Glasgow Worlds 2023 *spoiler thread*
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This...bobmcstuff said:
I think it would be really really hard to televise well as you couldn't have a camera alongside for most of it. Maybe with smart use of drones you could televise parts of it, but even then a lot of those trails have heavy tree cover. There were some road/fireroad linking sections you could have camera bikes alongside.tailwindhome said:
Was the MTB marathon televised? I can find coverage on Iplayer?ddraver said:We forget that although we're not interested in te hings like MTB Marathon or bike football, for the people that are these races are very important...
It's not like the XC which is on a compact course so you can use a network of fixed cameras.
(And let's be honest it's a rather niche version of the sport these days. Not so long ago you'd have the top XCOers doing both but as XCO has, rightly, become shorter and more technical I think the differences are too great to compete for both. I'm sure a young PFP has a smattering of "doubles" for example)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Conversely, I went for a ride to Fife right after watching the start in Edinburgh, and the roads were the nicest they've been in ages. No parked cars by the side, either. Only got busy once I made it to Kincardine bridge.rick_chasey said:OK I am now watching from 170km to go.
Already seen about 5 parked cars on the course. WTF. This is the worlds.
Quite surprised, given some councils left the roadworks for literally the week of the event. The A90 in Edinburgh had a 50 m stretch completely opeen with less than a week to go. Morons.
By contrast, Orioko benta (climbed in TdF stage 3) had pretty much a full resurfacing in February. I get the temperatures are not the same, and that the A90 out of Edinburgh is damn busy all the time, but FFS, that road's been on patchwork repair programs for the last 3 years that have done nothing to improve it.0 -
I think you'd struggle to find anyone who says he's the best in the world this year, but for 12 months ending with TDF in 2021, he'd be decent shout for it. That's time for you.RichN95. said:
I'm not having a pop at him. He's probably the best domestique in the world. But for someone who is frequently sold to us as the best bike rider in the world, or at least one of the galacticos, he doesn't win many big races.kingstongraham said:
Clearly mvdp is on top in the races he wins,but don't let's have a pop at van aert like he's not a great rider too.
The cycling fraternity have somehow become obsessed with an ability to contend a variety of races rather than win lots of a certain type.
MVDP is definitely the best leadout rider in the world this year as well as being far and away the best "short climb" one day rider.0 -
Not really, it's a statement of fact. One is among the top professional riders in the world and the other isn't. Even on the track there is a gulf in their palmares. Did anyone seriously think Dan could run Ganna that close in a World's pursuit final?r0bh said:1 -
Apparently Pogacar was helped from the mixed zone after complaining of dizzinessrick_chasey said:
Which could have been exhaustion or just all those corners“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!3 -
I thought 10 laps of the finishing circuit was maybe too many. I think I may have preferred 60k more country with more climbing and 6 laps
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Have you come across Rick?kingstongraham said:
I think you'd struggle to find anyone who says he's the best in the world this year, but for 12 months ending with TDF in 2021, he'd be decent shout for it. That's time for you.
He did win the flat cobbled one, but not the one with the short climbs.kingstongraham said:
MVDP is definitely the best leadout rider in the world this year as well as being far and away the best "short climb" one day rider.
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I'm at 126km to go and it's basically doing 3, 50km crits back-to-back having already ridden 130km.tailwindhome said:I thought 10 laps of the finishing circuit was maybe too many. I think I may have preferred 60k more country with more climbing and 6 laps
It's just strung out in one big line and no-one can move up or down without dive bombing because there's a corner every 20 seconds.0 -
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(I'm going to risk putting my head above the parapet here, but if you know the result already, I think 170 is far too far. All you need is the last 2 laps to see how the finish played out. I would feel free to use liberal amounts of the +15s button if I were you...)rick_chasey said:
I'm at 126km to go and it's basically doing 3, 50km crits back-to-back having already ridden 130km.tailwindhome said:I thought 10 laps of the finishing circuit was maybe too many. I think I may have preferred 60k more country with more climbing and 6 laps
It's just strung out in one big line and no-one can move up or down without dive bombing because there's a corner every 20 seconds.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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You can move up fine, you just need to do it on a climb. Plenty of them about.rick_chasey said:
I'm at 126km to go and it's basically doing 3, 50km crits back-to-back having already ridden 130km.tailwindhome said:I thought 10 laps of the finishing circuit was maybe too many. I think I may have preferred 60k more country with more climbing and 6 laps
It's just strung out in one big line and no-one can move up or down without dive bombing because there's a corner every 20 seconds.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
What a day yesterday. I'm still buzzing tbh.
It's been nice reading through the thread and seeing that everyone thought it was a crackin' race. Think if there'd been some "boring/predictable" comments it would have soured the taste a little. I've seen some armchair critics moaning online about Glasgow being an unglamorous location - fuck em!
Such a trip for me. Even the week before seeing pros recon the route had me excited.
Rode up Carron Valley with a mate in the morning, had a wee beer waiting for the race to come past. Don't think I actually "saw" anyone if you know what I mean? Too fast!
Into Glasgow for the circuits. Happened to be crossing at the finish line just as Sagan abandoned. Strolled past a miserable looking Patrick Lefevre about 5mins later. Into the Pot Still for a pint and some good vibes between Belgians, Dutch and maybe some Italians? Great to see some Eritreans out on the streets too.
Parked up at the foot of Scott Street and the atmosphere was excellent. Was only at this point with 4/5 laps to go I got a sense of what was actually going on in the race. Didn't know MvdP had attacked till he came flying past with a 10s gap on the penultimate lap. Place went nuts! Very happy with the result.
