.3 w/kg
    JibberJim
    Feb -- 310watts -- 74kg -- 4.2 w/kg
    Alex_Simmons/RST ---- Nov -- 300watts -- 78kg -- 3.8 w/kg
    NickD
    Feb---255watts--73kg--3.5 w/kg
    Bronzie
    Jan -- 250watts -- 75kg -- 3.3 w/kg
    NapD -
    Nov---277watts--89kg--3.1 w/kg
    hopper1
    Feb---220watts---76kg
    2.89 w/kg
    mididoctors
    Feb----223Watts--83kg----2.68 w/kg
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