Plan to watch the full race (or at least from Falkirk onwards) at some point this week and gonna be in Stirling for the TT on Friday.
Glad to hear everyone else out on the circuit had a great time too. And Mad_Malx, you're welcome mate!
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I suppose maybe you're right and 15th, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st isn't far and away the best, but I thought he looked pretty good yesterday.TheBigBean said:
He did win the flat cobbled one, but not the one with the short climbs.kingstongraham said:
MVDP is definitely the best leadout rider in the world this year as well as being far and away the best "short climb" one day rider.0 -
Dunno why everyone's whining about the road surface. Belgium's full of cobbles that they've not bothered to resurface yet and people can't wait to mythologize it.
We just need to find a fancy continental name for pot holes, basically.2 -
ok I'm at 65km to go and I've seen as much of WvA as I have any other rider.
Meanwhile, MvdP is always buried somewhere in the group.
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(unrelated) this course reminds me a lot of Harrogate.0 -
Bettiol's race was really turned on his head when Trentin crashed out. Was riding for him really wasn't he?
Very strong on the day.1 -
Nids-de-poule has a nice ring to it, literally means nest of chicken.Lanterne_Rogue said:Dunno why everyone's whining about the road surface. Belgium's full of cobbles that they've not bothered to resurface yet and people can't wait to mythologize it.
We just need to find a fancy continental name for pot holes, basically.2 -
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Please tell me that's a genuine French name for potholes, it's fantasticbobmcstuff said:
Nids-de-poule has a nice ring to it, literally means nest of chicken.Lanterne_Rogue said:Dunno why everyone's whining about the road surface. Belgium's full of cobbles that they've not bothered to resurface yet and people can't wait to mythologize it.
We just need to find a fancy continental name for pot holes, basically.
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It is the colloquial name for potholes in french.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Please tell me that's a genuine French name for potholes, it's fantasticbobmcstuff said:
Nids-de-poule has a nice ring to it, literally means nest of chicken.Lanterne_Rogue said:Dunno why everyone's whining about the road surface. Belgium's full of cobbles that they've not bothered to resurface yet and people can't wait to mythologize it.
We just need to find a fancy continental name for pot holes, basically.
Some say that the term originated because when roads were just earthen, and depressions in the road surface common, chickens would use depressions as nests.
But it seems pretty unlikely to me. It's too risky for a chicken to make a nest in a road. Not just because of unobservant carts, horses, and cows coming along, but also as exposed to predators like foxes. By nature chickens make nests in place with loose organic material like in heaps of straw, and/or in secluded locations like under bushes, esp where there are loose fallen leaves.
I think the term really refers to the holes in loose soil which chickens make, or come across and make use of, to wriggle around in and shed their feathers of parasites. Chickens may well have found, and used, suitable holes in earthen roads back then, and been seen in those holes, but nests they weren't, even if people referred to them as such.
And then when roads started to be paved, the term continued to be used for places where bits of surface broke off.2 -
I'm having great fun watching BMX freestyle on delay. Nothing to do with the tricks, I'm just enjoying winding my eldest up by making up random tricks, like the 350 sidestep blancmange.
Oddly it's my refusal to use multiples of 180 that makes them really angry.3 -
People complain about the road surface because roads in scotland are shïte. Except the bit's that's been just fixed. And that'll only last a week or two. And when there are cobbles that one may want to wax lyrical about the council just gives up when fixing them and just slaps a bunch of tar on top. Like Frederick St., in New Town EdinburghLanterne_Rogue said:Dunno why everyone's whining about the road surface. Belgium's full of cobbles that they've not bothered to resurface yet and people can't wait to mythologize it.
We just need to find a fancy continental name for pot holes, basically.0 -
Lots of riders practicing in and around Stirling today, some with team car support.
Climb up to the finish at the castle is going to interesting on a tt bike. big (flat) cobbles will be horrible if it’s at all damp.1 -
All is relative. If you want to degrade yourself to experience really shite roads then pay a visit to south Oxfordshire.drhaggis said:
People complain about the road surface because roads in scotland are shïte.
I had some friends up from there a couple of weeks back and they were well impressed by the road conditions. Finally spotted a pot hole and went 'oh look, just like home' 😉
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The problem is, if WVA doesn't have the stellar lactate clearance rate of the other two, he can't make the race in that same way. By the time he recovers from his attack the others have long recovered and possibly countered him already. It's a genuine conundrum for him similar to a super strong rider who just doesn't have a sprint like Sep Vanmarcke or Stefan Küng, who are often there at the end of races, but can't ever grab the win.Dorset_Boy said:MvdP and Pog make races, they are willing to try things in the hope of winning, and that often pays off.
WvA very, very rarely makes the race, he just follows, and then can't go with the main attack, or gets outsprinted by the likes of MvdP at the end.
On a team level, the danes are also willing to make a race.
Wout is a great all round rider, but he isn't on the same level as the other two in one dayers.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
Ethan Vernon takes the elimination, fun race, though he could probably do without the splinters from a crash earlierWarning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Neutralising the final sprint in the women’s Madison just as GB we’re about to wrap it up having done several laps after the crash seems a bit unfair. Restarting with 9 to go.1
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Very odd decision, they should have neutralised it immediately rather than leave it for several laps until the finishing sprint was underway0
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Restarting with GB at the back too. Good old UCI rulings0
